Is this clip really demonstrative of how Trump voters feel about the trans community?

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Anonymous wrote:Transgender person here! (Probably the only one on this thread) You all are straying too far from the original topic, Mace being unprofessional and rude, to needlessly bash on trans people. Just to clear things up: cis is not a slur, it's a Latin prefix meaning "on this side," opposite of trans, meaning "on the other side." Comparing Mace's childish use of an offensive slur to a Latin prefix is one of the most privileged opinions I have seen today. You are not oppressed for being cis.

Again with the entitlement.

How am I entitled?

Women: People are using “cis” as a slur, using it to threaten us, we consider it is a slur.

Transgender poster: “Cis is not a slur.” Proceeds to call women who have said they consider it a slur “cis.”

If that isn’t profound entitlement, I don’t know what is. And for what it’s worth, I agree with you about Mace. She is being unprofessional and rude. But you are also being rude, and extremely entitled.

I haven't called anyone here cis. I haven't been rude or called anyone names. In my personal experience (personal!!! not saying you need to feel this way too!!!) I have never seen anyone threaten someone by calling them cis, or use cis in a demeaning way, or make fun of someone for being "cis". If you have personal experiences of this happening, feel free to share.

You literally wrote “You are not oppressed for being cis.” That is objectively calling people here who have said they consider “cis” a slur by that slur.

And that is calling names. When you address someone by a term they have said is a slur, that is calling them names. I will never use the t-word because some (not all) transgender people consider it a slur. I consider cis a slur. And it is often used as one. Many, many women feel the way I do. If you choose to keep using it, you are no better than Mace.

You're right, I did technically call you cis, which I didn't realize earlier.

This might be the last thing I say (maybe) because I don't think we're getting anywhere. However, I still believe the word cis is not a slur. It isn't in its nature derogatory, and even though it can sometimes be used that way majority of the time it isn't. It wasn't created to demean a group of people, and it is very rarely used to do so. It is the opposite of the word trans, which is also not a slur. "Cis" people are also not by any means a minority, so even if it was derogatory I would put it in the same category as the word "cracker:" technically a slur, but it's about a group of people in power so it doesn't have the same effect. Still, cis is not used in a derogatory way vast majority of the time so I don't consider it a slur.

I have a feeling many of you would see a trans person say "I hate cis people" and think that is an example of cis being used as a slur. Someone saying "I hate trans people" doesn't make the word trans a slur. Neither of those statements are okay to say, but neither word is being used as a slur. Tr*nny strips away the humanity of a person. It's a noun, not an adjective.

I hope that made sense to you all. Believe it or not, I don't hate any of you, I just disagree with the idea that cis is a slur.

Let’s recap:

A subset of women on this thread (“thread women” for short): We consider cis a slur and experience it that way. We do not use the t-word, and Mace is wrong, but also please don’t slur us.

Transgender Poster: Let me tell you why you are wrong about what you think and are experiencing, as I know your own experiences better than you. Also, I’m going to call you cis although I know you consider it a slur.

Thread Women: As I said, please don’t call me cis. I consider it a slur. I don’t support what Mace did either.

Transgender Poster: I didn’t call you cis, and you are just wrong and I am right because I’ve never personally seen a woman slurred as cis before, and because I haven’t experienced it, that oppression doesn’t exist.

Thread Women: You literally did call us cis. Here is a direct quote.

Transgender Poster: Oh, my bad. Looks like I did call you cis after knowing that you consider cis a slur. Oh well. You are wrong anyhow. Now I’m going to write long paragraphs about how I know when women are oppressed, demeaned, and mistreated for being women much better than women themselves. Let me tell you how cis is totally fine even though women have said they experience it as a slur. But don’t worry, I’m totally not misogynist!

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My question to you: Do you honestly think women are not exceptionally well-tuned and well-trained in identifying when men are using words as slurs? Do you not think this is a survival instinct that has been honed for thousands of years? Why do you — someone obviously a transgender woman — think you get to tell us when we are being threatened and slurred? The arrogance and entitlement is off the charts.

I'm a transgender man. I haven't even medically transitioned, if it makes a difference to you. Cis is not a slur for women. It's a word to describe someone of ANY gender who has never changed their gender before. I don't claim to understand women's oppression more than any woman: but cis isn't a word for women. There are cis men and cis women, just like there are trans men and trans women.

Right. So as originally noted, your entitlement is off the charts.

Look, I can’t make you think about people other than yourself. I can only control my own actions and I’ll continue not to support Mace or use the T-word slur. You can continue to insist you know better than women when they are being slurred, and continue to use words that women experience as slurs. I expected as much, so that’s not a surprise.

I'm a little confused about the thinking here. I'm telling you why I think cis isn't a slur, which is my opinion. I'm also telling you the DEFINITION of cisgender: denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender. That's a fact, according to me and to oxford. You can believe cis is a slur all you want, but to argue it's a slur for women is objectively wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Straight white cis woman. It is not a slur. Your feelings are not reality, pp. Sorry if that disrupts your view of your mind as the arbiter of objective reality.

Some mentally fragile broads on the right, huh? It’s like all that religious indoctrination just melted their brains.

Those are slurs, PP. Although factual…

I voted for Harris and consider cis to be a slur, and I am an atheist.

It’s always so shocking how quickly the vicious misogyny pours out of trans activists when they encounter an opinion from a woman they don’t like.

Based on what is 'cis' a slur? Do you also think "straight" and "heterosexual" are slurs? Who told you it was a slur?

We are women. Calling us “cis” means we a subset, not actual women.

