Immigration - how is it such a huge issue in this race?

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe someone started a thread asking why immigration is a huge issue in this race. It boggles the mind that someone can’t understand why such a huge task of the federal government would be a concern to voters. Are DC liberals this out of touch with the mainstream?!

Not in DC. Where is it that you live that you are personally so affected?

Alexandria, Virginia. Illegal immigrants (and those brought here under the admins insane TPS programs) have degraded this City and is crushing our public services and infrastructure. But, I agree that DC proper’s abject failure to address crime by US citizens personally affects more people in DC than the illegal immigrant invasion.

How has it affected you?

The answer is literally above, why are you pretending you can’t read it? Negative and stressing impacts on public services and infrastructure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

I think you’re lying. If you were truly a recent immigrant you’d know that immigrants are not ‘criminals’, they are those fleeing poverty and war and seeking a better life, just as you did. And my great grandparents did. My great grandfather was illegal.

Dp. What? Your great grandfather was very likely not illegal. He was probably vetted at the border, like many of our parents and grandparents were. My mother came over in the 1950’s. She was sponsored by her aunt. She had to have a sponsor who would assume responsibility for her so she would not be a burden on the state. She would not have been allowed to immigrate otherwise. That is a very different system than allowing anyone to cross the border and apply for asylum now.

Yes I was surprised to learn with my kid recently that a lot of people were actually turned away even at Ellis island. Some people think that America just accepted everyone back then and it was not the case. Even after they paid the large amount for their ticket here, they still had to show they could financially support themselves, that they were healthy (there was a huge list of things they looked for) and had high moral character.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

I think you’re lying. If you were truly a recent immigrant you’d know that immigrants are not ‘criminals’, they are those fleeing poverty and war and seeking a better life, just as you did. And my great grandparents did. My great grandfather was illegal.

Dp. What? Your great grandfather was very likely not illegal. He was probably vetted at the border, like many of our parents and grandparents were. My mother came over in the 1950’s. She was sponsored by her aunt. She had to have a sponsor who would assume responsibility for her so she would not be a burden on the state. She would not have been allowed to immigrate otherwise. That is a very different system than allowing anyone to cross the border and apply for asylum now.

Yes I was surprised to learn with my kid recently that a lot of people were actually turned away even at Ellis island. Some people think that America just accepted everyone back then and it was not the case. Even after they paid the large amount for their ticket here, they still had to show they could financially support themselves, that they were healthy (there was a huge list of things they looked for) and had high moral character.

+1 We took the Ellis island tour, too. Yes, they were sent back if they didn't pass the physical or didn't have a sponsor.

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Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

You must be a troll. Way to take one piece of what he said out of context. First, it was from a decade ago when unemployment rates were much higher. And he never said he was against immigration, only that he was against open borders as then there would be no concept of a nation state. He then went on to discuss all the policies that he wanted to see enacted including FREE college education at state universities, corporations and wealthy americans paying more, etc. But you ignore that part...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

You must be a troll. Way to take one piece of what he said out of context. First, it was from a decade ago when unemployment rates were much higher. And he never said he was against immigration, only that he was against open borders as then there would be no concept of a nation state. He then went on to discuss all the policies that he wanted to see enacted including FREE college education at state universities, corporations and wealthy americans paying more, etc. But you ignore that part...

ILLEGAL immigration

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

I think you’re lying. If you were truly a recent immigrant you’d know that immigrants are not ‘criminals’, they are those fleeing poverty and war and seeking a better life, just as you did. And my great grandparents did. My great grandfather was illegal.

Dp. What? Your great grandfather was very likely not illegal. He was probably vetted at the border, like many of our parents and grandparents were. My mother came over in the 1950’s. She was sponsored by her aunt. She had to have a sponsor who would assume responsibility for her so she would not be a burden on the state. She would not have been allowed to immigrate otherwise. That is a very different system than allowing anyone to cross the border and apply for asylum now.

