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Anonymous wrote:So I had a kid enter UVA in 2009. He had a 1970 SAT on the old scale, which I just calculated would be a 1360 on the new scale. He was below the mean on the SAT both then and now by about the same amount.

Why is everybody saying that admissions are so much more competitive now, then? Yes, there are more applications, but the stats for those admitted and enrolling haven't changed all that much.

Yes, the statistics have changed dramatically. The entire world of college admissions has changed in just the last few years, not to mention the eleven years ago. My DD recently graduated. She would not get into UVA today, I am confident. Her GPA and test scores are too low for a white student from NOVA.

If you are applying from NoVA for UVA you need to be in the top ten percent of your class although some college counselors now say top five percent. The 75th percentile GPA of ENROLLED students last fall was a 4.48; median was 4.34 and 25th percentile was a 4.20. ACTs were 34 at the 75th percentile. SAT was 1480 at the 75th percentile. A 1360 would place around the 35th percentile of enrolled students. BUT, the lower percentiles are predominantly used for URMs, low-income, first-generation, unusually talents, athletes, legacies, and other special interest groups. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

you admitted that your son was accepted 12 years ago... how are you so certain that things are not different today or in particular this year when you cannot predict anything? What makes you an expert? Our school (NoVA public) normally has 15 accepted out of about 400.. right now, after EA, we are sitting at 5. FIVE. And I know a kid in the top 5% who got deferred in the ED round with a similar SAT to what you list who is an absolutely awesome well rounded kid with lots of ECs and leadership. My own son got accepted with a 1380 ED but he is top 2% of his class with a 4.6.

Except here's the thing: My 2009 kid was none of those things. He was an UMC white kid with no hooks from a NOVA public. He was in the 35th percentile of enrolled students then, too. So I'm not sure you're right about that. Lots of fear mongering and exaggerations going on.

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Anonymous wrote:If the university is going to eliminate more qualified applicants to yield protect, why even bother calling it EA in the first place?

Why don't they all call it RD and have it in the fall, put a lot of people on the waitlist and allow plenty of time for people to get pulled off waitlists in multiple rounds?

Seems like that would increase the caliber of the applicant pool.

But UVA doesn’t practice yield protection.

Dean J says she wasn’t given that number.

One thing I am struck by is the number of OOS applications. Something like 21,000 versus 7,000 from Virginia.

VA applications are constrained by the number of yearly VA high school graduates, a number that can’t change much unless the state experiences substantial in-migration. However, OOS is the rest of the world; those applications will continue to rise.

Well, yes. But maybe my comment wasn’t clear enough. I am surprised to discover there is this much interest OOS in UVA the way people carry on in this forum that UVA is overrated

Right. The evidence is in: people OOS know about UVA and think it’s a gem. Most of the bashing of UVA on these threads reflects the frustration with getting in and dealing with the excitement of those that do. Of course, that in-state frustration/excitement dynamic also suggests that UVA is a coveted admit. From an objective perspective, how could it not be? You’re getting a Top 25 education, lots of top athletics and school pride, and a nearby location for less than half the price of similarly situated schools.

You mean top 26 education right? UVA hasn’t been top 25 in two years......

If you think these ratings are that precise, you need to study them more. Your comment doesn’t disgrace UVA, but it does demonstrate your pettiness. Grow up.

My comment was just to correct the misconception that UVA is a top 25 school. I’m not the one spouting incorrect rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:So I had a kid enter UVA in 2009. He had a 1970 SAT on the old scale, which I just calculated would be a 1360 on the new scale. He was below the mean on the SAT both then and now by about the same amount.

Why is everybody saying that admissions are so much more competitive now, then? Yes, there are more applications, but the stats for those admitted and enrolling haven't changed all that much.

Yes, the statistics have changed dramatically. The entire world of college admissions has changed in just the last few years, not to mention the eleven years ago. My DD recently graduated. She would not get into UVA today, I am confident. Her GPA and test scores are too low for a white student from NOVA.