We are not men with estrogen. Stop taking away who we are to feel better about yourself.

Cis gendering is misgendering and a slur.

So you're saying "straight" women is also a slur because it's a subset, "heterosexual" is a slur because it's a subset, and so on?

Straight is a slur because normal is the right way to say it.

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I’m a white straight biological woman. That makes me a normal woman. Anything else is a slur. Prove me wrong and I’ll show you the definition in the dictionary.

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Anonymous wrote:Transgender person here! (Probably the only one on this thread) You all are straying too far from the original topic, Mace being unprofessional and rude, to needlessly bash on trans people. Just to clear things up: cis is not a slur, it's a Latin prefix meaning "on this side," opposite of trans, meaning "on the other side." Comparing Mace's childish use of an offensive slur to a Latin prefix is one of the most privileged opinions I have seen today. You are not oppressed for being cis.

Again with the entitlement.

How am I entitled?

Women: People are using “cis” as a slur, using it to threaten us, we consider it is a slur.

Transgender poster: “Cis is not a slur.” Proceeds to call women who have said they consider it a slur “cis.”

If that isn’t profound entitlement, I don’t know what is. And for what it’s worth, I agree with you about Mace. She is being unprofessional and rude. But you are also being rude, and extremely entitled.

I haven't called anyone here cis. I haven't been rude or called anyone names. In my personal experience (personal!!! not saying you need to feel this way too!!!) I have never seen anyone threaten someone by calling them cis, or use cis in a demeaning way, or make fun of someone for being "cis". If you have personal experiences of this happening, feel free to share.

You literally wrote “You are not oppressed for being cis.” That is objectively calling people here who have said they consider “cis” a slur by that slur.

And that is calling names. When you address someone by a term they have said is a slur, that is calling them names. I will never use the t-word because some (not all) transgender people consider it a slur. I consider cis a slur. And it is often used as one. Many, many women feel the way I do. If you choose to keep using it, you are no better than Mace.

You're right, I did technically call you cis, which I didn't realize earlier.

This might be the last thing I say (maybe) because I don't think we're getting anywhere. However, I still believe the word cis is not a slur. It isn't in its nature derogatory, and even though it can sometimes be used that way majority of the time it isn't. It wasn't created to demean a group of people, and it is very rarely used to do so. It is the opposite of the word trans, which is also not a slur. "Cis" people are also not by any means a minority, so even if it was derogatory I would put it in the same category as the word "cracker:" technically a slur, but it's about a group of people in power so it doesn't have the same effect. Still, cis is not used in a derogatory way vast majority of the time so I don't consider it a slur.

I have a feeling many of you would see a trans person say "I hate cis people" and think that is an example of cis being used as a slur. Someone saying "I hate trans people" doesn't make the word trans a slur. Neither of those statements are okay to say, but neither word is being used as a slur. Tr*nny strips away the humanity of a person. It's a noun, not an adjective.

I hope that made sense to you all. Believe it or not, I don't hate any of you, I just disagree with the idea that cis is a slur.

Let’s recap:

A subset of women on this thread (“thread women” for short): We consider cis a slur and experience it that way. We do not use the t-word, and Mace is wrong, but also please don’t slur us.

Transgender Poster: Let me tell you why you are wrong about what you think and are experiencing, as I know your own experiences better than you. Also, I’m going to call you cis although I know you consider it a slur.

Thread Women: As I said, please don’t call me cis. I consider it a slur. I don’t support what Mace did either.

Transgender Poster: I didn’t call you cis, and you are just wrong and I am right because I’ve never personally seen a woman slurred as cis before, and because I haven’t experienced it, that oppression doesn’t exist.

Thread Women: You literally did call us cis. Here is a direct quote.

Transgender Poster: Oh, my bad. Looks like I did call you cis after knowing that you consider cis a slur. Oh well. You are wrong anyhow. Now I’m going to write long paragraphs about how I know when women are oppressed, demeaned, and mistreated for being women much better than women themselves. Let me tell you how cis is totally fine even though women have said they experience it as a slur. But don’t worry, I’m totally not misogynist!

—

My question to you: Do you honestly think women are not exceptionally well-tuned and well-trained in identifying when men are using words as slurs? Do you not think this is a survival instinct that has been honed for thousands of years? Why do you — someone obviously a transgender woman — think you get to tell us when we are being threatened and slurred? The arrogance and entitlement is off the charts.

I'm a transgender man. I haven't even medically transitioned, if it makes a difference to you. Cis is not a slur for women. It's a word to describe someone of ANY gender who has never changed their gender before. I don't claim to understand women's oppression more than any woman: but cis isn't a word for women. There are cis men and cis women, just like there are trans men and trans women.

Right. So as originally noted, your entitlement is off the charts.

Look, I can’t make you think about people other than yourself. I can only control my own actions and I’ll continue not to support Mace or use the T-word slur. You can continue to insist you know better than women when they are being slurred, and continue to use words that women experience as slurs. I expected as much, so that’s not a surprise.

I'm a little confused about the thinking here. I'm telling you why I think cis isn't a slur, which is my opinion. I'm also telling you the DEFINITION of cisgender: denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender. That's a fact, according to me and to oxford. You can believe cis is a slur all you want, but to argue it's a slur for women is objectively wrong.

So you would be fine with people who use “queer” as a slur because the terminology accurate under the dictionary definition, then?

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Anonymous wrote:Transgender person here! (Probably the only one on this thread) You all are straying too far from the original topic, Mace being unprofessional and rude, to needlessly bash on trans people. Just to clear things up: cis is not a slur, it's a Latin prefix meaning "on this side," opposite of trans, meaning "on the other side." Comparing Mace's childish use of an offensive slur to a Latin prefix is one of the most privileged opinions I have seen today. You are not oppressed for being cis.

