FCPS Ready to Screw Poorer/GenEd Kids Again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the AAP center and the local level 4 with be more balanced (in numbers) in the future. Maybe not this coming year, but in the next few years. LJ will still have a strong AAP group. But, in stead of LJ having an AAP class of 225 and TMS having a class of 100, LJ's AAP classes might be 175 and TMS might be 150.

I think that is a good thing. 175 is still a very strong class size for a MS AAP grade.

Don't agree. Right now LJ only has 390 in AAP, so that's 195 per grade. I'd expect it to shrink to about 250 in a few years (125 per class).

It will be a weak program within a majority FARMS school sending few kids to TJ and attracting progressively fewer kids. At some point the Thoreau parents will demand that it have formal center status, and there's no reason to think they'd get turned down. Time has shown they get what they want.

Thoreau will get overcrowded and eventually some of those kids will get shifted to Lanier or Hughes.

[Anonymous]

PP, it took almost 2 decades to get moved to the school in our area. Stop the drama.

[Anonymous]

Isn't the base part of LJ already past the "tipping point" that a PP keeps bringing up? I mean, if the current FARMS rate is 43%... we know that the AAP part of the school is not 43% FARMS. So, if that chunk of LJ has fewer FARMS kids, then the base school must have more than 43% FARMS kids in order for the total to be 43% FARMS.

So, those base school kids are already passed the tipping point. TBH, when we were looking for a house, I didn't want a house zoned for LJ (regardless of the HS being Oakton) b/c I had a kid going into MS. While I wasn't too concerned about the AAP side of the house, I was concerned about my non-AAP MS kid and what the school environment would be like for her. I wasn't willing to put her in a school with no friends where 50% or more of the kids were getting FARMS. It might have been o.k., or it might not... but I wasn't willing to take the chance given that she would be coming in knowing no one.

So, I do agree that people look at demographics when buying. I also wasn't willing to buy in Falls Church HS. It wasn't just LJ where the demographics for non-AAP kids were already past the so-called "tipping point".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, it took almost 2 decades to get moved to the school in our area. Stop the drama.

Thoreau is in Dunn Loring, so it's not really in your area. Stop the lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the base part of LJ already past the "tipping point" that a PP keeps bringing up? I mean, if the current FARMS rate is 43%... we know that the AAP part of the school is not 43% FARMS. So, if that chunk of LJ has fewer FARMS kids, then the base school must have more than 43% FARMS kids in order for the total to be 43% FARMS.

So, those base school kids are already passed the tipping point. TBH, when we were looking for a house, I didn't want a house zoned for LJ (regardless of the HS being Oakton) b/c I had a kid going into MS. While I wasn't too concerned about the AAP side of the house, I was concerned about my non-AAP MS kid and what the school environment would be like for her. I wasn't willing to put her in a school with no friends where 50% or more of the kids were getting FARMS. It might have been o.k., or it might not... but I wasn't willing to take the chance given that she would be coming in knowing no one.

So, I do agree that people look at demographics when buying. I also wasn't willing to buy in Falls Church HS. It wasn't just LJ where the demographics for non-AAP kids were already past the so-called "tipping point".

Your analysis proves too much. Some already avoided the area because of the MS/HS demographics, and even more (including those who were OK with a high school with about 50% FARMS so long as their kid could attend a lower FARMS MS with an AAP program) will do so in the future. But Jackson was pretty close to 40% FARMS for a long time, and it's quite likely that it's going to see substantial flight over the next 5-10 years. Again, look at Poe, where after a similar boundary change the FARMS rate went from 52% to 72% in about 7 years.

[Anonymous]

Now both Jackson and Thoreau will be three way split feeders since facilities thinks all the Madison and Oakton bound AAP kids will stay there. How did this ever become a discussion about reducing split feeders?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now both Jackson and Thoreau will be three way split feeders since facilities thinks all the Madison and Oakton bound AAP kids will stay there. How did this ever become a discussion about reducing split feeders?

It’s just some nonsense that lazy School Board members spout when they are Democrats and don’t want to acknowledge publicly that they don’t really care about the poor kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, it took almost 2 decades to get moved to the school in our area. Stop the drama.

Thoreau is in Dunn Loring, so it's not really in your area. Stop the lying.

I drive BY cedar on the way to LJ. Yes, it’s in my area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now both Jackson and Thoreau will be three way split feeders since facilities thinks all the Madison and Oakton bound AAP kids will stay there. How did this ever become a discussion about reducing split feeders?

