Two children killed by family pet

[Anonymous]

New mom with a 3 month old who takes a lot of neighborhood walks in an area with a few pitbulls. What do I do to prevent an attack or how do I stay vigilant while walking around with my baby in a stroller? New fear unlocked. My heart hurts for those children.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Both parents need to be in jail.

Well the mother may die from her injuries. Also it sounds like she didn’t want the dogs and her husband refused to get rid of them. I know it might be easy to say “well she should have taken her kids and left then” but (1) this guy sounds like an a$$hole and often that personality profile is abusive, and (2) she may not have had the financial means or family support to leave.

It’s clear the dad was the one who is most culpable.

Me personally would have killed the dogs if I were her. Murdered them if I didn’t want them around my children and felt threatened. And then would have dealt with my husband. I sent back my 45 pound dog when I felt he was too aggressive to my 5 year old son, but my husband was on board.

+1
a little something "extra" with their kibble, no?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A friends elderly golden was attacked (unprovoked) by a pit that jumped over the front fence. It honestly took 5 large adults to try to stop the attack. The only thing that worked was when one of the adults grabbed an axe and started swinging it at the pit. Impossible to ever get these images out of my head. It was hard to describe the grip the pit had and then the quickness where it would let go to lunge at the adults and then regrip the golden. Impossible to describe. The golden barely lived and had to have extensive surgery and then never fully recovered bc of trachea damage. What a horrible last few months for a sweet dog. The pit had been on a leash but of course the owner couldn’t control it once it decided to attack. You pit bull excusers make me sick bc what you allow in your house is up to you but things like this show your poor decisions impact others.

My friend and I were chased by two pit bulls 25 years ago. The dogs tore down the fence between her yard and there’s. We made it to her kitchen door, but her older dog didn’t make it. We watched with my friends mom while these two dogs mauled their dog to death. All we could do was call 911. It was unprovoked, savage, and haunts me to this day. If those dogs had caught me or my friend, we would be dead. Anyone who defends and excuses this breed is inhuman.

If you were attacked by a white woman would you say all white women should be banned?

Your story is horrific but defenders of pit bulls are human and pit bulls are dogs.

Ok, well pedophiles are technically human beings but like pit bulls they are monsters.
I judge every single person I see who owns a pit bull

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New mom with a 3 month old who takes a lot of neighborhood walks in an area with a few pitbulls. What do I do to prevent an attack or how do I stay vigilant while walking around with my baby in a stroller? New fear unlocked. My heart hurts for those children.

https://www.animals24-7.org/2022/03/11/how-to-protect-yourself-others-your-dog-from-a-pit-bull-attack-2022/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are pit mauling stories regularly. And I've had personal experience with pit aggression. Yet pit nutters tell us to ignore stats, the news, our personal experience because some they claim some magic force had it out for pit bulls for a reason they can't articulate.

My Dad's a pediatrician and also has personally told me never to let pits around my kids because of what he saw in his ER rotations. I suppose whatever shadowy conspiracy pit nutters believe in they somehow magically got my Dad too?

Or you know they're just terrible dogs.

There’s a fairly famous op-ed written by a reconstructive plastic surgeon who says the same thing as your dad: these dogs are a menace and do a ridiculous and unique amount of damage, like the kind of damage a bear might do.

I went googling looking for this and found more than one.

https://qctimes.com/news/local/barb-ickes/ickes-q-c-plastic-surgeon-too-many-pit-bull-bites/article_1593fdda-136f-52ef-a3fb-597d2af20628.html

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/contributors/2014/06/29/doctor-says-ban-pit-bulls/11709481/

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2018/08/22/pediatrician-pit-bulls-do-not-belong-in-homes-with-children/985193007/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel very sad for the parents but also believe they need to be charged with something. They killed their babies. There needs to be consequences.

These parents will live with the consequences forever as it is. There is nothing worse.

Not enough for me. This was no freak accident. This was criminal negligence that resulted in the death of two children. I don’t think prison time should be out of the question in these situations.

+ 1 million. I'm tired of hearing these stories. It is just as often someone ELSE'S kids, too. It is a mission of mine to get these things banned. There is no logical reason for them to exist and anyone that disagrees is a frigging idiot.