Again with the entitlement.

How am I entitled?

Women: People are using “cis” as a slur, using it to threaten us, we consider it is a slur.

Transgender poster: “Cis is not a slur.” Proceeds to call women who have said they consider it a slur “cis.”

If that isn’t profound entitlement, I don’t know what is. And for what it’s worth, I agree with you about Mace. She is being unprofessional and rude. But you are also being rude, and extremely entitled.

I haven't called anyone here cis. I haven't been rude or called anyone names. In my personal experience (personal!!! not saying you need to feel this way too!!!) I have never seen anyone threaten someone by calling them cis, or use cis in a demeaning way, or make fun of someone for being "cis". If you have personal experiences of this happening, feel free to share.

You literally wrote “You are not oppressed for being cis.” That is objectively calling people here who have said they consider “cis” a slur by that slur.

And that is calling names. When you address someone by a term they have said is a slur, that is calling them names. I will never use the t-word because some (not all) transgender people consider it a slur. I consider cis a slur. And it is often used as one. Many, many women feel the way I do. If you choose to keep using it, you are no better than Mace.

You're right, I did technically call you cis, which I didn't realize earlier.

This might be the last thing I say (maybe) because I don't think we're getting anywhere. However, I still believe the word cis is not a slur. It isn't in its nature derogatory, and even though it can sometimes be used that way majority of the time it isn't. It wasn't created to demean a group of people, and it is very rarely used to do so. It is the opposite of the word trans, which is also not a slur. "Cis" people are also not by any means a minority, so even if it was derogatory I would put it in the same category as the word "cracker:" technically a slur, but it's about a group of people in power so it doesn't have the same effect. Still, cis is not used in a derogatory way vast majority of the time so I don't consider it a slur.

I have a feeling many of you would see a trans person say "I hate cis people" and think that is an example of cis being used as a slur. Someone saying "I hate trans people" doesn't make the word trans a slur. Neither of those statements are okay to say, but neither word is being used as a slur. Tr*nny strips away the humanity of a person. It's a noun, not an adjective.

I hope that made sense to you all. Believe it or not, I don't hate any of you, I just disagree with the idea that cis is a slur.

Let’s recap:

A subset of women on this thread (“thread women” for short): We consider cis a slur and experience it that way. We do not use the t-word, and Mace is wrong, but also please don’t slur us.

Transgender Poster: Let me tell you why you are wrong about what you think and are experiencing, as I know your own experiences better than you. Also, I’m going to call you cis although I know you consider it a slur.

Thread Women: As I said, please don’t call me cis. I consider it a slur. I don’t support what Mace did either.

Transgender Poster: I didn’t call you cis, and you are just wrong and I am right because I’ve never personally seen a woman slurred as cis before, and because I haven’t experienced it, that oppression doesn’t exist.

Thread Women: You literally did call us cis. Here is a direct quote.

Transgender Poster: Oh, my bad. Looks like I did call you cis after knowing that you consider cis a slur. Oh well. You are wrong anyhow. Now I’m going to write long paragraphs about how I know when women are oppressed, demeaned, and mistreated for being women much better than women themselves. Let me tell you how cis is totally fine even though women have said they experience it as a slur. But don’t worry, I’m totally not misogynist!

—

My question to you: Do you honestly think women are not exceptionally well-tuned and well-trained in identifying when men are using words as slurs? Do you not think this is a survival instinct that has been honed for thousands of years? Why do you — someone obviously a transgender woman — think you get to tell us when we are being threatened and slurred? The arrogance and entitlement is off the charts.

I'm a transgender man. I haven't even medically transitioned, if it makes a difference to you. Cis is not a slur for women. It's a word to describe someone of ANY gender who has never changed their gender before. I don't claim to understand women's oppression more than any woman: but cis isn't a word for women. There are cis men and cis women, just like there are trans men and trans women.

Right. So as originally noted, your entitlement is off the charts.

Look, I can’t make you think about people other than yourself. I can only control my own actions and I’ll continue not to support Mace or use the T-word slur. You can continue to insist you know better than women when they are being slurred, and continue to use words that women experience as slurs. I expected as much, so that’s not a surprise.

I'm a little confused about the thinking here. I'm telling you why I think cis isn't a slur, which is my opinion. I'm also telling you the DEFINITION of cisgender: denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender. That's a fact, according to me and to oxford. You can believe cis is a slur all you want, but to argue it's a slur for women is objectively wrong.

So you would be fine with people who use “queer” as a slur because the terminology accurate under the dictionary definition, then?

I am fine with people being called queer people/queer men/queer women because it is a description the same way cis is. I don't really consider queer a slur anymore, but if someone called me "a queer" I would be a little offended. If someone said that they hate queer people, it would be homophobic but wouldn't make the word queer a slur.

I think a big thing you all are missing is that "cis/trans man" or "cis/trans woman" has more humanity than "tr*nny."

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a white straight biological woman. That makes me a normal woman. Anything else is a slur. Prove me wrong and I’ll show you the definition in the dictionary.

This is the issue. The word "woman" does not need a modifier when referring to 99% of the population. The only terms necessary are woman and transwoman. The difference between the two is abundantly clear.

