Is this clip really demonstrative of how Trump voters feel about the trans community?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My heart breaks reading this. My heart breaks for my trans child and what the future holds for them.

I’m someone you’d probably consider on the opposite side of you. I believe in sex-based rights. I’m also someone with data training who dug into the studies cited by WPATH to support child transition years ago, and realized just how flimsy they were. And I see and despise the deep misogyny of a lot of trans rights activists. So, I’m positive you’d consider me on the opposite side of you.

I wanted to tell you this: I know you won’t believe this, but I want your child to thrive. I want evidence-based care for kids like your child. I want rigorous studies that chart out lifetime care paths, not the ideologically-driven and extraordinarily weak studies that exist now. I do not support the inflammatory language of Trump’s EOs or most aspects of them. I think Nancy Mace’s behavior is unacceptable. I think people like Matt Walsh are vile, morally bankrupt grifters. I never use the t-slur. I think there has to be a way to balance sex-based rights and trans rights, we just haven’t figured it out yet as a society.

I’m sorry for what you and your child are going through right now. It’s not right, and if Democrats and Republicans both hadn’t been cynically fundraising for years on the backs of kids like yours, if hospitals and medical systems hadn’t seen your kid as endless money printing machines, if liberals hadn’t inexplicably decided that for this one issue, even the slightest questioning of the orthodoxy was impermissible and an offense worthy of excommunication, you and your child would not be in this awful situation. And it is awful: we shouldn’t be here. This has been a systemic failure. And I am sorry for the heartbreak you are feeling. You and your kid deserve better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The cruelty is the point. Not a single conservative even cared about women's sports until Trump made it another way to show hatred towards people who aren't like them.

The NCAA announced that there were only 10 transgender athletes competing in women's sports. It's such an inconsequential issue as to boggle the mind why anyone would care. The point is not to help "real" women, it's to vice signal that they hate anyone who doesn't stuff themselves into a box that conforms to their narrow and ignorant worldview.

Actually, before the trans athlete brouhaha most white conservative men I know made fun of women’s sports. Openly mocked it for lack of athleticism.

Want to do a fun test? Ask a conservative white guy who is pissed about trans people how he feels about watching the WNBA or women’s soccer. 10 bucks says he goes off on a rant about how those leagues suck, not worth the time to watch it, not as good as the men, etc.

These men don’t give two sh#ts about women’s sports.

I cannot understand why people care about any of this sh*t.
Who cares if someone wants to dress as a woman? Don’t you have better stuff to do? So what? Why on earth does it concern you. It’s beyond none of your business. Does it make eggs more expensive? No! So shut up about it

No.

And the more the left insists women need to shut up, the more I’ll speak out. Women deserve the privacy and safety of sex segregated spaces like bathrooms and sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are not nice people:

He’s a man. Dressing in drag and taking hormones doesn’t make him a woman.

Ok cool but why the need to disrespect someone? If someone asked me to call them dodo bird I would oblige. What’s the harm? It’s ok if people disagree with me I can still show them basic respect.

Because

1. There is nothing disrespectful about calling a man a man
2. Saying a man is a woman is a lie

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My heart breaks reading this. My heart breaks for my trans child and what the future holds for them.

I’m someone you’d probably consider on the opposite side of you. I believe in sex-based rights. I’m also someone with data training who dug into the studies cited by WPATH to support child transition years ago, and realized just how flimsy they were. And I see and despise the deep misogyny of a lot of trans rights activists. So, I’m positive you’d consider me on the opposite side of you.

I wanted to tell you this: I know you won’t believe this, but I want your child to thrive. I want evidence-based care for kids like your child. I want rigorous studies that chart out lifetime care paths, not the ideologically-driven and extraordinarily weak studies that exist now. I do not support the inflammatory language of Trump’s EOs or most aspects of them. I think Nancy Mace’s behavior is unacceptable. I think people like Matt Walsh are vile, morally bankrupt grifters. I never use the t-slur. I think there has to be a way to balance sex-based rights and trans rights, we just haven’t figured it out yet as a society.

