FCPS Ready to Screw Poorer/GenEd Kids Again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think Jeff should delete any post or comment that refers to people as "the poors".

People should stop virtue signaling and be honest when they post. It almost always boils down to wanting their children to go to a better school with fewer poors. If you want more diversity for your children - move. Don't be a latte liberal who lives in an area with few poors and push your views on another part of the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Jeff should delete any post or comment that refers to people as "the poors".

People should stop virtue signaling and be honest when they post. It almost always boils down to wanting their children to go to a better school with fewer poors. If you want more diversity for your children - move. Don't be a latte liberal who lives in an area with few poors and push your views on another part of the county.

DP here, there's a difference between "poors" and "poor people." Have some respect and civility. The term "poors" used to be used on DCUM when mocking those who were afraid of diversity - "oh noes, the poors!" - but has of course been embraced unironically by bigots. Sign of the times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The people they are talking about moving are about the same distance from LJMS as TMS. TMS is under enrolled. LJMS is over enrolled. It makes sense to move those kids.

But then you look at the color of skin a SES and decide that these kids are too well off to move. You are the one looking at the color of the skin. Not the county.

Ding, ding, ding.

I think OP has been on this warpath for some time. OP is a Jackson parent who wants to off-load some of the poorer Jackson families to Poe. OP never mentions who should be going to Thoreau (which has had excess capacity in a lovely new facility for the past two years). For OP, it's more important that some of the poor kids be moved out of Jackson and into Poe (which already has 75% FARMS) so that Jackson can keep the students that OP sees as desirable (those from MWES, half of OES, and a bit of MRES). So what if we have 350 extra seats at Thoreau! (says OP). The important thing is that poor kids from Jackson are added to the burden of the poorer kids at Poe. (I think the administration and teachers at Poe probably have their hands full with the 75% FARMS kids they already have -- even if they have excess capacity.).

The irony is that the group of kids that OP wants to keep at Jackson (MWES, OES and MRES) are the kids OP considers the higher end kids at Jackson. That SAME GROUP of kids is actually considered the more "needy" group coming into Thoreau! The same kids. It's just that when you are at Jackson (which has 45% FARMS -- and truthfully, it's more than that in the gen ed population -- the AAP center masks the gen ed numbers), the rezoning group is less needy by comparison (perhaps 25-35% FARMS -- it's hard to give exact numbers). At Thoreau, the same rezoning group is the "needy" crowd that the TMS administration is ready and able to assist b/c TMS is only 11% FARMS (or thereabouts).

OP -- you aren't going to get your way. Sorry. And really, the gen ed kids at Jackson will still benefit from ANY group of students being zoned OUT of Jackson. Reducing the crowding will help all of the gen ed kids. The gen ed kids from MWES (who would be zoned out of Jackson) are not an especially high income group. That is the largest part of the kids being re-zoned. They are more than 25% FARMS (b/c the AAP center masks the true numbers of the base school)... probably more like 35-40% FARMS.

At anyrate, OP... I hope you feel better after your rant. Go have a cup of cocoa and find your happy place... or start looking at real estate.

Not really! The cheapest townhouse in Vienna that feeds to MW are mid 500 range. The school is similar demographics to Marshall Road. Hardly a high farms school.

Yes, really! There are several APARTMENT developments (anyone on this board know what those are???) that feed into MWES. The FCPS demographics data says it's 25% FARMS at Mosby. But, like I said, the center (which is largely kids from outside of Mosby Woods' boundary) is skewing the percentage of FARMS kids who would be Mosby Woods-based kids (gen ed + AAP) who get FARMS. This is not a high end school. It is not severely poor, but it is more than 25% farms. It is likely 35-40% farms.

You are just dumb.

[Anonymous]

The Jackson neighborhoods that should move to Poe are in Falls Church and Annandale, not 22124. Learn to read.

This. Oakton parents are coming across pretty stupid to think somehow they'd be shifted to Poe. However, if Poe is under-enrolled, it's a shame it's not being considered as part of this boundary alignment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Jackson neighborhoods that should move to Poe are in Falls Church and Annandale, not 22124. Learn to read.

This. Oakton parents are coming across pretty stupid to think somehow they'd be shifted to Poe. However, if Poe is under-enrolled, it's a shame it's not being considered as part of this boundary alignment.

To be fair, 22124 is one of the zips being shifted from Jackson to Thoreau. It also has some of the wealthiest neighborhoods that feed into OES. OP could very well have been talking about 22124. In fact, it would help a lot if Op would give specific neighborhoods and /or zips s/he wants shifted to Poe. “Falls Church” is not that helpful in nailing areas down. It looks to me like OP wants to shift more high FARMs areas into Poe. Because the poors are more comfortable amongst their own type. Amirite, OP...

If that’s not what is going on, what do you want to shift? Specifically?

[Anonymous]

So, OP --- who is going to go to Thoreau? Or do you just want to leave it undercapacity (by 350+ students) with a nice, new building for the Vienna kids who already go there? Hmmmm? It's worked out well for my DC who has gone there the last 2 years, but I think it is silly that the school board didn't rezone some kids into TMS 2 yrs ago.

Let OP bicker about which kids go to Poe... we'll be sitting pretty at TMS with lots of extra legroom!

Serioulsy, though, OP, this discussion is a waste of time. The school board is already planning to rezone the schools in question out of Jackson and into Thoreau. It's essentially a done deal. You don't like it. But that doesn't change the outcome. It's done. Ain't nobody considering Poe in this equation. Period.

[Anonymous]

Why would Oakton go to falls Church dump area schools?

[Anonymous]

OP, I detest your word choice, "screw," and in this context, it's disgusting.

