FCPS Ready to Screw Poorer/GenEd Kids Again

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Anonymous wrote:It made so much sense geographically to redistrict. Thoreau had alot of excess capacity and already drew a portion of Oakton kids who went to Flint Hill ES and the majority of Marshall Rd ES kids. Jackson was incredibly overcrowded. AAP Level IV Center stays at Jackson. If Thoreau's AAP-lite program continues to improve (which based on the rapid rise in TJ admits it seems to be getting stronger) it's only natural that more parents will want to keep their kids in their base MS but I don't think this is the death knell of AAP at Luther. I guess only time will tell...

Based on what I'm hearing pretty much the entire AAP classes at these schools is now headed to TMS. That's 5 full classes (about 150 kids). Apparently this number was not factored into TMS numbers on increase in student volume (can someone confirm this?). That would probably result in TMS being overcrowded (over 100% capacity).

Well, I actually have a kid in one of the rezoned schools, in the AAP part, and I'm hearing a lot of people are going to LJ. My kid isn't. But, s/he says that it sounds like most kids are still going to LJ (especially if they had an older sibling who went there -- families tend to stay with what they know).

I really don't know how it is going to shake out. I just had the complete opposite impression than you.... but I hope you are right b/c I'd like my kid to have some kids s/he knows at TMS.

I'm glad to hear a diff. perspective. Last thing I want is an overcrowded TMS with teachers not knowing what to to. I'm not really impressed with the teacher crowd at TMS but picking TMS due to other considerations. Hoepfully at least 50% of the AAP crowd goes to LJMS. Makes life easier for those that do go to TMS.

[Anonymous]

My impression is that the kids/parents at OES were much more excited about getting rezoned than the kids/parents at MWES. The MWES parents that I know were largely happy with it (except for the crowding) and I think that will carry over for a few years. It's hard to get a real read on the MWES AAP kids b/c they are going to about five different MSs. Only a smaller subset of the AAP center would have the choice to go to Jackson vs. Thoreau. So many are already zoned for Lanier, Rocky Run, Frost.

In the past couple of years, about 2 out of 3 Madison pyramid kids stayed at Thoreau rather than go to Jackson. I think there were about 50 Madison pyramid kids at Jackson for each grade (7th and 8th).

Based on the school profiles, it looks like there are about 26 AAP LL4 kids at OES (some of whom, in the past, would have not been able to go to TMS b/c OES was a split feeder). Based on the transfer reports, it looks like there are about 59 transfers into MWES per AAP grade. There are about 93 AAP kids per grade. That means about 34 kids at MWES are FROM the MWES zone. So, there are 34 kids who now have the option to choose TMS or LJ for AAP. (about 15 kids per grade at MWES always had the option to go to TMS vs. LJ b/c they are Marshall Road kids from Madison pyramid -- so they would have been part of the 2 out of 3 previously going to TMS).

So, really, you are looking at 34 AAP kids from MWES + possibly 5 kids from the southern part of MRES ( that used to be LJ zoned) + possibly 13 kids from OES (that used to be LJ zoned).

The rough estimate of kids who now have the option to do TMS AAP (when previously they only had LJ for AAP) = 52.

I would guess that at least half are still going to LJ... very possibly more. So, that would mean about 20 extra AAP kids at TMS. Or 20 less AAP kids at LJ. (Assuming the kids who always had the choice b/c LJ and TMS stays the same.)

[Anonymous]

Re: above analysis.... I am speaking about EACH GRADE for the estimates. Technically, there would be rising 8th graders who would now have the choice for AAP at TMS, but I assumed few would want to switch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that the kids/parents at OES were much more excited about getting rezoned than the kids/parents at MWES. The MWES parents that I know were largely happy with it (except for the crowding) and I think that will carry over for a few years. It's hard to get a real read on the MWES AAP kids b/c they are going to about five different MSs. Only a smaller subset of the AAP center would have the choice to go to Jackson vs. Thoreau. So many are already zoned for Lanier, Rocky Run, Frost.