I’m sorry for what you and your child are going through right now. It’s not right, and if Democrats and Republicans both hadn’t been cynically fundraising for years on the backs of kids like yours, if hospitals and medical systems hadn’t seen your kid as endless money printing machines, if liberals hadn’t inexplicably decided that for this one issue, even the slightest questioning of the orthodoxy was impermissible and an offense worthy of excommunication, you and your child would not be in this awful situation. And it is awful: we shouldn’t be here. This has been a systemic failure. And I am sorry for the heartbreak you are feeling. You and your kid deserve better.

There will be no studies. Good studies, bad studies, mediocre studies. None. Trump banned transgender and a slew of other words from federal grants had them scrubbed from federal databases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i guess i just find it so odd that anyone would think anyone would fake this.

why if you are a man or a boy, would you want to dress and live as a woman or a girl unless you HAD to because to deny this about yourself was to open the door to significant depression, suicidal ideation and self harm. What possible benefit could it infer upon you? It is beyond hard. People discriminate against you at every step. They judge you. They jeer in the streets. Kids alienate you. You are self conscious every second you are out in public. You are told you are weird and gross and euw.

WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT unless they had no choice? That's what liberals dont get about the republican argument.

It's a mental illness that thrives on narcissism and attention-seeking. You don't get it because you're (relatively) normal.

ok - this is now making sense. I literally did not realize that they think it's a mental illness.
although - EVEN IF your position is that it's a 'mental illness' (that oddly lots of kids just 'have' even those from republican families), then what's the solution? Ignore and hope it goes away? do you have some kind of magic anti trans pill you're pushing?
Also many many kids are trans and narcissism is not really possible in kids - which you might know if you had ever actually looked into the research behind all this which i'm sure you have not.

Are you seriously this clueless?

Have you ever heard of social contagion? That being trans is cool and accepted now, and a way for vulnerable kids who are suffering to feel seen, lauded and accepted?

No, you don't ignore it and hope it goes away. You call it out for what it is - a dangerous mind game that leads to permanent, horrific body alterations and lifelong pain and suffering. And you stop the positive promotion in schools, the media etc. under the guise of faux compasion.

Wow. THIS is the theory you’re going with?

But ok - worst case scenario: everyone can just make up what gender they feel like they are. So what? What’s the worst that can happen? What’s your biggest fear? And do you really think we all will? Why? Would you? I wouldn’t.

Sweetheart, if you want to "make up a gender" that involves wearing purple feathers and cackling like a duck, go right ahead. You can follow whatever crazy gender whim you desire, at any time you want. (You won't work for me, or be hired by my company, but that's another story.)

What you will not do is influence my children and, as much as I can continue to work to prevent it, influence any children. You will not tell them or lead them to believe that any of this is normal, or right, or OK, or good, or the solution to their problems, or any other tactic you dream up.

Adults - go for it. But you're not coming for the kids.

[Anonymous]

I’m just annoyed that anti-trans posters are too wimpy to admit how to resolve the “trans issue.”

They dance around the policy solutions, but won’t admit their Final Solution. At this point they seem to be engaged in mass scream into the void and gnash their teeth.

Of course when they finally get what they want - violence against trans people - they will of course say “the Democrats made us do this!”

It’s so pathetic and weak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i guess i just find it so odd that anyone would think anyone would fake this.

why if you are a man or a boy, would you want to dress and live as a woman or a girl unless you HAD to because to deny this about yourself was to open the door to significant depression, suicidal ideation and self harm. What possible benefit could it infer upon you? It is beyond hard. People discriminate against you at every step. They judge you. They jeer in the streets. Kids alienate you. You are self conscious every second you are out in public. You are told you are weird and gross and euw.

WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT unless they had no choice? That's what liberals dont get about the republican argument.

