FCPS Ready to Screw Poorer/GenEd Kids Again

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: what do you want them to do instead?

I am in one of the neighborhoods that may move to Thoreau. I am fine with Jackson. Thoreau and Jackson are both far from my house. But Poe is farther and it makes no sense for my kid to go all the way to Poe. So do you want them to move the poorer kids to Poe? That doesn't seem to solve anything either. You are stuck with the fact that location and income are tied.

The neighborhoods closer to Poe (not yours) are wealthier than the rest of Poe. Moving them to Poe, which has more extra space than Thoreau, is a win-win.

You mean inside the Beltway? I guess. They are closer to Jackson than I am, I can see why we would be the logical choice just on location.

It's odd that middle schools are so concentrated around the Beltway, so that much of Vienna and Oakton is not near a middle school.

They are close to Poe and Poe is more under-capacity than Thoreau.

THEY ARE NOT CLOSE TO POE. ARE YOU NUTS??? They just aren’t. Not even close. They are at least a half dozen closer middle schools.

Put zip code 22124 and Poe Middle School into Google Mops. You get

[Anonymous]

Hit send too soon. You get 17 miles and 29 minutes from 22124 to Poe. 5 miles down 66. 5 miles down 495. During rush hour. And then what do they do for high school? That area is walkable or near walkable to Oakton and near walkable to Madison. You want to send them to the Eastern County?

Your snowflake won’t melt if the have to attend school with the 600k townhouse poors.

SMDH. Idiot.

[Anonymous]

The people they are talking about moving are about the same distance from LJMS as TMS. TMS is under enrolled. LJMS is over enrolled. It makes sense to move those kids.

But then you look at the color of skin a SES and decide that these kids are too well off to move. You are the one looking at the color of the skin. Not the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gentle reminder on the poors :

The poors have “poor” habits that make them detrimental to the schools - indolence, criminality, violence, lack of intellectual curiosity. Even the poors themselves do not want to live near the poors. This has been going on since the beginning of time and will never end for obvious reasons.

This. I'm probably the poorest person in DCUM, but I will move 2 blocks from the elementary schools of my choice (no poors ofcourse), then moved close to the middle school I want for my kid and then close to high school of my choice.
I do understand that ricer people don't have that option, and are more into doing whatever you are doing here, OP.

[Anonymous]

Carson, RRMS and Jackson and all overcrowded. I love how in OP’s mind wanting to bring Thoreau—which has a whopping 10% FARMs rate— up to capacity is screwing the poors.

Who exactly are the poors being screwed OP? Jackson, which desperately needs the capacity relief, and is going to lose the kids anyway? Or Thoreau, which has almost no FARMs kids? Or the kids you want to bus 45 minutes each way during rush hour to Poe? FYI— Oakton ES has a 8% FARMs rate. It sounds nice to say you are worried about the Poors. But this is just NIMBYism at its finest.

[Anonymous]

I’m in Mosby Woods district -live in 22181. Thoreau is much closer than Jackson. In fact, I drive by Thoreau (it’s off of cedar) on my way to Jackson. So I’m not sure how the TMS-Jackson same distance poster is saying such.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: what do you want them to do instead?

I am in one of the neighborhoods that may move to Thoreau. I am fine with Jackson. Thoreau and Jackson are both far from my house. But Poe is farther and it makes no sense for my kid to go all the way to Poe. So do you want them to move the poorer kids to Poe? That doesn't seem to solve anything either. You are stuck with the fact that location and income are tied.

The neighborhoods closer to Poe (not yours) are wealthier than the rest of Poe. Moving them to Poe, which has more extra space than Thoreau, is a win-win.

You mean inside the Beltway? I guess. They are closer to Jackson than I am, I can see why we would be the logical choice just on location.

It's odd that middle schools are so concentrated around the Beltway, so that much of Vienna and Oakton is not near a middle school.

They are close to Poe and Poe is more under-capacity than Thoreau.

THEY ARE NOT CLOSE TO POE. ARE YOU NUTS??? They just aren’t. Not even close. They are at least a half dozen closer middle schools.

Put zip code 22124 and Poe Middle School into Google Mops. You get

The Jackson neighborhoods that should move to Poe are in Falls Church and Annandale, not 22124. Learn to read.

[Anonymous]

THe NIMBYs are the Oakton families who have always thought they were too good for Jackson. Now they smell a chance to upgrade to Thoreau, to the detriment of other kids at Jackson and Poe.

