The lawsuit against Royal Caribbean/toddler death

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he was on some sort of drugs. I'm trying hard to understand and not just jump on the bandwagon, especially due to the tragic circumstances, but it's really hard to imagine anyone thinking that's a good idea. I have three kids including a DD that age and it's just such a strange idea.

I read in Chloe's obituary that while Chloe and her parents/brother were from Indiana, these grandparents live(d) in Michigan. It makes me wonder how often Chloe was really around this grandfather.
I wonder how often, if ever, he was left alone to supervise Chloe. Even in this incident the grandfather was in a common area of the ship with lots of other people around.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how a doting grandfather who regularly watched this little one year old could have made such a grave mistake with a child so precious to him. Not that I'm saying that any adult with an ounce of common sense would have done what he did, you don't need to have childcare experience to know not to dangle a baby out of an 11 story window.

I'm just questioning whether the relationship between Chloe and this grandfather is being mischaracterized to make them seem closer than they really were. And if so, why.

Chloe and her parents lived in South Bend Indiana and the grandfather was from Niles, Michigan. According to google maps its 11 miles between the two cities. Very possible that they saw each other daily.

pp quoting/correcting myself.

The dad was a police officer in South Bend, family lived in Granger, Indiana....also about 11 miles from Niles, MI according to google maps.

Thanks for doing that homework. When I saw that they lived in separate states I assumed that meant that they didn't live near each other. Apparently they were nearby each other and would have had the opportunity to see Chloe often.

He had probably watched Chloe go from a helpless newborn to an inquisitive, active toddler and still held her out an 11 story window, possibly with just one arm around her. Unbelievable.

He underestimated how squirmy and how strong somebody’s babies are.

How does someone who has regularly been around a toddler since the toddler was a newborn not "get" that babies are squirmy and strong? That makes no sense at all to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.

If your husband's dad HAD, in fact, dropped the baby off of a regular boat then someone would have dived in and saved the baby. What your dh's dad did was reckless but it did not mean certain death for the baby even if he had lost his grip on the baby.

Anello chose to hold his beloved granddaughter outside of an 11 story window with ONE arm. That is insane and not something that a normal human being would do, not even a "fun" grandpa.

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Anonymous wrote:I also think that a former prosecutor and a cop would know darned well if this guy had sever executive functioning issues, ADHD or any other problem. This is the man they entrusted their child with.

So they chose to entrust their child to someone who was a dumbass and negligent without any mitigating factors? How does that make them sound any better?

The point is, he had never given them a reason for concern before. He had never been careless with Chloe before. They didn't doubt his judgment at all - yet, look what happened their baby.

. You don’t know that. For all we know he combined alcohol and ambien and Dramamine the night before

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.

I am a man but none of that seems cool or thrilling. The sidewalks around here are thrilling enough with small children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.

I am a man but none of that seems cool or thrilling. The sidewalks around here are thrilling enough with small children.

The way people drive around here, walking from the supermarket to your car is thrilling with small children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he was on some sort of drugs. I'm trying hard to understand and not just jump on the bandwagon, especially due to the tragic circumstances, but it's really hard to imagine anyone thinking that's a good idea. I have three kids including a DD that age and it's just such a strange idea.

I read in Chloe's obituary that while Chloe and her parents/brother were from Indiana, these grandparents live(d) in Michigan. It makes me wonder how often Chloe was really around this grandfather.
I wonder how often, if ever, he was left alone to supervise Chloe. Even in this incident the grandfather was in a common area of the ship with lots of other people around.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how a doting grandfather who regularly watched this little one year old could have made such a grave mistake with a child so precious to him. Not that I'm saying that any adult with an ounce of common sense would have done what he did, you don't need to have childcare experience to know not to dangle a baby out of an 11 story window.

I'm just questioning whether the relationship between Chloe and this grandfather is being mischaracterized to make them seem closer than they really were. And if so, why.

Chloe and her parents lived in South Bend Indiana and the grandfather was from Niles, Michigan. According to google maps its 11 miles between the two cities. Very possible that they saw each other daily.

pp quoting/correcting myself.

The dad was a police officer in South Bend, family lived in Granger, Indiana....also about 11 miles from Niles, MI according to google maps.

Do they let elderly colorblind people drive on public highways?

One more time, the grandfather is 51. This is not "elderly",

[Anonymous]

Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

Mom was nearby and ran over when she heard a commotion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

If I'm remembering correctly, the rest of the family was eating in the nearby cafe. It may be that Chloe got squirmy and the grandfathered agreed to walk around with her while everyone else finished their meal.

[Anonymous]

I do feel badly for Grandpa. I'm sure it wasn't malicious. Its probably not his fault that he's not smart and/or has no common sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

If I'm remembering correctly, the rest of the family was eating in the nearby cafe. It may be that Chloe got squirmy and the grandfathered agreed to walk around with her while everyone else finished their meal.

Ok i can see that happening. I hadn't read that. Man, even if the mom believes grandpa thought the window was closed, I still don't see how she doesn't blame him. If I were her, all I could think about would be the scene where he said, "I'll take her over there!" and changing my response from "thanks" to "that's okay, shes fine here."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

If I'm remembering correctly, the rest of the family was eating in the nearby cafe. It may be that Chloe got squirmy and the grandfathered agreed to walk around with her while everyone else finished their meal.

Ok i can see that happening. I hadn't read that. Man, even if the mom believes grandpa thought the window was closed, I still don't see how she doesn't blame him. If I were her, all I could think about would be the scene where he said, "I'll take her over there!" and changing my response from "thanks" to "that's okay, shes fine here."

I try to give the family the benefit of the doubt that this is what's behind their lawsuit against RC (and their refusal to watch the video). Accepting that RC isn't 100% to blame for the entire incident means acknowledging that Chloe's grandfather killed her, albeit unintentionally. That has such potential to rip their family apart that I think they'll fight acknowledging it as long as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do feel badly for Grandpa. I'm sure it wasn't malicious. Its probably not his fault that he's not smart and/or has no common sense.

Yeah, he works in IT. They don't train you for common sense and IT is generally staffed with idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he was on some sort of drugs. I'm trying hard to understand and not just jump on the bandwagon, especially due to the tragic circumstances, but it's really hard to imagine anyone thinking that's a good idea. I have three kids including a DD that age and it's just such a strange idea.

I read in Chloe's obituary that while Chloe and her parents/brother were from Indiana, these grandparents live(d) in Michigan. It makes me wonder how often Chloe was really around this grandfather.
I wonder how often, if ever, he was left alone to supervise Chloe. Even in this incident the grandfather was in a common area of the ship with lots of other people around.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how a doting grandfather who regularly watched this little one year old could have made such a grave mistake with a child so precious to him. Not that I'm saying that any adult with an ounce of common sense would have done what he did, you don't need to have childcare experience to know not to dangle a baby out of an 11 story window.

I'm just questioning whether the relationship between Chloe and this grandfather is being mischaracterized to make them seem closer than they really were. And if so, why.

Chloe and her parents lived in South Bend Indiana and the grandfather was from Niles, Michigan. According to google maps its 11 miles between the two cities. Very possible that they saw each other daily.

pp quoting/correcting myself.

The dad was a police officer in South Bend, family lived in Granger, Indiana....also about 11 miles from Niles, MI according to google maps.

Do they let elderly colorblind people drive on public highways?

One more time, the grandfather is 51. This is not "elderly",

Yeah, he's got another 30 years before he can run for President.