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Anonymous wrote:Transgender person here! (Probably the only one on this thread) You all are straying too far from the original topic, Mace being unprofessional and rude, to needlessly bash on trans people. Just to clear things up: cis is not a slur, it's a Latin prefix meaning "on this side," opposite of trans, meaning "on the other side." Comparing Mace's childish use of an offensive slur to a Latin prefix is one of the most privileged opinions I have seen today. You are not oppressed for being cis.

Again with the entitlement.

How am I entitled?

Women: People are using “cis” as a slur, using it to threaten us, we consider it is a slur.

Transgender poster: “Cis is not a slur.” Proceeds to call women who have said they consider it a slur “cis.”

If that isn’t profound entitlement, I don’t know what is. And for what it’s worth, I agree with you about Mace. She is being unprofessional and rude. But you are also being rude, and extremely entitled.

I haven't called anyone here cis. I haven't been rude or called anyone names. In my personal experience (personal!!! not saying you need to feel this way too!!!) I have never seen anyone threaten someone by calling them cis, or use cis in a demeaning way, or make fun of someone for being "cis". If you have personal experiences of this happening, feel free to share.

You literally wrote “You are not oppressed for being cis.” That is objectively calling people here who have said they consider “cis” a slur by that slur.

And that is calling names. When you address someone by a term they have said is a slur, that is calling them names. I will never use the t-word because some (not all) transgender people consider it a slur. I consider cis a slur. And it is often used as one. Many, many women feel the way I do. If you choose to keep using it, you are no better than Mace.

You're right, I did technically call you cis, which I didn't realize earlier.

This might be the last thing I say (maybe) because I don't think we're getting anywhere. However, I still believe the word cis is not a slur. It isn't in its nature derogatory, and even though it can sometimes be used that way majority of the time it isn't. It wasn't created to demean a group of people, and it is very rarely used to do so. It is the opposite of the word trans, which is also not a slur. "Cis" people are also not by any means a minority, so even if it was derogatory I would put it in the same category as the word "cracker:" technically a slur, but it's about a group of people in power so it doesn't have the same effect. Still, cis is not used in a derogatory way vast majority of the time so I don't consider it a slur.

I have a feeling many of you would see a trans person say "I hate cis people" and think that is an example of cis being used as a slur. Someone saying "I hate trans people" doesn't make the word trans a slur. Neither of those statements are okay to say, but neither word is being used as a slur. Tr*nny strips away the humanity of a person. It's a noun, not an adjective.

I hope that made sense to you all. Believe it or not, I don't hate any of you, I just disagree with the idea that cis is a slur.

Let’s recap:

A subset of women on this thread (“thread women” for short): We consider cis a slur and experience it that way. We do not use the t-word, and Mace is wrong, but also please don’t slur us.

Transgender Poster: Let me tell you why you are wrong about what you think and are experiencing, as I know your own experiences better than you. Also, I’m going to call you cis although I know you consider it a slur.

Thread Women: As I said, please don’t call me cis. I consider it a slur. I don’t support what Mace did either.

Transgender Poster: I didn’t call you cis, and you are just wrong and I am right because I’ve never personally seen a woman slurred as cis before, and because I haven’t experienced it, that oppression doesn’t exist.

Thread Women: You literally did call us cis. Here is a direct quote.

Transgender Poster: Oh, my bad. Looks like I did call you cis after knowing that you consider cis a slur. Oh well. You are wrong anyhow. Now I’m going to write long paragraphs about how I know when women are oppressed, demeaned, and mistreated for being women much better than women themselves. Let me tell you how cis is totally fine even though women have said they experience it as a slur. But don’t worry, I’m totally not misogynist!

—

My question to you: Do you honestly think women are not exceptionally well-tuned and well-trained in identifying when men are using words as slurs? Do you not think this is a survival instinct that has been honed for thousands of years? Why do you — someone obviously a transgender woman — think you get to tell us when we are being threatened and slurred? The arrogance and entitlement is off the charts.

I'm a transgender man. I haven't even medically transitioned, if it makes a difference to you. Cis is not a slur for women. It's a word to describe someone of ANY gender who has never changed their gender before. I don't claim to understand women's oppression more than any woman: but cis isn't a word for women. There are cis men and cis women, just like there are trans men and trans women.

Right. So as originally noted, your entitlement is off the charts.

Look, I can’t make you think about people other than yourself. I can only control my own actions and I’ll continue not to support Mace or use the T-word slur. You can continue to insist you know better than women when they are being slurred, and continue to use words that women experience as slurs. I expected as much, so that’s not a surprise.

I'm a little confused about the thinking here. I'm telling you why I think cis isn't a slur, which is my opinion. I'm also telling you the DEFINITION of cisgender: denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender. That's a fact, according to me and to oxford. You can believe cis is a slur all you want, but to argue it's a slur for women is objectively wrong.

The modifier cis is wholly unnecessary.

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Anonymous wrote:Transgender person here! (Probably the only one on this thread) You all are straying too far from the original topic, Mace being unprofessional and rude, to needlessly bash on trans people. Just to clear things up: cis is not a slur, it's a Latin prefix meaning "on this side," opposite of trans, meaning "on the other side." Comparing Mace's childish use of an offensive slur to a Latin prefix is one of the most privileged opinions I have seen today. You are not oppressed for being cis.

Again with the entitlement.

How am I entitled?

Women: People are using “cis” as a slur, using it to threaten us, we consider it is a slur.

Transgender poster: “Cis is not a slur.” Proceeds to call women who have said they consider it a slur “cis.”

If that isn’t profound entitlement, I don’t know what is. And for what it’s worth, I agree with you about Mace. She is being unprofessional and rude. But you are also being rude, and extremely entitled.