In the past couple of years, about 2 out of 3 Madison pyramid kids stayed at Thoreau rather than go to Jackson. I think there were about 50 Madison pyramid kids at Jackson for each grade (7th and 8th).

Based on the school profiles, it looks like there are about 26 AAP LL4 kids at OES (some of whom, in the past, would have not been able to go to TMS b/c OES was a split feeder). Based on the transfer reports, it looks like there are about 59 transfers into MWES per AAP grade. There are about 93 AAP kids per grade. That means about 34 kids at MWES are FROM the MWES zone. So, there are 34 kids who now have the option to choose TMS or LJ for AAP. (about 15 kids per grade at MWES always had the option to go to TMS vs. LJ b/c they are Marshall Road kids from Madison pyramid -- so they would have been part of the 2 out of 3 previously going to TMS).

So, really, you are looking at 34 AAP kids from MWES + possibly 5 kids from the southern part of MRES ( that used to be LJ zoned) + possibly 13 kids from OES (that used to be LJ zoned).

The rough estimate of kids who now have the option to do TMS AAP (when previously they only had LJ for AAP) = 52.

I would guess that at least half are still going to LJ... very possibly more. So, that would mean about 20 extra AAP kids at TMS. Or 20 less AAP kids at LJ. (Assuming the kids who always had the choice b/c LJ and TMS stays the same.)

Thanks for the analysis! This helps a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that the kids/parents at OES were much more excited about getting rezoned than the kids/parents at MWES. The MWES parents that I know were largely happy with it (except for the crowding) and I think that will carry over for a few years. It's hard to get a real read on the MWES AAP kids b/c they are going to about five different MSs. Only a smaller subset of the AAP center would have the choice to go to Jackson vs. Thoreau. So many are already zoned for Lanier, Rocky Run, Frost.

In the past couple of years, about 2 out of 3 Madison pyramid kids stayed at Thoreau rather than go to Jackson. I think there were about 50 Madison pyramid kids at Jackson for each grade (7th and 8th).

Based on the school profiles, it looks like there are about 26 AAP LL4 kids at OES (some of whom, in the past, would have not been able to go to TMS b/c OES was a split feeder). Based on the transfer reports, it looks like there are about 59 transfers into MWES per AAP grade. There are about 93 AAP kids per grade. That means about 34 kids at MWES are FROM the MWES zone. So, there are 34 kids who now have the option to choose TMS or LJ for AAP. (about 15 kids per grade at MWES always had the option to go to TMS vs. LJ b/c they are Marshall Road kids from Madison pyramid -- so they would have been part of the 2 out of 3 previously going to TMS).

So, really, you are looking at 34 AAP kids from MWES + possibly 5 kids from the southern part of MRES ( that used to be LJ zoned) + possibly 13 kids from OES (that used to be LJ zoned).

The rough estimate of kids who now have the option to do TMS AAP (when previously they only had LJ for AAP) = 52.

I would guess that at least half are still going to LJ... very possibly more. So, that would mean about 20 extra AAP kids at TMS. Or 20 less AAP kids at LJ. (Assuming the kids who always had the choice b/c LJ and TMS stays the same.)

Any insight into Marshall Road ES AAP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that the kids/parents at OES were much more excited about getting rezoned than the kids/parents at MWES. The MWES parents that I know were largely happy with it (except for the crowding) and I think that will carry over for a few years. It's hard to get a real read on the MWES AAP kids b/c they are going to about five different MSs. Only a smaller subset of the AAP center would have the choice to go to Jackson vs. Thoreau. So many are already zoned for Lanier, Rocky Run, Frost.

In the past couple of years, about 2 out of 3 Madison pyramid kids stayed at Thoreau rather than go to Jackson. I think there were about 50 Madison pyramid kids at Jackson for each grade (7th and 8th).

Based on the school profiles, it looks like there are about 26 AAP LL4 kids at OES (some of whom, in the past, would have not been able to go to TMS b/c OES was a split feeder). Based on the transfer reports, it looks like there are about 59 transfers into MWES per AAP grade. There are about 93 AAP kids per grade. That means about 34 kids at MWES are FROM the MWES zone. So, there are 34 kids who now have the option to choose TMS or LJ for AAP. (about 15 kids per grade at MWES always had the option to go to TMS vs. LJ b/c they are Marshall Road kids from Madison pyramid -- so they would have been part of the 2 out of 3 previously going to TMS).