If you are applying from NoVA for UVA you need to be in the top ten percent of your class although some college counselors now say top five percent. The 75th percentile GPA of ENROLLED students last fall was a 4.48; median was 4.34 and 25th percentile was a 4.20. ACTs were 34 at the 75th percentile. SAT was 1480 at the 75th percentile. A 1360 would place around the 35th percentile of enrolled students. BUT, the lower percentiles are predominantly used for URMs, low-income, first-generation, unusually talents, athletes, legacies, and other special interest groups. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Except here's the thing: My 2009 kid was none of those things. He was an UMC white kid with no hooks from a NOVA public. He was in the 35th percentile of enrolled students then, too. So I'm not sure you're right about that. Lots of fear mongering and exaggerations going on.

The point is that he wouldn't get in today. He needs a 4.48+ GPA and a 1480+ or a 34+ ACT to get in from NOVA. He needs to have taken the most rigorous courses offered by his public. He needs spectacular ECs. He needs to appear well-rounded. And so on. My 4.1 kid wouldn't get in - but he got in four years ago. If you care enough, you can go to College Confidential and read the thread "UVA 2025 EA" and look at the spectacular resumes of students who were deferred or rejected. That's your true competition now.

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Anonymous wrote:For RD plus deferrals - roughly 20,000 applicants - there are 300 spots. To yield those 300 students, there will be about 750 admits. See the math higher in the thread. Repeating here because people keep asking this question.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

It is really sad that hardworking kids with kids with good stats can’t get into their stat flagship from TJ! I am sure lots of kids and parents are questioning if all those AP classes etc and going to TJ was worth it!

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Anonymous wrote:If the university is going to eliminate more qualified applicants to yield protect, why even bother calling it EA in the first place?

Why don't they all call it RD and have it in the fall, put a lot of people on the waitlist and allow plenty of time for people to get pulled off waitlists in multiple rounds?

Seems like that would increase the caliber of the applicant pool.

But UVA doesn’t practice yield protection.

Dean J says she wasn’t given that number.

One thing I am struck by is the number of OOS applications. Something like 21,000 versus 7,000 from Virginia.

VA applications are constrained by the number of yearly VA high school graduates, a number that can’t change much unless the state experiences substantial in-migration. However, OOS is the rest of the world; those applications will continue to rise.

Well, yes. But maybe my comment wasn’t clear enough. I am surprised to discover there is this much interest OOS in UVA the way people carry on in this forum that UVA is overrated

Right. The evidence is in: people OOS know about UVA and think it’s a gem. Most of the bashing of UVA on these threads reflects the frustration with getting in and dealing with the excitement of those that do. Of course, that in-state frustration/excitement dynamic also suggests that UVA is a coveted admit. From an objective perspective, how could it not be? You’re getting a Top 25 education, lots of top athletics and school pride, and a nearby location for less than half the price of similarly situated schools.

You mean top 26 education right? UVA hasn’t been top 25 in two years......

If you think these ratings are that precise, you need to study them more. Your comment doesn’t disgrace UVA, but it does demonstrate your pettiness. Grow up.

My comment was just to correct the misconception that UVA is a top 25 school. I’m not the one spouting incorrect rankings.

It's no. 4 for public universities. You can't compare private universities and private slacs to publics. Publics have an entirely different mission than privates. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public. It was no. 1 for a no of years, then no. 2 for 27 years. The only reason is has dropped to no. 4 is due to the face that USN&WR now factors in number of Pell grants - which is something UVA has no control over.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

It is really sad that hardworking kids with kids with good stats can’t get into their stat flagship from TJ! I am sure lots of kids and parents are questioning if all those AP classes etc and going to TJ was worth it!

But, I can also point out non-TJ students with 4.4+ GPA, great SAT's, many ApPs, great EC's (including state-wide honors) that were rejected. And yet, my DD, 4.2, 1400 SAT's, meh EC's (4 years of band, but played an instrument that was in demand) got in. This was last year. She turned down UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

It is really sad that hardworking kids with kids with good stats can’t get into their stat flagship from TJ! I am sure lots of kids and parents are questioning if all those AP classes etc and going to TJ was worth it!

Why only TJ? Look, I'm not one who much cares about the back and forth about TJ. My kid doesn't want to go. Maybe couldn't get admitted or maybe could? Doesn't matter, DC isn't planning to apply and I don't care. But . . .

That doesn't mean that kids who go to their "normal" public, perform at a very high level, and may be just as well rounded (if not more so) than TJ kids are any less deserving of a spot at UVA. The ones with similar GPAs also work very hard, take lots of APs, etc.