I haven't called anyone here cis. I haven't been rude or called anyone names. In my personal experience (personal!!! not saying you need to feel this way too!!!) I have never seen anyone threaten someone by calling them cis, or use cis in a demeaning way, or make fun of someone for being "cis". If you have personal experiences of this happening, feel free to share.

You literally wrote “You are not oppressed for being cis.” That is objectively calling people here who have said they consider “cis” a slur by that slur.

And that is calling names. When you address someone by a term they have said is a slur, that is calling them names. I will never use the t-word because some (not all) transgender people consider it a slur. I consider cis a slur. And it is often used as one. Many, many women feel the way I do. If you choose to keep using it, you are no better than Mace.

You're right, I did technically call you cis, which I didn't realize earlier.

This might be the last thing I say (maybe) because I don't think we're getting anywhere. However, I still believe the word cis is not a slur. It isn't in its nature derogatory, and even though it can sometimes be used that way majority of the time it isn't. It wasn't created to demean a group of people, and it is very rarely used to do so. It is the opposite of the word trans, which is also not a slur. "Cis" people are also not by any means a minority, so even if it was derogatory I would put it in the same category as the word "cracker:" technically a slur, but it's about a group of people in power so it doesn't have the same effect. Still, cis is not used in a derogatory way vast majority of the time so I don't consider it a slur.

I have a feeling many of you would see a trans person say "I hate cis people" and think that is an example of cis being used as a slur. Someone saying "I hate trans people" doesn't make the word trans a slur. Neither of those statements are okay to say, but neither word is being used as a slur. Tr*nny strips away the humanity of a person. It's a noun, not an adjective.

I hope that made sense to you all. Believe it or not, I don't hate any of you, I just disagree with the idea that cis is a slur.

Let’s recap:

A subset of women on this thread (“thread women” for short): We consider cis a slur and experience it that way. We do not use the t-word, and Mace is wrong, but also please don’t slur us.

Transgender Poster: Let me tell you why you are wrong about what you think and are experiencing, as I know your own experiences better than you. Also, I’m going to call you cis although I know you consider it a slur.

Thread Women: As I said, please don’t call me cis. I consider it a slur. I don’t support what Mace did either.

Transgender Poster: I didn’t call you cis, and you are just wrong and I am right because I’ve never personally seen a woman slurred as cis before, and because I haven’t experienced it, that oppression doesn’t exist.

Thread Women: You literally did call us cis. Here is a direct quote.

Transgender Poster: Oh, my bad. Looks like I did call you cis after knowing that you consider cis a slur. Oh well. You are wrong anyhow. Now I’m going to write long paragraphs about how I know when women are oppressed, demeaned, and mistreated for being women much better than women themselves. Let me tell you how cis is totally fine even though women have said they experience it as a slur. But don’t worry, I’m totally not misogynist!

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My question to you: Do you honestly think women are not exceptionally well-tuned and well-trained in identifying when men are using words as slurs? Do you not think this is a survival instinct that has been honed for thousands of years? Why do you — someone obviously a transgender woman — think you get to tell us when we are being threatened and slurred? The arrogance and entitlement is off the charts.

I'm a transgender man. I haven't even medically transitioned, if it makes a difference to you. Cis is not a slur for women. It's a word to describe someone of ANY gender who has never changed their gender before. I don't claim to understand women's oppression more than any woman: but cis isn't a word for women. There are cis men and cis women, just like there are trans men and trans women.

Right. So as originally noted, your entitlement is off the charts.

Look, I can’t make you think about people other than yourself. I can only control my own actions and I’ll continue not to support Mace or use the T-word slur. You can continue to insist you know better than women when they are being slurred, and continue to use words that women experience as slurs. I expected as much, so that’s not a surprise.

I'm a little confused about the thinking here. I'm telling you why I think cis isn't a slur, which is my opinion. I'm also telling you the DEFINITION of cisgender: denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender. That's a fact, according to me and to oxford. You can believe cis is a slur all you want, but to argue it's a slur for women is objectively wrong.

So you would be fine with people who use “queer” as a slur because the terminology accurate under the dictionary definition, then?

I am fine with people being called queer people/queer men/queer women because it is a description the same way cis is. I don't really consider queer a slur anymore, but if someone called me "a queer" I would be a little offended. If someone said that they hate queer people, it would be homophobic but wouldn't make the word queer a slur.

I think a big thing you all are missing is that "cis/trans man" or "cis/trans woman" has more humanity than "tr*nny."

You avoided the exact question I asked, so I will ask again. Are you fine with people who use queer as a slur because they used it correctly as the dictionary says when they were slurring you?

That is what you are saying is okay, so I want to know if you are okay when it happens to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how the trans haters morphed the thread from a Congresswoman using slurs for all the country to see to a bunch of local transphobes screaming that they’re being f discriminated against. The 99% are the real victims. Maybe if you just kill the tr@nines you can be happy.

It’s remarkable how in a thread about not using slurs, and how it’s wrong to use slurs (and it is wrong, and Mace is wrong), the trans advocates have been the people primarily using slurs in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Transgender person here! (Probably the only one on this thread) You all are straying too far from the original topic, Mace being unprofessional and rude, to needlessly bash on trans people. Just to clear things up: cis is not a slur, it's a Latin prefix meaning "on this side," opposite of trans, meaning "on the other side." Comparing Mace's childish use of an offensive slur to a Latin prefix is one of the most privileged opinions I have seen today. You are not oppressed for being cis.

Again with the entitlement.

How am I entitled?

Women: People are using “cis” as a slur, using it to threaten us, we consider it is a slur.