It's a mental illness that thrives on narcissism and attention-seeking. You don't get it because you're (relatively) normal.

ok - this is now making sense. I literally did not realize that they think it's a mental illness.
although - EVEN IF your position is that it's a 'mental illness' (that oddly lots of kids just 'have' even those from republican families), then what's the solution? Ignore and hope it goes away? do you have some kind of magic anti trans pill you're pushing?
Also many many kids are trans and narcissism is not really possible in kids - which you might know if you had ever actually looked into the research behind all this which i'm sure you have not.

Are you seriously this clueless?

Have you ever heard of social contagion? That being trans is cool and accepted now, and a way for vulnerable kids who are suffering to feel seen, lauded and accepted?

No, you don't ignore it and hope it goes away. You call it out for what it is - a dangerous mind game that leads to permanent, horrific body alterations and lifelong pain and suffering. And you stop the positive promotion in schools, the media etc. under the guise of faux compasion.

Wow. THIS is the theory you’re going with?

But ok - worst case scenario: everyone can just make up what gender they feel like they are. So what? What’s the worst that can happen? What’s your biggest fear? And do you really think we all will? Why? Would you? I wouldn’t.

Sweetheart, if you want to "make up a gender" that involves wearing purple feathers and cackling like a duck, go right ahead. You can follow whatever crazy gender whim you desire, at any time you want. (You won't work for me, or be hired by my company, but that's another story.)

What you will not do is influence my children and, as much as I can continue to work to prevent it, influence any children. You will not tell them or lead them to believe that any of this is normal, or right, or OK, or good, or the solution to their problems, or any other tactic you dream up.

Adults - go for it. But you're not coming for the kids.

… because you think they’ll also want to be nonbinary forever? Because they heard someone else is?
Firstly - it’s not contagious.
Secondly - I am not your sweetie. So you can step down there.
Even if that happened. Even if everyone on the planet made up a gender. So what? If it made them happy.
I can’t imagine they would. But if they did - what’s the worst that could happen?
To me, kids killing themselves bc they have a parent like you who refuses to see what’s in front of their eyes (if it’s the case they are trans) or makes them feel there is something deeply wrong with them or throws them out is a much much bigger and more evidence based concern than the weird one you cooked up.

[Anonymous]

There is no issue, the broader culture overwhelmingly rejects making every conceivable accommodation for trans people, because trans women are not truly women. This final.sokution nonsense exists only.in the shrill minds of the hyper online.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i guess i just find it so odd that anyone would think anyone would fake this.

why if you are a man or a boy, would you want to dress and live as a woman or a girl unless you HAD to because to deny this about yourself was to open the door to significant depression, suicidal ideation and self harm. What possible benefit could it infer upon you? It is beyond hard. People discriminate against you at every step. They judge you. They jeer in the streets. Kids alienate you. You are self conscious every second you are out in public. You are told you are weird and gross and euw.

WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT unless they had no choice? That's what liberals dont get about the republican argument.

It's a mental illness that thrives on narcissism and attention-seeking. You don't get it because you're (relatively) normal.

ok - this is now making sense. I literally did not realize that they think it's a mental illness.
although - EVEN IF your position is that it's a 'mental illness' (that oddly lots of kids just 'have' even those from republican families), then what's the solution? Ignore and hope it goes away? do you have some kind of magic anti trans pill you're pushing?
Also many many kids are trans and narcissism is not really possible in kids - which you might know if you had ever actually looked into the research behind all this which i'm sure you have not.

Are you seriously this clueless?

Have you ever heard of social contagion? That being trans is cool and accepted now, and a way for vulnerable kids who are suffering to feel seen, lauded and accepted?

No, you don't ignore it and hope it goes away. You call it out for what it is - a dangerous mind game that leads to permanent, horrific body alterations and lifelong pain and suffering. And you stop the positive promotion in schools, the media etc. under the guise of faux compasion.

Wow. THIS is the theory you’re going with?