So, really, you are looking at 34 AAP kids from MWES + possibly 5 kids from the southern part of MRES ( that used to be LJ zoned) + possibly 13 kids from OES (that used to be LJ zoned).

The rough estimate of kids who now have the option to do TMS AAP (when previously they only had LJ for AAP) = 52.

I would guess that at least half are still going to LJ... very possibly more. So, that would mean about 20 extra AAP kids at TMS. Or 20 less AAP kids at LJ. (Assuming the kids who always had the choice b/c LJ and TMS stays the same.)

Any insight into Marshall Road ES AAP?

Ignore. Just saw that you had included a count of 5 potential MRES AAP students.

[Anonymous]

Do you mean AAP at MRES? I really couldn't say from direct experience b/c the kids in my neighborhood go to MWES for AAP.

Based on the data, it appears MRES only has 5 kids per grade that are AAP qualified. I assume they fill up the local level 4 class with mostly bright, but not AAP-qualified kids (make of that what you wish -- there are many non-AAP kids who are capable of doing "AAP work"). Since there could only be one LL4 class per grade at MRES, the teacher who teaches that class doesn't have any peers to share the planning or learn from. For that reason, I would be hesitant to go that route (as well as the questionable number of kids who are higher level thinkers). But, it's possible that it's a great local program. I don't have first hand knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Sorry -- I was typing the above when you retracted the question!

[Anonymous]

It's a rough estimate based on the total size of the AAP population and the size of the OES or MRES zones that were previously LJ-only-zoned.

I'd like to see a big group of the MWES kids go to TMS... but I haven't been hearing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you mean AAP at MRES? I really couldn't say from direct experience b/c the kids in my neighborhood go to MWES for AAP.

Based on the data, it appears MRES only has 5 kids per grade that are AAP qualified. I assume they fill up the local level 4 class with mostly bright, but not AAP-qualified kids (make of that what you wish -- there are many non-AAP kids who are capable of doing "AAP work"). Since there could only be one LL4 class per grade at MRES, the teacher who teaches that class doesn't have any peers to share the planning or learn from. For that reason, I would be hesitant to go that route (as well as the questionable number of kids who are higher level thinkers). But, it's possible that it's a great local program. I don't have first hand knowledge.

Thanks for the detailed responses. I think ALL FCPS kids are capable of AAP-level work. Maybe not in all subjects but certainly in one or more. FCPS would be better off making that their goal for education.

[Anonymous]

The FCPS projections were that the plan would move over 375 kids from LJ to TMS and even that assumed all the AAP kids would stay at LJ.

It’s impossible to predict the impact on the AAP program until we see how future TMS parents react to the demographic changes at LJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you mean AAP at MRES? I really couldn't say from direct experience b/c the kids in my neighborhood go to MWES for AAP.

Based on the data, it appears MRES only has 5 kids per grade that are AAP qualified. I assume they fill up the local level 4 class with mostly bright, but not AAP-qualified kids (make of that what you wish -- there are many non-AAP kids who are capable of doing "AAP work"). Since there could only be one LL4 class per grade at MRES, the teacher who teaches that class doesn't have any peers to share the planning or learn from. For that reason, I would be hesitant to go that route (as well as the questionable number of kids who are higher level thinkers). But, it's possible that it's a great local program. I don't have first hand knowledge.

Thanks for the detailed responses. I think ALL FCPS kids are capable of AAP-level work. Maybe not in all subjects but certainly in one or more. FCPS would be better off making that their goal for education.

This is what it’s about for you, with a base kid or kids. You’re probably the histrionic one looking to move to loudoun this summer.

[Anonymous]

The deadline has already passed for kids to make up their mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The deadline has already passed for kids to make up their mind.

That is not true. Deadline to submit the form to Thoreau is March 9th.

[Anonymous]

Lj here we come!!