Transgender poster: “Cis is not a slur.” Proceeds to call women who have said they consider it a slur “cis.”

If that isn’t profound entitlement, I don’t know what is. And for what it’s worth, I agree with you about Mace. She is being unprofessional and rude. But you are also being rude, and extremely entitled.

I haven't called anyone here cis. I haven't been rude or called anyone names. In my personal experience (personal!!! not saying you need to feel this way too!!!) I have never seen anyone threaten someone by calling them cis, or use cis in a demeaning way, or make fun of someone for being "cis". If you have personal experiences of this happening, feel free to share.

You literally wrote “You are not oppressed for being cis.” That is objectively calling people here who have said they consider “cis” a slur by that slur.

And that is calling names. When you address someone by a term they have said is a slur, that is calling them names. I will never use the t-word because some (not all) transgender people consider it a slur. I consider cis a slur. And it is often used as one. Many, many women feel the way I do. If you choose to keep using it, you are no better than Mace.

You're right, I did technically call you cis, which I didn't realize earlier.

This might be the last thing I say (maybe) because I don't think we're getting anywhere. However, I still believe the word cis is not a slur. It isn't in its nature derogatory, and even though it can sometimes be used that way majority of the time it isn't. It wasn't created to demean a group of people, and it is very rarely used to do so. It is the opposite of the word trans, which is also not a slur. "Cis" people are also not by any means a minority, so even if it was derogatory I would put it in the same category as the word "cracker:" technically a slur, but it's about a group of people in power so it doesn't have the same effect. Still, cis is not used in a derogatory way vast majority of the time so I don't consider it a slur.

I have a feeling many of you would see a trans person say "I hate cis people" and think that is an example of cis being used as a slur. Someone saying "I hate trans people" doesn't make the word trans a slur. Neither of those statements are okay to say, but neither word is being used as a slur. Tr*nny strips away the humanity of a person. It's a noun, not an adjective.

I hope that made sense to you all. Believe it or not, I don't hate any of you, I just disagree with the idea that cis is a slur.

Let’s recap:

A subset of women on this thread (“thread women” for short): We consider cis a slur and experience it that way. We do not use the t-word, and Mace is wrong, but also please don’t slur us.

Transgender Poster: Let me tell you why you are wrong about what you think and are experiencing, as I know your own experiences better than you. Also, I’m going to call you cis although I know you consider it a slur.

Thread Women: As I said, please don’t call me cis. I consider it a slur. I don’t support what Mace did either.

Transgender Poster: I didn’t call you cis, and you are just wrong and I am right because I’ve never personally seen a woman slurred as cis before, and because I haven’t experienced it, that oppression doesn’t exist.

Thread Women: You literally did call us cis. Here is a direct quote.

Transgender Poster: Oh, my bad. Looks like I did call you cis after knowing that you consider cis a slur. Oh well. You are wrong anyhow. Now I’m going to write long paragraphs about how I know when women are oppressed, demeaned, and mistreated for being women much better than women themselves. Let me tell you how cis is totally fine even though women have said they experience it as a slur. But don’t worry, I’m totally not misogynist!

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My question to you: Do you honestly think women are not exceptionally well-tuned and well-trained in identifying when men are using words as slurs? Do you not think this is a survival instinct that has been honed for thousands of years? Why do you — someone obviously a transgender woman — think you get to tell us when we are being threatened and slurred? The arrogance and entitlement is off the charts.

I'm a transgender man. I haven't even medically transitioned, if it makes a difference to you. Cis is not a slur for women. It's a word to describe someone of ANY gender who has never changed their gender before. I don't claim to understand women's oppression more than any woman: but cis isn't a word for women. There are cis men and cis women, just like there are trans men and trans women.

Right. So as originally noted, your entitlement is off the charts.

Look, I can’t make you think about people other than yourself. I can only control my own actions and I’ll continue not to support Mace or use the T-word slur. You can continue to insist you know better than women when they are being slurred, and continue to use words that women experience as slurs. I expected as much, so that’s not a surprise.

I'm a little confused about the thinking here. I'm telling you why I think cis isn't a slur, which is my opinion. I'm also telling you the DEFINITION of cisgender: denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender. That's a fact, according to me and to oxford. You can believe cis is a slur all you want, but to argue it's a slur for women is objectively wrong.

So you would be fine with people who use “queer” as a slur because the terminology accurate under the dictionary definition, then?

I am fine with people being called queer people/queer men/queer women because it is a description the same way cis is. I don't really consider queer a slur anymore, but if someone called me "a queer" I would be a little offended. If someone said that they hate queer people, it would be homophobic but wouldn't make the word queer a slur.

I think a big thing you all are missing is that "cis/trans man" or "cis/trans woman" has more humanity than "tr*nny."

You avoided the exact question I asked, so I will ask again. Are you fine with people who use queer as a slur because they used it correctly as the dictionary says when they were slurring you?

That is what you are saying is okay, so I want to know if you are okay when it happens to you.

I'm confused what you are asking. If someone called me queer using the word the way the dictionary defines it, I would be fine with it if it was an adjective. If it's a noun it's kind of strange. ("a queer person" vs "a queer") I don't think it's okay to use queer as a slur. I don't think it's okay to use cis as a slur either. But neither word is automatically a slur. If they are used offensively, that is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Transgender person here! (Probably the only one on this thread) You all are straying too far from the original topic, Mace being unprofessional and rude, to needlessly bash on trans people. Just to clear things up: cis is not a slur, it's a Latin prefix meaning "on this side," opposite of trans, meaning "on the other side." Comparing Mace's childish use of an offensive slur to a Latin prefix is one of the most privileged opinions I have seen today. You are not oppressed for being cis.