What a tone deaf, offensive statement.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

It is really sad that hardworking kids with kids with good stats can’t get into their stat flagship from TJ! I am sure lots of kids and parents are questioning if all those AP classes etc and going to TJ was worth it!

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That's why you see nasty swipes at UVA on this board. Many parents don't wake up until junior year and suddenly realize that they haven't saved enough and/or don't have the resources for slacs and other privates. Suddenly they need UVA. Then they learn the types of GPA and test scores needed. Then they learn that Larla needed to have taken 14 APs but didn't. Then they learn about the "most rigorous" box. They learn that they should have been paying attention since middle school and planning. And then when told by the counselor that there's no chance in hell for UVA, they take it out here. Or, if rejected, take potshots at UVA here.

Also, you have to remember that UVA is relatively small (only 3750 incoming class) compared to the other flagships like UCLA and Michigan. That's also why we have William & Mary and Virginia Tech and then the other 38 public colleges and universities in Virginia.

My DD wasn't even a contender. She went to another Virginia school and all is well.

BTW UVA takes more students from TJ every year than Langley, McLean and several other top high schools combined.

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Anonymous wrote:So I had a kid enter UVA in 2009. He had a 1970 SAT on the old scale, which I just calculated would be a 1360 on the new scale. He was below the mean on the SAT both then and now by about the same amount.

Why is everybody saying that admissions are so much more competitive now, then? Yes, there are more applications, but the stats for those admitted and enrolling haven't changed all that much.

Yes, the statistics have changed dramatically. The entire world of college admissions has changed in just the last few years, not to mention the eleven years ago. My DD recently graduated. She would not get into UVA today, I am confident. Her GPA and test scores are too low for a white student from NOVA.

If you are applying from NoVA for UVA you need to be in the top ten percent of your class although some college counselors now say top five percent. The 75th percentile GPA of ENROLLED students last fall was a 4.48; median was 4.34 and 25th percentile was a 4.20. ACTs were 34 at the 75th percentile. SAT was 1480 at the 75th percentile. A 1360 would place around the 35th percentile of enrolled students. BUT, the lower percentiles are predominantly used for URMs, low-income, first-generation, unusually talents, athletes, legacies, and other special interest groups. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Except here's the thing: My 2009 kid was none of those things. He was an UMC white kid with no hooks from a NOVA public. He was in the 35th percentile of enrolled students then, too. So I'm not sure you're right about that. Lots of fear mongering and exaggerations going on.

The point is that he wouldn't get in today. He needs a 4.48+ GPA and a 1480+ or a 34+ ACT to get in from NOVA. He needs to have taken the most rigorous courses offered by his public. He needs spectacular ECs. He needs to appear well-rounded. And so on. My 4.1 kid wouldn't get in - but he got in four years ago. If you care enough, you can go to College Confidential and read the thread "UVA 2025 EA" and look at the spectacular resumes of students who were deferred or rejected. That's your true competition now.

edit: my 4.1 kid wouldnt get into UVA today.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

It is really sad that hardworking kids with kids with good stats can’t get into their stat flagship from TJ! I am sure lots of kids and parents are questioning if all those AP classes etc and going to TJ was worth it!

Why only TJ? Look, I'm not one who much cares about the back and forth about TJ. My kid doesn't want to go. Maybe couldn't get admitted or maybe could? Doesn't matter, DC isn't planning to apply and I don't care. But . . .

That doesn't mean that kids who go to their "normal" public, perform at a very high level, and may be just as well rounded (if not more so) than TJ kids are any less deserving of a spot at UVA. The ones with similar GPAs also work very hard, take lots of APs, etc.

What a tone deaf, offensive statement.

Did not intend to offend anyone. DCUM loves TJ and most parents want their kids to attend TJ. Jus pointed out the fact that since its so hard to get into TJ why bother if you can’t get into UvA? Did not mean to imply nonTJ kids are in anyway inferior or less deserving.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

It is really sad that hardworking kids with kids with good stats can’t get into their stat flagship from TJ! I am sure lots of kids and parents are questioning if all those AP classes etc and going to TJ was worth it!

Why only TJ? Look, I'm not one who much cares about the back and forth about TJ. My kid doesn't want to go. Maybe couldn't get admitted or maybe could? Doesn't matter, DC isn't planning to apply and I don't care. But . . .