FCPS claims it will try to eliminate split feeders but this would turn Thoreau into a three-way split feeder. It obviously would never be done except when it pleases wealthier parents and screws less advantaged ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gentle reminder on the poors :

The poors have “poor” habits that make them detrimental to the schools - indolence, criminality, violence, lack of intellectual curiosity. Even the poors themselves do not want to live near the poors. This has been going on since the beginning of time and will never end for obvious reasons.

Exactly. And there is no “ending poverty.” Even Jesus said that the poor will always be with us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people they are talking about moving are about the same distance from LJMS as TMS. TMS is under enrolled. LJMS is over enrolled. It makes sense to move those kids.

But then you look at the color of skin a SES and decide that these kids are too well off to move. You are the one looking at the color of the skin. Not the county.

Ding, ding, ding.

I think OP has been on this warpath for some time. OP is a Jackson parent who wants to off-load some of the poorer Jackson families to Poe. OP never mentions who should be going to Thoreau (which has had excess capacity in a lovely new facility for the past two years). For OP, it's more important that some of the poor kids be moved out of Jackson and into Poe (which already has 75% FARMS) so that Jackson can keep the students that OP sees as desirable (those from MWES, half of OES, and a bit of MRES). So what if we have 350 extra seats at Thoreau! (says OP). The important thing is that poor kids from Jackson are added to the burden of the poorer kids at Poe. (I think the administration and teachers at Poe probably have their hands full with the 75% FARMS kids they already have -- even if they have excess capacity.).

The irony is that the group of kids that OP wants to keep at Jackson (MWES, OES and MRES) are the kids OP considers the higher end kids at Jackson. That SAME GROUP of kids is actually considered the more "needy" group coming into Thoreau! The same kids. It's just that when you are at Jackson (which has 45% FARMS -- and truthfully, it's more than that in the gen ed population -- the AAP center masks the gen ed numbers), the rezoning group is less needy by comparison (perhaps 25-35% FARMS -- it's hard to give exact numbers). At Thoreau, the same rezoning group is the "needy" crowd that the TMS administration is ready and able to assist b/c TMS is only 11% FARMS (or thereabouts).

OP -- you aren't going to get your way. Sorry. And really, the gen ed kids at Jackson will still benefit from ANY group of students being zoned OUT of Jackson. Reducing the crowding will help all of the gen ed kids. The gen ed kids from MWES (who would be zoned out of Jackson) are not an especially high income group. That is the largest part of the kids being re-zoned. They are more than 25% FARMS (b/c the AAP center masks the true numbers of the base school)... probably more like 35-40% FARMS.

At anyrate, OP... I hope you feel better after your rant. Go have a cup of cocoa and find your happy place... or start looking at real estate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:THe NIMBYs are the Oakton families who have always thought they were too good for Jackson. Now they smell a chance to upgrade to Thoreau, to the detriment of other kids at Jackson and Poe.

FCPS claims it will try to eliminate split feeders but this would turn Thoreau into a three-way split feeder. It obviously would never be done except when it pleases wealthier parents and screws less advantaged ones.

Have you looked at the boundary maps for Jackson and for TMS? The solution is obvious based on the maps.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people they are talking about moving are about the same distance from LJMS as TMS. TMS is under enrolled. LJMS is over enrolled. It makes sense to move those kids.

But then you look at the color of skin a SES and decide that these kids are too well off to move. You are the one looking at the color of the skin. Not the county.

Ding, ding, ding.

I think OP has been on this warpath for some time. OP is a Jackson parent who wants to off-load some of the poorer Jackson families to Poe. OP never mentions who should be going to Thoreau (which has had excess capacity in a lovely new facility for the past two years). For OP, it's more important that some of the poor kids be moved out of Jackson and into Poe (which already has 75% FARMS) so that Jackson can keep the students that OP sees as desirable (those from MWES, half of OES, and a bit of MRES). So what if we have 350 extra seats at Thoreau! (says OP). The important thing is that poor kids from Jackson are added to the burden of the poorer kids at Poe. (I think the administration and teachers at Poe probably have their hands full with the 75% FARMS kids they already have -- even if they have excess capacity.).