Again with the entitlement.

How am I entitled?

Women: People are using “cis” as a slur, using it to threaten us, we consider it is a slur.

Transgender poster: “Cis is not a slur.” Proceeds to call women who have said they consider it a slur “cis.”

If that isn’t profound entitlement, I don’t know what is. And for what it’s worth, I agree with you about Mace. She is being unprofessional and rude. But you are also being rude, and extremely entitled.

I haven't called anyone here cis. I haven't been rude or called anyone names. In my personal experience (personal!!! not saying you need to feel this way too!!!) I have never seen anyone threaten someone by calling them cis, or use cis in a demeaning way, or make fun of someone for being "cis". If you have personal experiences of this happening, feel free to share.

You literally wrote “You are not oppressed for being cis.” That is objectively calling people here who have said they consider “cis” a slur by that slur.

And that is calling names. When you address someone by a term they have said is a slur, that is calling them names. I will never use the t-word because some (not all) transgender people consider it a slur. I consider cis a slur. And it is often used as one. Many, many women feel the way I do. If you choose to keep using it, you are no better than Mace.

You're right, I did technically call you cis, which I didn't realize earlier.

This might be the last thing I say (maybe) because I don't think we're getting anywhere. However, I still believe the word cis is not a slur. It isn't in its nature derogatory, and even though it can sometimes be used that way majority of the time it isn't. It wasn't created to demean a group of people, and it is very rarely used to do so. It is the opposite of the word trans, which is also not a slur. "Cis" people are also not by any means a minority, so even if it was derogatory I would put it in the same category as the word "cracker:" technically a slur, but it's about a group of people in power so it doesn't have the same effect. Still, cis is not used in a derogatory way vast majority of the time so I don't consider it a slur.

I have a feeling many of you would see a trans person say "I hate cis people" and think that is an example of cis being used as a slur. Someone saying "I hate trans people" doesn't make the word trans a slur. Neither of those statements are okay to say, but neither word is being used as a slur. Tr*nny strips away the humanity of a person. It's a noun, not an adjective.

I hope that made sense to you all. Believe it or not, I don't hate any of you, I just disagree with the idea that cis is a slur.

Let’s recap:

A subset of women on this thread (“thread women” for short): We consider cis a slur and experience it that way. We do not use the t-word, and Mace is wrong, but also please don’t slur us.

Transgender Poster: Let me tell you why you are wrong about what you think and are experiencing, as I know your own experiences better than you. Also, I’m going to call you cis although I know you consider it a slur.

Thread Women: As I said, please don’t call me cis. I consider it a slur. I don’t support what Mace did either.

Transgender Poster: I didn’t call you cis, and you are just wrong and I am right because I’ve never personally seen a woman slurred as cis before, and because I haven’t experienced it, that oppression doesn’t exist.

Thread Women: You literally did call us cis. Here is a direct quote.

Transgender Poster: Oh, my bad. Looks like I did call you cis after knowing that you consider cis a slur. Oh well. You are wrong anyhow. Now I’m going to write long paragraphs about how I know when women are oppressed, demeaned, and mistreated for being women much better than women themselves. Let me tell you how cis is totally fine even though women have said they experience it as a slur. But don’t worry, I’m totally not misogynist!

—

My question to you: Do you honestly think women are not exceptionally well-tuned and well-trained in identifying when men are using words as slurs? Do you not think this is a survival instinct that has been honed for thousands of years? Why do you — someone obviously a transgender woman — think you get to tell us when we are being threatened and slurred? The arrogance and entitlement is off the charts.

I'm a transgender man. I haven't even medically transitioned, if it makes a difference to you. Cis is not a slur for women. It's a word to describe someone of ANY gender who has never changed their gender before. I don't claim to understand women's oppression more than any woman: but cis isn't a word for women. There are cis men and cis women, just like there are trans men and trans women.

Right. So as originally noted, your entitlement is off the charts.

Look, I can’t make you think about people other than yourself. I can only control my own actions and I’ll continue not to support Mace or use the T-word slur. You can continue to insist you know better than women when they are being slurred, and continue to use words that women experience as slurs. I expected as much, so that’s not a surprise.

I'm a little confused about the thinking here. I'm telling you why I think cis isn't a slur, which is my opinion. I'm also telling you the DEFINITION of cisgender: denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them at birth; not transgender. That's a fact, according to me and to oxford. You can believe cis is a slur all you want, but to argue it's a slur for women is objectively wrong.

So you would be fine with people who use “queer” as a slur because the terminology accurate under the dictionary definition, then?

I am fine with people being called queer people/queer men/queer women because it is a description the same way cis is. I don't really consider queer a slur anymore, but if someone called me "a queer" I would be a little offended. If someone said that they hate queer people, it would be homophobic but wouldn't make the word queer a slur.

I think a big thing you all are missing is that "cis/trans man" or "cis/trans woman" has more humanity than "tr*nny."

You avoided the exact question I asked, so I will ask again. Are you fine with people who use queer as a slur because they used it correctly as the dictionary says when they were slurring you?

That is what you are saying is okay, so I want to know if you are okay when it happens to you.

I'm confused what you are asking. If someone called me queer using the word the way the dictionary defines it, I would be fine with it if it was an adjective. If it's a noun it's kind of strange. ("a queer person" vs "a queer") I don't think it's okay to use queer as a slur. I don't think it's okay to use cis as a slur either. But neither word is automatically a slur. If they are used offensively, that is wrong.