That doesn't mean that kids who go to their "normal" public, perform at a very high level, and may be just as well rounded (if not more so) than TJ kids are any less deserving of a spot at UVA. The ones with similar GPAs also work very hard, take lots of APs, etc.

What a tone deaf, offensive statement.

Did not intend to offend anyone. DCUM loves TJ and most parents want their kids to attend TJ. Jus pointed out the fact that since its so hard to get into TJ why bother if you can’t get into UvA? Did not mean to imply nonTJ kids are in anyway inferior or less deserving.

Lol, too many over sensitive and insecure Karens on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:If the university is going to eliminate more qualified applicants to yield protect, why even bother calling it EA in the first place?

Why don't they all call it RD and have it in the fall, put a lot of people on the waitlist and allow plenty of time for people to get pulled off waitlists in multiple rounds?

Seems like that would increase the caliber of the applicant pool.

But UVA doesn’t practice yield protection.

Dean J says she wasn’t given that number.

One thing I am struck by is the number of OOS applications. Something like 21,000 versus 7,000 from Virginia.

VA applications are constrained by the number of yearly VA high school graduates, a number that can’t change much unless the state experiences substantial in-migration. However, OOS is the rest of the world; those applications will continue to rise.

Well, yes. But maybe my comment wasn’t clear enough. I am surprised to discover there is this much interest OOS in UVA the way people carry on in this forum that UVA is overrated

Right. The evidence is in: people OOS know about UVA and think it’s a gem. Most of the bashing of UVA on these threads reflects the frustration with getting in and dealing with the excitement of those that do. Of course, that in-state frustration/excitement dynamic also suggests that UVA is a coveted admit. From an objective perspective, how could it not be? You’re getting a Top 25 education, lots of top athletics and school pride, and a nearby location for less than half the price of similarly situated schools.

You mean top 26 education right? UVA hasn’t been top 25 in two years......

If you think these ratings are that precise, you need to study them more. Your comment doesn’t disgrace UVA, but it does demonstrate your pettiness. Grow up.

My comment was just to correct the misconception that UVA is a top 25 school. I’m not the one spouting incorrect rankings.

It's no. 4 for public universities. You can't compare private universities and private slacs to publics. Publics have an entirely different mission than privates. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public. It was no. 1 for a no of years, then no. 2 for 27 years. The only reason is has dropped to no. 4 is due to the face that USN&WR now factors in number of Pell grants - which is something UVA has no control over.

There are really only 3 top tier public universities. Perhaps USNWR have finally figured out that truly top schools can’t be relatively weak in STEM offerings. UVA is a fine school; but a UCLA, Berkeley, or Michigan it is not.

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I will say, in our LCPS NoVA school, my kids counselor knows full well what it takes to get into UVA and if you are not at least top 10% and probably top 5%, they are letting you know you better not get any hopes up.

This year just seems to be particularly bad. We will all see when its all said and done how it shakes out, but UVA is never a gimme for anyone.

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I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

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48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

It is really sad that hardworking kids with kids with good stats can’t get into their stat flagship from TJ! I am sure lots of kids and parents are questioning if all those AP classes etc and going to TJ was worth it!

Why only TJ? Look, I'm not one who much cares about the back and forth about TJ. My kid doesn't want to go. Maybe couldn't get admitted or maybe could? Doesn't matter, DC isn't planning to apply and I don't care. But . . .

That doesn't mean that kids who go to their "normal" public, perform at a very high level, and may be just as well rounded (if not more so) than TJ kids are any less deserving of a spot at UVA. The ones with similar GPAs also work very hard, take lots of APs, etc.

What a tone deaf, offensive statement.

Did not intend to offend anyone. DCUM loves TJ and most parents want their kids to attend TJ. Jus pointed out the fact that since its so hard to get into TJ why bother if you can’t get into UvA? Did not mean to imply nonTJ kids are in anyway inferior or less deserving.

You are making huge assumptions. I would never want my kid to attend TJ nor would any of my friends. It is a total miserable grind. Lots and lots of Asian immigrant families see TJ as a path into UMC life for their kids. It is something like 70% Asian and very few AA or Hispanic kids. Weird social dynamic.