You should have honed your vocabulary skills in middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I detest your word choice, "screw," and in this context, it's disgusting.

You should have honed your vocabulary skills in middle school.

He's "poorer".. didn't go to middle school..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, OP --- who is going to go to Thoreau? Or do you just want to leave it undercapacity (by 350+ students) with a nice, new building for the Vienna kids who already go there? Hmmmm? It's worked out well for my DC who has gone there the last 2 years, but I think it is silly that the school board didn't rezone some kids into TMS 2 yrs ago.

Let OP bicker about which kids go to Poe... we'll be sitting pretty at TMS with lots of extra legroom!

Serioulsy, though, OP, this discussion is a waste of time. The school board is already planning to rezone the schools in question out of Jackson and into Thoreau. It's essentially a done deal. You don't like it. But that doesn't change the outcome. It's done. Ain't nobody considering Poe in this equation. Period.

They should move part of Kilmer to Thoreau, which would avoid turning Thoreau into a three-way split feeder.

Funny how you slip into using terms like “ain’t” when you think you are talking (down) to the poors.

[Anonymous]

I didn't use "ain't" in speaking to poor people. I used it to speak to people too dumb to understand or admit that Poe has never been in the official proposals and will not suddenly be inserted into the decision process. The board isn't going to drop all the proposals and the recommendation that is set for final approval in 10 days. This ship has sailed and Poe isn't and never was on the ship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't use "ain't" in speaking to poor people. I used it to speak to people too dumb to understand or admit that Poe has never been in the official proposals and will not suddenly be inserted into the decision process. The board isn't going to drop all the proposals and the recommendation that is set for final approval in 10 days. This ship has sailed and Poe isn't and never was on the ship.

There hasn't been a vote, so the ship hasn't sailed yet, although you're obviously paddling away from Jackson as fast as you can.

If they aren't total hypocrites, they need to hit the reset button.

[Anonymous]

What zip codes should be considered for Poe?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't use "ain't" in speaking to poor people. I used it to speak to people too dumb to understand or admit that Poe has never been in the official proposals and will not suddenly be inserted into the decision process. The board isn't going to drop all the proposals and the recommendation that is set for final approval in 10 days. This ship has sailed and Poe isn't and never was on the ship.

There hasn't been a vote, so the ship hasn't sailed yet, although you're obviously paddling away from Jackson as fast as you can.

If they aren't total hypocrites, they need to hit the reset button.

I don't need to "paddle away from Jackson" b/c my kids can go to Thoreau. So, really, it's just a benefit to my family if you get your way... the whole rezoning process gets scrapped next week. Jackson kids live with 19+ trailers for another year. Thoreau kids continue to enjoy their nice, big, roomy, new facility for at least another year -- maybe several years. Works for me! You can spend the next year bickering about which group of Jackson's poorer kids to off-load onto Poe. Ultimately, the kids already zoned for Poe will be in a school that is even more "needy" (higher than the current 75% FARMS rate). yep...We'll be fine over here at Thoreau where the FARMS rate is ... oh let's see.... 10%!

Enjoy the pushing and shoving again next year at Jackson!

If you have so many great ideas, OP, and you feel so strongly about what should happen, why didn't you speak up last week when the school board was taking community input? I know you didn't speak up b/c I watched all TWO people comment from the community. One was supporting the move (from Oakton ES) and the other was asking to keep Mosby in LJMS (a Mosby Parent). No -- you didn't show up to speak. You didn't submit a video comment. You just like to moan and complain on DCUM. Well, just keep at it. School board will be voting next week. There is only one recommended plan on the table. It does not involve Poe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't use "ain't" in speaking to poor people. I used it to speak to people too dumb to understand or admit that Poe has never been in the official proposals and will not suddenly be inserted into the decision process. The board isn't going to drop all the proposals and the recommendation that is set for final approval in 10 days. This ship has sailed and Poe isn't and never was on the ship.

There hasn't been a vote, so the ship hasn't sailed yet, although you're obviously paddling away from Jackson as fast as you can.

If they aren't total hypocrites, they need to hit the reset button.

I don't need to "paddle away from Jackson" b/c my kids can go to Thoreau. So, really, it's just a benefit to my family if you get your way... the whole rezoning process gets scrapped next week. Jackson kids live with 19+ trailers for another year. Thoreau kids continue to enjoy their nice, big, roomy, new facility for at least another year -- maybe several years. Works for me! You can spend the next year bickering about which group of Jackson's poorer kids to off-load onto Poe. Ultimately, the kids already zoned for Poe will be in a school that is even more "needy" (higher than the current 75% FARMS rate). yep...We'll be fine over here at Thoreau where the FARMS rate is ... oh let's see.... 10%!

Enjoy the pushing and shoving again next year at Jackson!

If you have so many great ideas, OP, and you feel so strongly about what should happen, why didn't you speak up last week when the school board was taking community input? I know you didn't speak up b/c I watched all TWO people comment from the community. One was supporting the move (from Oakton ES) and the other was asking to keep Mosby in LJMS (a Mosby Parent). No -- you didn't show up to speak. You didn't submit a video comment. You just like to moan and complain on DCUM. Well, just keep at it. School board will be voting next week. There is only one recommended plan on the table. It does not involve Poe.

Moving some or all of Camelot and/or Woodburn from Jackson to Poe would reduce the FARMS rate at Poe, and quite possibly at Jackson as well.

While relieving the overcrowding at Jackson, it would also show that the School Board actually cares about equity, and taking steps to balance, where possible, student demographics, rather than catering to loudmouths like you and isolating the poor kids in certain middle schools like Poe, Key, and Whitman.

You really don't know enough here to be commenting sensibly, so I suggest you shut up.