The irony is that the group of kids that OP wants to keep at Jackson (MWES, OES and MRES) are the kids OP considers the higher end kids at Jackson. That SAME GROUP of kids is actually considered the more "needy" group coming into Thoreau! The same kids. It's just that when you are at Jackson (which has 45% FARMS -- and truthfully, it's more than that in the gen ed population -- the AAP center masks the gen ed numbers), the rezoning group is less needy by comparison (perhaps 25-35% FARMS -- it's hard to give exact numbers). At Thoreau, the same rezoning group is the "needy" crowd that the TMS administration is ready and able to assist b/c TMS is only 11% FARMS (or thereabouts).

OP -- you aren't going to get your way. Sorry. And really, the gen ed kids at Jackson will still benefit from ANY group of students being zoned OUT of Jackson. Reducing the crowding will help all of the gen ed kids. The gen ed kids from MWES (who would be zoned out of Jackson) are not an especially high income group. That is the largest part of the kids being re-zoned. They are more than 25% FARMS (b/c the AAP center masks the true numbers of the base school)... probably more like 35-40% FARMS.

At anyrate, OP... I hope you feel better after your rant. Go have a cup of cocoa and find your happy place... or start looking at real estate.

Not really! The cheapest townhouse in Vienna that feeds to MW are mid 500 range. The school is similar demographics to Marshall Road. Hardly a high farms school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Mosby Woods district -live in 22181. Thoreau is much closer than Jackson. In fact, I drive by Thoreau (it’s off of cedar) on my way to Jackson. So I’m not sure how the TMS-Jackson same distance poster is saying such.

I hate to derail but I think you may be mistaken about where one of these schools is. You can drive by Thoreau on your way to Jackson, but not coming from anywhere near the Mosby Woods zone which is well west of Cedar. Thoreau is 3.9 miles from Mosby Woods Elementary and Jackson is 4.2 miles from it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people they are talking about moving are about the same distance from LJMS as TMS. TMS is under enrolled. LJMS is over enrolled. It makes sense to move those kids.

But then you look at the color of skin a SES and decide that these kids are too well off to move. You are the one looking at the color of the skin. Not the county.

Ding, ding, ding.

I think OP has been on this warpath for some time. OP is a Jackson parent who wants to off-load some of the poorer Jackson families to Poe. OP never mentions who should be going to Thoreau (which has had excess capacity in a lovely new facility for the past two years). For OP, it's more important that some of the poor kids be moved out of Jackson and into Poe (which already has 75% FARMS) so that Jackson can keep the students that OP sees as desirable (those from MWES, half of OES, and a bit of MRES). So what if we have 350 extra seats at Thoreau! (says OP). The important thing is that poor kids from Jackson are added to the burden of the poorer kids at Poe. (I think the administration and teachers at Poe probably have their hands full with the 75% FARMS kids they already have -- even if they have excess capacity.).

The irony is that the group of kids that OP wants to keep at Jackson (MWES, OES and MRES) are the kids OP considers the higher end kids at Jackson. That SAME GROUP of kids is actually considered the more "needy" group coming into Thoreau! The same kids. It's just that when you are at Jackson (which has 45% FARMS -- and truthfully, it's more than that in the gen ed population -- the AAP center masks the gen ed numbers), the rezoning group is less needy by comparison (perhaps 25-35% FARMS -- it's hard to give exact numbers). At Thoreau, the same rezoning group is the "needy" crowd that the TMS administration is ready and able to assist b/c TMS is only 11% FARMS (or thereabouts).

OP -- you aren't going to get your way. Sorry. And really, the gen ed kids at Jackson will still benefit from ANY group of students being zoned OUT of Jackson. Reducing the crowding will help all of the gen ed kids. The gen ed kids from MWES (who would be zoned out of Jackson) are not an especially high income group. That is the largest part of the kids being re-zoned. They are more than 25% FARMS (b/c the AAP center masks the true numbers of the base school)... probably more like 35-40% FARMS.

At anyrate, OP... I hope you feel better after your rant. Go have a cup of cocoa and find your happy place... or start looking at real estate.

Not really! The cheapest townhouse in Vienna that feeds to MW are mid 500 range. The school is similar demographics to Marshall Road. Hardly a high farms school.

Yes, really! There are several APARTMENT developments (anyone on this board know what those are???) that feed into MWES. The FCPS demographics data says it's 25% FARMS at Mosby. But, like I said, the center (which is largely kids from outside of Mosby Woods' boundary) is skewing the percentage of FARMS kids who would be Mosby Woods-based kids (gen ed + AAP) who get FARMS. This is not a high end school. It is not severely poor, but it is more than 25% farms. It is likely 35-40% farms.

[Anonymous]

I think Jeff should delete any post or comment that refers to people as "the poors".