Yes I was surprised to learn with my kid recently that a lot of people were actually turned away even at Ellis island. Some people think that America just accepted everyone back then and it was not the case. Even after they paid the large amount for their ticket here, they still had to show they could financially support themselves, that they were healthy (there was a huge list of things they looked for) and had high moral character.

+1 We took the Ellis island tour, too. Yes, they were sent back if they didn't pass the physical or didn't have a sponsor.

WRONG. This thread is now filled with trolls. My great grandfather was illegal fwiw. My other side's grandfather was legal and came through Ellis Island. There was none of the sponsorship and proving financial support that the posters here claim. That is a total lie. In fact, the Ellis Island medical exam was called the 'six second exam' because that's how long it took for doctors to screen people for a short list of issues that would make one ineligible for entry to the US. People were screened for obvious serious illnesses or mental deficiencies and only about 2% were sent back. The rest were screened and sent on their way within hours.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

Immigrant and completely agree. Why hasn’t it be tackled yet? Bc everything in this country boils down to money. Cheap labor. Neither side has taken serious measures to deal with employers who hire undocumented immigrants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

I think you’re lying. If you were truly a recent immigrant you’d know that immigrants are not ‘criminals’, they are those fleeing poverty and war and seeking a better life, just as you did. And my great grandparents did. My great grandfather was illegal.

Dp. What? Your great grandfather was very likely not illegal. He was probably vetted at the border, like many of our parents and grandparents were. My mother came over in the 1950’s. She was sponsored by her aunt. She had to have a sponsor who would assume responsibility for her so she would not be a burden on the state. She would not have been allowed to immigrate otherwise. That is a very different system than allowing anyone to cross the border and apply for asylum now.

Yes I was surprised to learn with my kid recently that a lot of people were actually turned away even at Ellis island. Some people think that America just accepted everyone back then and it was not the case. Even after they paid the large amount for their ticket here, they still had to show they could financially support themselves, that they were healthy (there was a huge list of things they looked for) and had high moral character.

+1. An intelligence test was also given.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

You must be a troll. Way to take one piece of what he said out of context. First, it was from a decade ago when unemployment rates were much higher. And he never said he was against immigration, only that he was against open borders as then there would be no concept of a nation state. He then went on to discuss all the policies that he wanted to see enacted including FREE college education at state universities, corporations and wealthy americans paying more, etc. But you ignore that part...

ILLEGAL immigration

And? The discussion in the video you posted is about open borders. And yes, Bernie says he does not agree with that. You think this is somehow proving your argument and it is not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

I think you’re lying. If you were truly a recent immigrant you’d know that immigrants are not ‘criminals’, they are those fleeing poverty and war and seeking a better life, just as you did. And my great grandparents did. My great grandfather was illegal.

Dp. What? Your great grandfather was very likely not illegal. He was probably vetted at the border, like many of our parents and grandparents were. My mother came over in the 1950’s. She was sponsored by her aunt. She had to have a sponsor who would assume responsibility for her so she would not be a burden on the state. She would not have been allowed to immigrate otherwise. That is a very different system than allowing anyone to cross the border and apply for asylum now.

Yes I was surprised to learn with my kid recently that a lot of people were actually turned away even at Ellis island. Some people think that America just accepted everyone back then and it was not the case. Even after they paid the large amount for their ticket here, they still had to show they could financially support themselves, that they were healthy (there was a huge list of things they looked for) and had high moral character.

+1. An intelligence test was also given.

Wrong again. The screening test at Ellis Island typically took less than a minute and essentially everyone passed and made it through within hours of arriving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is exactly it and the point of the post. It is fear mongering. And unfortunately it works. The much bigger threat to middle class and LMC is corporate greed, no worker protections, no safety nets, and of course climate devastation that will make living in previously affordable areas dangerous and unaffordable. But let’s ignore all of that and focus on these ‘criminal’ immigrants stealing from us and eating our pets.