Because the Oakton Vienna parents were done being cherry picked because of their demographics to up a school that is not close. Gerrymandering should be illegal-it’s sole purpose is to play with numbers. My house value just went up. That’s great for me. I’m now Mosby/Thoreau/Oakton. Yippee!!!

[Anonymous]

How many middle school feeders now are to Oakton?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now both Jackson and Thoreau will be three way split feeders since facilities thinks all the Madison and Oakton bound AAP kids will stay there. How did this ever become a discussion about reducing split feeders?

Because the Oakton Vienna parents were done being cherry picked because of their demographics to up a school that is not close. Gerrymandering should be illegal-it’s sole purpose is to play with numbers. My house value just went up. That’s great for me. I’m now Mosby/Thoreau/Oakton. Yippee!!!

welcome to Thoreau!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the base part of LJ already past the "tipping point" that a PP keeps bringing up? I mean, if the current FARMS rate is 43%... we know that the AAP part of the school is not 43% FARMS. So, if that chunk of LJ has fewer FARMS kids, then the base school must have more than 43% FARMS kids in order for the total to be 43% FARMS.

So, those base school kids are already passed the tipping point. TBH, when we were looking for a house, I didn't want a house zoned for LJ (regardless of the HS being Oakton) b/c I had a kid going into MS. While I wasn't too concerned about the AAP side of the house, I was concerned about my non-AAP MS kid and what the school environment would be like for her. I wasn't willing to put her in a school with no friends where 50% or more of the kids were getting FARMS. It might have been o.k., or it might not... but I wasn't willing to take the chance given that she would be coming in knowing no one.

So, I do agree that people look at demographics when buying. I also wasn't willing to buy in Falls Church HS. It wasn't just LJ where the demographics for non-AAP kids were already past the so-called "tipping point".

Your analysis proves too much. Some already avoided the area because of the MS/HS demographics, and even more (including those who were OK with a high school with about 50% FARMS so long as their kid could attend a lower FARMS MS with an AAP program) will do so in the future. But Jackson was pretty close to 40% FARMS for a long time, and it's quite likely that it's going to see substantial flight over the next 5-10 years. Again, look at Poe, where after a similar boundary change the FARMS rate went from 52% to 72% in about 7 years.

I'm just pointing out that the day to day reality for the kids in the base part of the school was the experience of being past the "tipping point." Yes, to your point, perhaps some buyers weren't aware of that and thought that they were pre-tipping point. So, maybe the housing market wasn't yet seeing LJ as beyond the TP. Some, like me, already saw it for what it was (on the non-AAP side). So, while the housing market may (or may not) make an adjustment, as a practical matter, LJ's base school experience has been past that point. Some people were still willing to buy in that zone and were happy with it.... even if it was past-TP. I think the market may have already "baked in" the post-TP experience for people who did not have AAP kids in the LJ zone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now both Jackson and Thoreau will be three way split feeders since facilities thinks all the Madison and Oakton bound AAP kids will stay there. How did this ever become a discussion about reducing split feeders?

Because the Oakton Vienna parents were done being cherry picked because of their demographics to up a school that is not close. Gerrymandering should be illegal-it’s sole purpose is to play with numbers. My house value just went up. That’s great for me. I’m now Mosby/Thoreau/Oakton. Yippee!!!

welcome to Thoreau!

With an option still to stay at Luther Jackson for AAP. I must have missed where the Mosby parents got up and said they didn't want Jackson as an AAP option anymore. What's another bus though.

[Anonymous]

Yes, of course, AAP at Jackson. But for real purposes, it’s Mosby/Thoreau/Oakton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now both Jackson and Thoreau will be three way split feeders since facilities thinks all the Madison and Oakton bound AAP kids will stay there. How did this ever become a discussion about reducing split feeders?

Because the Oakton Vienna parents were done being cherry picked because of their demographics to up a school that is not close. Gerrymandering should be illegal-it’s sole purpose is to play with numbers. My house value just went up. That’s great for me. I’m now Mosby/Thoreau/Oakton. Yippee!!!

Funny how I haven't seen anyone in gerrymandered high income districts come to the school board to demand they they go to their closest school. Or these parents speak up how they don't need Jackson anymore as an AAP center. Hughes is the closest middle school for the Oakton area anyway. I don't see them clamoring to be redistricted there.