How would the ban you propose work? How do you define pit bull? What percentage of pit bull lineage makes a dog a pit? 2%? 25%? Anything about 50%? Do you propose genetic testing for all rescue dogs/pups? That generally costs $200-$300. How do you propose to pay for it? How would the testing and euthanization program be implemented?

I’m asking since this is a mission of yours, so you must have thought through some of these complicated issues and have ideas for how to address them.

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Ten states have put bill bans or restrictions, 41 countries have put bill bans or restrictions, there are already bans on specific pit bull breeds.

Of course it is possible to put a breed ban in place. It is been done in many places.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are pit mauling stories regularly. And I've had personal experience with pit aggression. Yet pit nutters tell us to ignore stats, the news, our personal experience because some they claim some magic force had it out for pit bulls for a reason they can't articulate.

My Dad's a pediatrician and also has personally told me never to let pits around my kids because of what he saw in his ER rotations. I suppose whatever shadowy conspiracy pit nutters believe in they somehow magically got my Dad too?

Or you know they're just terrible dogs.

There’s a fairly famous op-ed written by a reconstructive plastic surgeon who says the same thing as your dad: these dogs are a menace and do a ridiculous and unique amount of damage, like the kind of damage a bear might do.

I went googling looking for this and found more than one.

https://qctimes.com/news/local/barb-ickes/ickes-q-c-plastic-surgeon-too-many-pit-bull-bites/article_1593fdda-136f-52ef-a3fb-597d2af20628.html

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/contributors/2014/06/29/doctor-says-ban-pit-bulls/11709481/

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2018/08/22/pediatrician-pit-bulls-do-not-belong-in-homes-with-children/985193007/

Quote from the Quad City Times: “"If you have 100 drugs that treat high blood pressure, and one of those drugs caused half the deaths, it would be taken off the market," he said.”

From Cincinnati: “When I started my career, the most common dog-bite injuries were from German shepherds and occasionally retrievers. These injuries were almost always provoked, such as food-related or stepping on the dog, and in almost every instance, the dog reacted with a single snap and release – essentially a warning shot. There were no pack attacks.

Starting about 25 years ago, my colleagues and I started to see disturbingly different types of injuries. Instead of a warning bite, we saw wounds where the flesh was torn from the victim. There were multiple bite wounds covering many different anatomical sites. The attacks were generally unprovoked, persistent and often involved more than one dog. In every instance the dog involved was a pit bull or a pit bull mix.

[…] I recently gave a talk summarizing my 30 years of practice in pediatric plastic and reconstructive surgery, and one segment was titled "Why I Hate Pit Bulls." I watched a child bleed to death one night in our operating room because a pit bull had torn his throat out. I have had to rebuild the skull of a child who had his ears and entire scalp torn off. I am currently reconstructing the face of a child, half of whose face has been torn off down to the bone. I have had to rebuild noses, lips, eyelids, jaws and cheeks of numerous children. On older children, I have had to reconstruct legs and hands. The unfortunate young victim whose recent attack has initiated this discussion will bear the scars of this attack for the rest of her life.“

From the last listed op-ed: “Of course, not every pit bull will attack. But, unfortunately, you can’t tell which ones will. And if they do — and enough of them do — one moment can mean the difference between life and death of a child or a disfiguring injury and a life of pain, scars and emotional trauma.

Pit bull defenders want you to think that it’s normal for a dog to maul or kill thousands of children. It’s not. The vast majority of dog breeds have never killed or mauled a child — no matter how they are raised.” She also talks about how your child and your family’s safety is not the priority of the shelters and the pit bull advocates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New mom with a 3 month old who takes a lot of neighborhood walks in an area with a few pitbulls. What do I do to prevent an attack or how do I stay vigilant while walking around with my baby in a stroller? New fear unlocked. My heart hurts for those children.

You don't need to worry about this. It's much more likely to happen in someone's home with their own dogs. I mean don't walk your stroller into strange back yards. If you see a loose dog that seems aggressive, go the other way, look for shelter, and yell for help. But I doubt you ever will. Feeling like you need to "stay vigilant" about this is unreasonable postpartum anxiety. Trust me I have been there!! In terms of animal attacks from animals that aren't your animal, you should probably be more worried about rabid raccoons. Which is to say not worried at all until the moment you're faced with a rabid raccoon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New mom with a 3 month old who takes a lot of neighborhood walks in an area with a few pitbulls. What do I do to prevent an attack or how do I stay vigilant while walking around with my baby in a stroller? New fear unlocked. My heart hurts for those children.