What a patronizing post. Mass illegal immigration is a threat to the jobs and wages of blue collar workers, even Bernie Sanders admitted it before the Democrats went crazy by supporting open borders. Importing large numbers of impoverished, uneducated, low wage, non-English speaking migrants into a community has a tremendous negative effect on that community. I’ve seen it in the city I live in. The schools are terrible and full of ELL, housing prices are very high, car insurance rates keep rising, etc. I want to move, but I have no confidence that the Democrats won’t flood my new community and school system with more indigent migrants. I have no problem with legal immigration of people who have skills we need, speak English and are able to provide for themselves. I am tremendously against mass illegal immigration of unskilled migrants into the country. Liberals have disregarded people’s concerns over immigration and then turn around and wonder why Donald Trump has so much support. People disliking Democrat economic and immigration policies are why he has so much support, but you just turn around and insult all of us who support him while diminishing our concerns.

Please post the link where Bernie sanders said illegal immigrants were taking blue collar jobs from American workers. What any one on the planet earth knows is that it’s very different. Immigrants are performing important work that Americans simply do not want to do. Who do you think is picking your fruit? Or defending forest fires? We need immigration- and no, not just highly skilled workers like you claim (although as we know, many immigrants arrive who are trained and skilled, but do menial jobs in the US for a time).

You are purposely obtuse and a manipulative liar.

https://youtu.be/vf-k6qOfXz0?si=v_Jnw6003fTaud8v

Bernie Sanders used to be against illegal immigration, saying it makes Americans poorer and ends America as a nation-state.

I don’t believe illegal immigrants are doing jobs Americans won’t do in many instances. I have never heard of Americans being willing to do construction work, for example. I think they are doing these jobs at wages Americans can’t accept and can’t live on. Companies are hiring illegal immigrants out of greed.

+1. Americans will do any job, for the right wage. I know this from experience/seeing the jobs filled 100% by Americans growing up in a small town with a very low illegal alien population. And to the poster(s) demanding that people cite how illegal immigration has impacted them personally - what an inane notion. I don't have to be personally impacted by murder to be against it.

Please tell me how Americans you know from your small town would do any job for the right wage- what were those jobs exactly? And please also explain to me how those 'right wages' affected the ultimate cost of the goods or services being provided? And the effect on whether consumers were then willing to pay for those products and services at that price? I'm waiting...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm an immigrant and I think most immigrants are very anti illegal immigration of people whose criminal history is not vetted. It seems like complete insanity to me to have some people jump through a multitude of legal hoops to even stay here after being productive members of society for years, and then have criminals jump the border and be here long enough to establish gang strongholds at all. It makes absolutely zero sense why anyone is allowing a gang member to be in the US for even a day, much less come in at all. I don't see how it's not been tackled better already.

I think you’re lying. If you were truly a recent immigrant you’d know that immigrants are not ‘criminals’, they are those fleeing poverty and war and seeking a better life, just as you did. And my great grandparents did. My great grandfather was illegal.

Dp. What? Your great grandfather was very likely not illegal. He was probably vetted at the border, like many of our parents and grandparents were. My mother came over in the 1950’s. She was sponsored by her aunt. She had to have a sponsor who would assume responsibility for her so she would not be a burden on the state. She would not have been allowed to immigrate otherwise. That is a very different system than allowing anyone to cross the border and apply for asylum now.

Yes I was surprised to learn with my kid recently that a lot of people were actually turned away even at Ellis island. Some people think that America just accepted everyone back then and it was not the case. Even after they paid the large amount for their ticket here, they still had to show they could financially support themselves, that they were healthy (there was a huge list of things they looked for) and had high moral character.

+1. An intelligence test was also given.

Wrong again. The screening test at Ellis Island typically took less than a minute and essentially everyone passed and made it through within hours of arriving.

And then those immigrants worked their butts off with no social services net. They didn't receive medical benefits, housing allowances, public transportation, college scholarships, and free public education with special education, ESL services, and free meals for their children. There needs to be a limit.