But ok - worst case scenario: everyone can just make up what gender they feel like they are. So what? What’s the worst that can happen? What’s your biggest fear? And do you really think we all will? Why? Would you? I wouldn’t.

Sweetheart, if you want to "make up a gender" that involves wearing purple feathers and cackling like a duck, go right ahead. You can follow whatever crazy gender whim you desire, at any time you want. (You won't work for me, or be hired by my company, but that's another story.)

What you will not do is influence my children and, as much as I can continue to work to prevent it, influence any children. You will not tell them or lead them to believe that any of this is normal, or right, or OK, or good, or the solution to their problems, or any other tactic you dream up.

Adults - go for it. But you're not coming for the kids.

… because you think they’ll also want to be nonbinary forever? Because they heard someone else is?
Firstly - it’s not contagious.
Secondly - I am not your sweetie. So you can step down there.
Even if that happened. Even if everyone on the planet made up a gender. So what? If it made them happy.
I can’t imagine they would. But if they did - what’s the worst that could happen?
To me, kids killing themselves bc they have a parent like you who refuses to see what’s in front of their eyes (if it’s the case they are trans) or makes them feel there is something deeply wrong with them or throws them out is a much much bigger and more evidence based concern than the weird one you cooked up.

It is absolutely "contagious," so you can stop right there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no issue, the broader culture overwhelmingly rejects making every conceivable accommodation for trans people, because trans women are not truly women. This final.sokution nonsense exists only.in the shrill minds of the hyper online.

+1. That is what these crazies don't understand, because they are so vested in their own victimhood.

There is no "trans issue," except stopping them from luring innocent kids into the fold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are not nice people:

He’s a man. Dressing in drag and taking hormones doesn’t make him a woman.

Ok cool but why the need to disrespect someone? If someone asked me to call them dodo bird I would oblige. What’s the harm? It’s ok if people disagree with me I can still show them basic respect.

Because

1. There is nothing disrespectful about calling a man a man
2. Saying a man is a woman is a lie

Even if you believe that it’s disrespectful to say anything to anyone that is deeply hurtful for no reason. I bet you’re fat (bc maga) but I wouldn’t say it to your face. Even though it’s true. Bc it would hurt you. Not saying you’re fat is a lie. But it’s still ok not to say it.

Secondly, gender is a social construct plain and simple. So there’s no lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i guess i just find it so odd that anyone would think anyone would fake this.

why if you are a man or a boy, would you want to dress and live as a woman or a girl unless you HAD to because to deny this about yourself was to open the door to significant depression, suicidal ideation and self harm. What possible benefit could it infer upon you? It is beyond hard. People discriminate against you at every step. They judge you. They jeer in the streets. Kids alienate you. You are self conscious every second you are out in public. You are told you are weird and gross and euw.

WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT unless they had no choice? That's what liberals dont get about the republican argument.

It's a mental illness that thrives on narcissism and attention-seeking. You don't get it because you're (relatively) normal.

ok - this is now making sense. I literally did not realize that they think it's a mental illness.
although - EVEN IF your position is that it's a 'mental illness' (that oddly lots of kids just 'have' even those from republican families), then what's the solution? Ignore and hope it goes away? do you have some kind of magic anti trans pill you're pushing?
Also many many kids are trans and narcissism is not really possible in kids - which you might know if you had ever actually looked into the research behind all this which i'm sure you have not.

Are you seriously this clueless?

Have you ever heard of social contagion? That being trans is cool and accepted now, and a way for vulnerable kids who are suffering to feel seen, lauded and accepted?

No, you don't ignore it and hope it goes away. You call it out for what it is - a dangerous mind game that leads to permanent, horrific body alterations and lifelong pain and suffering. And you stop the positive promotion in schools, the media etc. under the guise of faux compasion.

Wow. THIS is the theory you’re going with?

But ok - worst case scenario: everyone can just make up what gender they feel like they are. So what? What’s the worst that can happen? What’s your biggest fear? And do you really think we all will? Why? Would you? I wouldn’t.