You don't need to worry about this. It's much more likely to happen in someone's home with their own dogs. I mean don't walk your stroller into strange back yards. If you see a loose dog that seems aggressive, go the other way, look for shelter, and yell for help. But I doubt you ever will. Feeling like you need to "stay vigilant" about this is unreasonable postpartum anxiety. Trust me I have been there!! In terms of animal attacks from animals that aren't your animal, you should probably be more worried about rabid raccoons. Which is to say not worried at all until the moment you're faced with a rabid raccoon.

This is crazy off base. Or maybe you just don’t live in a neighborhood of pit bulls.

[Anonymous]

Also added this to my list of things to be worried about as a parent of a toddler. My SIL and her husband have a pit bull and are expecting a their first child early next year though. I'm already worried about that baby, and the prospect of visiting with our toddler. I've never noticed pit bulls in our neighborhood but now it's something I'll be on the look out for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also added this to my list of things to be worried about as a parent of a toddler. My SIL and her husband have a pit bull and are expecting a their first child early next year though. I'm already worried about that baby, and the prospect of visiting with our toddler. I've never noticed pit bulls in our neighborhood but now it's something I'll be on the look out for.

I would have a very open conversation with your SIL. Maybe, hopefully, if you voice your concerns about having your toddler around during visits, they will think long and hard about having it at home with the baby.

[Anonymous]

My son was bitten by a yellow lab when he was a toddler, so I fully understand that any breed of dog can bite. The lab was old and mostly blind, spooked by a louder dog who started barking across the street, and snapped at what was right in front of him. My son happened to be in the wrong place.

Here's the difference: the lab snapped once, then immediately pulled back and turned away. My son ended up with one gash on his check - it did require stitches, and was of course traumatic, I'm not trying to minimize the incident, but it was relatively easy to repair. Ten years out, you can't see a thing. It took a year or two for him to get comfortable with dogs again, but now he absolutely loves them.

If a pitbull were driven to bite, it wouldn't bite once and then pull back. One they start to attack, they keep going. That's what makes them dangerous - not that they are the only dogs that would ever attack, but the severity when they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son was bitten by a yellow lab when he was a toddler, so I fully understand that any breed of dog can bite. The lab was old and mostly blind, spooked by a louder dog who started barking across the street, and snapped at what was right in front of him. My son happened to be in the wrong place.

Here's the difference: the lab snapped once, then immediately pulled back and turned away. My son ended up with one gash on his check - it did require stitches, and was of course traumatic, I'm not trying to minimize the incident, but it was relatively easy to repair. Ten years out, you can't see a thing. It took a year or two for him to get comfortable with dogs again, but now he absolutely loves them.

If a pitbull were driven to bite, it wouldn't bite once and then pull back. One they start to attack, they keep going. That's what makes them dangerous - not that they are the only dogs that would ever attack, but the severity when they do.

Similar-my DS tripped over our sleeping Rottweiler in the dark and fell on him. He (the dog) was recovering from surgery, so probably in some pain. The dog erupted in a flurry of barks and snaps, but didn't actually bite him. Basically was startled and forced him backwards. Then was contrite, according to DS, although it scared DS in the moment.

I seriously doubt a pitbull would react that way.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this thread has run its course. Are you going to tell us about every dog attack or just " pit bulls?"

Feel free to post attacks by other breeds that involves multiple children being mangled to death.

Yeah, please do! Pits are the reigning champs in this realm. Pits+ Rotties are 76% of all fatalities. Pit lovers especially love to call out Chihuahuas as super aggressive (true) but I'm still waiting to see their body count. Also Goldens could equally maul, so surely there should be near daily reports of their attacks and kills?

Rottweilers were responsible for 45 fatal attacks over a 13-year period, accounting for 10 percent of all deadly attacks observed in the United States during that period. It is worth noting that from 2005 to 2019, Pitbulls and Rottweilers killed 397 people, which accounts for 76% of all fatal human dog bites. The Rottweiler was responsible for 45 of the roughly 400.

That leaves the pitbull with far and away the most deaths. The top 5 most dangerous dog breeds by bite-related fatalities to other dogs and humans are the Pitbull, Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Husky, and Malamute.