This. Context is everything. I'd argue that that also goes for the term Mace used. The first time she used it...I would have given her the benefit of the doubt...and while perhaps rude and insulting, not necessarily a slur. I say that because just like Comer (in his response to Connolly's inquiry about the slur breaking decorum rules) who stated "I will be honest I'm not up to date on my politically correct LGBTQ terminology"....I honestly would not guess it was a slur. Rather...I'd say it was simply a slang/abbreviated term. People forget that LGBTQ represents less than 2% of the population and unless you have a family member or close circle of friends in that circle you would likely never know it was seen as a slur.

That being said, after Connolly chastised her she got petty and went off repeating it 3 times in a row. That blurred my benefit of the doubt and made me wonder if it crossed into slur territory. I do wish Connolly had just let it go after Comer's response.

Then this thread went sideways with the whole "cis" is a slur. I really wish people would think and do some research before posting on DCUM. I really wish everyone would stop conflating "gender referring to sex" and "gender referring to gender identity". I'd go so far as to stop using the term gender without being clear on whether you are referencing "sex" or "gender identity".

Male and female refer to sex, not gender/gender identity. Gender identity is a social construct that includes the roles, behaviors, and expectations associated with being a man, woman, boy, or girl. The term "cis" is simply a term related to gender identity. While not a slur, I would argue that "cis" is simply not necessary. I mean what's the point of using "cis"?

"Cis" gender simply means that the gender identity of being a man, woman, boy, or girl matches the sex. Man/Boy=Male and Woman/Girl=Female. As noted above...less than 2% of the population are other than "cis" - therefore I'd argue that it's pointless to use "cis". This is about heteronormativity - the idea that the male/female gender binary is the norm. Well...I'm sorry to burst everyone's bubble...but as the majority of the population is the male/female gender binary...it is the norm. And to be clear the definition of norm is "something that is usual, typical, or standard." That does not mean in any way that gender identities outside of the norm is "abnormal" - the opposite of "norm" is "the exception". Nothing wrong with being the exception.

I'm not a Trump supporter/voter. I voted for Harris. But honestly, IMHO the deep-rooted issue that the majority of the country has a problem with (and why many either voted for Trump, voted 3rd party or didn't vote) is the very valid and well-grounded perception that the extremists who took over the Democratic party have a hidden agenda/goal to erase the male/female gender binary as the norm. This is what Trump voters, including many Harris voters like me and many who didn't vote, honestly will not ever support. This does not make us anti-trans bigots. But this right here is demonstrative of how Trump (and many other non-Trump voters) feel.

So...if you wonder why there isn't widespread objection to Trump's EO on this matter...it's because there is rather widespread support for the fundamental support that the male/female gender binary is the norm. This is not anti-trans in any way.

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Anonymous wrote:Straight white cis woman. It is not a slur. Your feelings are not reality, pp. Sorry if that disrupts your view of your mind as the arbiter of objective reality.

Some mentally fragile broads on the right, huh? It’s like all that religious indoctrination just melted their brains.

Those are slurs, PP. Although factual…

I voted for Harris and consider cis to be a slur, and I am an atheist.

It’s always so shocking how quickly the vicious misogyny pours out of trans activists when they encounter an opinion from a woman they don’t like.

Based on what is 'cis' a slur? Do you also think "straight" and "heterosexual" are slurs? Who told you it was a slur?

We are women. Calling us “cis” means we a subset, not actual women.

We are not men with estrogen. Stop taking away who we are to feel better about yourself.

Cis gendering is misgendering and a slur.

So you're saying "straight" women is also a slur because it's a subset, "heterosexual" is a slur because it's a subset, and so on?

Straight is a slur because normal is the right way to say it.

urgh you are the worst of america.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a white straight biological woman. That makes me a normal woman. Anything else is a slur. Prove me wrong and I’ll show you the definition in the dictionary.

This is the issue. The word "woman" does not need a modifier when referring to 99% of the population. The only terms necessary are woman and transwoman. The difference between the two is abundantly clear.

This +100. See above post.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a white straight biological woman. That makes me a normal woman. Anything else is a slur. Prove me wrong and I’ll show you the definition in the dictionary.

This is the issue. The word "woman" does not need a modifier when referring to 99% of the population. The only terms necessary are woman and transwoman. The difference between the two is abundantly clear.

I agree very much that the word woman doesn't need a modifier. Usually it doesn't have one, thankfully.

I do however think the word cis can be necessary when transgender people are talking about their experiences. "When people think I'm cis..." or "I didn't have this problem when I was cis" or "A lot of cis people don't realize this about trans people," etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a white straight biological woman. That makes me a normal woman. Anything else is a slur. Prove me wrong and I’ll show you the definition in the dictionary.

This is the issue. The word "woman" does not need a modifier when referring to 99% of the population. The only terms necessary are woman and transwoman. The difference between the two is abundantly clear.

I agree very much that the word woman doesn't need a modifier. Usually it doesn't have one, thankfully.

I do however think the word cis can be necessary when transgender people are talking about their experiences. "When people think I'm cis..." or "I didn't have this problem when I was cis" or "A lot of cis people don't realize this about trans people," etc.

Agree 100%. It's a regular term that should be used as necessary. It's not a slur...BUT neither should it be a term used every single time as the norm to refer to oneself. If people want to use "cis" fine...but I won't be using it when referring to myself as a woman. It should be understood as the norm that anyone referring to themselves as a woman is referring to being a female. If they are not female they are a transwoman. This is as it should be and trying to change that will not garner the support of the majority of this nation.