Sweetheart, if you want to "make up a gender" that involves wearing purple feathers and cackling like a duck, go right ahead. You can follow whatever crazy gender whim you desire, at any time you want. (You won't work for me, or be hired by my company, but that's another story.)

What you will not do is influence my children and, as much as I can continue to work to prevent it, influence any children. You will not tell them or lead them to believe that any of this is normal, or right, or OK, or good, or the solution to their problems, or any other tactic you dream up.

Adults - go for it. But you're not coming for the kids.

… because you think they’ll also want to be nonbinary forever? Because they heard someone else is?
Firstly - it’s not contagious.
Secondly - I am not your sweetie. So you can step down there.
Even if that happened. Even if everyone on the planet made up a gender. So what? If it made them happy.
I can’t imagine they would. But if they did - what’s the worst that could happen?
To me, kids killing themselves bc they have a parent like you who refuses to see what’s in front of their eyes (if it’s the case they are trans) or makes them feel there is something deeply wrong with them or throws them out is a much much bigger and more evidence based concern than the weird one you cooked up.

This is the real problem maga has with transgender people. They think it’s contagious (unlike measles which is harmless) and that they can will away the possibility of having a “different” kid and all the judgment that they will get. They don’t see that acceptance is the way through the conundrum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are not nice people:

He’s a man. Dressing in drag and taking hormones doesn’t make him a woman.

Ok cool but why the need to disrespect someone? If someone asked me to call them dodo bird I would oblige. What’s the harm? It’s ok if people disagree with me I can still show them basic respect.

Because

1. There is nothing disrespectful about calling a man a man
2. Saying a man is a woman is a lie

Even if you believe that it’s disrespectful to say anything to anyone that is deeply hurtful for no reason. I bet you’re fat (bc maga) but I wouldn’t say it to your face. Even though it’s true. Bc it would hurt you. Not saying you’re fat is a lie. But it’s still ok not to say it.

Secondly, gender is a social construct plain and simple. So there’s no lie.

NP. And I'm 5'7" 127 pounds, just for the record.

If I'm fat, I know I'm fat. I'm not trying to get you to pretend that I'm not.

If I see a man who is pretending that he is a woman, I'm not going along with his delusion, just to be "respectful."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are not nice people:

He’s a man. Dressing in drag and taking hormones doesn’t make him a woman.

Ok cool but why the need to disrespect someone? If someone asked me to call them dodo bird I would oblige. What’s the harm? It’s ok if people disagree with me I can still show them basic respect.

Because

1. There is nothing disrespectful about calling a man a man
2. Saying a man is a woman is a lie

Even if you believe that it’s disrespectful to say anything to anyone that is deeply hurtful for no reason. I bet you’re fat (bc maga) but I wouldn’t say it to your face. Even though it’s true. Bc it would hurt you. Not saying you’re fat is a lie. But it’s still ok not to say it.

Secondly, gender is a social construct plain and simple. So there’s no lie.

NP. And I'm 5'7" 127 pounds, just for the record.

If I'm fat, I know I'm fat. I'm not trying to get you to pretend that I'm not.

If I see a man who is pretending that he is a woman, I'm not going along with his delusion, just to be "respectful."

Sure. That’s what’s great about an anonymous forum is you can pretend to be any weight.
Again - gender is not for you to determine. And even if it were a ‘fact’; I bet you’re a Christian. To me it’s clearly factual there is no God determining everything. And it’s been settled scientific fact for a long time that the world was created by the Big Bang theory. I could go on. Should I come burn your bible and raise your church and say - listen lady - we’re done pretending here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no issue, the broader culture overwhelmingly rejects making every conceivable accommodation for trans people, because trans women are not truly women. This final.sokution nonsense exists only.in the shrill minds of the hyper online.

It’s actually not true and much more complex, although that would require you to read and have complex understandings which I know is not your fave

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/