Two children killed by family pet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shelters are also clearly pushing dangerous dogs on people too. I know these dogs were purchased but I did some looking st shelters snd they were pushing all these sketchy dogs, often pit mixes

I think the no kill movement was a mistake. Not all dogs can be saved and putting dangerous dogs in homes is crazy, especially since younb children tend to be most at risk. People over dogs, always.

The no kill shelters that I have volunteered at will still put a dog with behavioral issues down. The no kill part means they do not put down dogs if they run out of space.

[Anonymous]

The dad was an enthusiast who bought these dogs for probably thousands of dollars. Exotic XL bullies. They're basically deformed through grotesque inbreeding and certainly bred for gameness. It's really disgusting breeding these mutant monsters, both for the danger they pose to society and the horrible health issues they have. This is Mia as a puppy who participated in the mauling. The dad seemed to have some links to these breeders. He suggested sending Mia back to them to breed her with her father. Bred to be killing machines for sure. The parents should be charged.

https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html

[Anonymous]

That is chilling.

[Anonymous]

Yep. I want those a*sholes charged with manslaughter. These weren’t sweet rescues who got spooked with no warning. This was NOT a situation where no one would have ever expected it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The dad was an enthusiast who bought these dogs for probably thousands of dollars. Exotic XL bullies. They're basically deformed through grotesque inbreeding and certainly bred for gameness. It's really disgusting breeding these mutant monsters, both for the danger they pose to society and the horrible health issues they have. This is Mia as a puppy who participated in the mauling. The dad seemed to have some links to these breeders. He suggested sending Mia back to them to breed her with her father. Bred to be killing machines for sure. The parents should be charged.

https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html

They look hideous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t disagree but I also can’t really see how a “pit bull ban” would work

I concur, prohibition has proven to do nothing but encourage people to be resourceful and sneaky.
I would vouch for pet training laws. If you have an animal that could pose a threat to human life if left unattended/untrained, you must be held responsible for training them or relinquish your ownership rights (or have someone sponsor to train them, etc.) It seems fair enough, right? Plus, it would offer another job opportunity through having people check on these pet owners to ensure their animals are well-kept and trained/in training. Of course, these things would have to be organized as well, so as to respect the pet owners' privacy, but I think it's a good start point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shelters are also clearly pushing dangerous dogs on people too. I know these dogs were purchased but I did some looking st shelters snd they were pushing all these sketchy dogs, often pit mixes

I think the no kill movement was a mistake. Not all dogs can be saved and putting dangerous dogs in homes is crazy, especially since younb children tend to be most at risk. People over dogs, always.

The no kill shelters that I have volunteered at will still put a dog with behavioral issues down. The no kill part means they do not put down dogs if they run out of space.

The thing that would help most is (a) requiring that all dogs be licensed and (b) requiring that a licensed dog be spayed or neutered unless it is a working or sporting dog that is owned by a responsible breeder. No more pitts, no more doodles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand why the pitbull & pitbull mix owners are having a conniption. A pit bull ban does not mean that someone will come to your door and shoot your dog. It means that there will be a purposeful effort to stop breeding and increase spay/ neuter. I've read most of the responses and haven't seen a single PB owner who purchased their dog from a breeder; they are all "rescues" and many of the owners have waxed poetic about breed abuse causing poor temperament. Eliminating the breeding will decrease opportunity for abuse and will result in fewer shelter dogs who need homes. These are GOOD THINGS: less abuse, fewer homeless dogs.

I am a pit bull owner above and I have no problem with an effort like the above for pit bulls and all dogs, I just don’t think it would ever happen. How will it be enforced? Who is going to pay for genetic testing to determine whether the dog is a pit bull and for the spay/neuter?

Questions of implementation can always be resolved, especially if you throw enough money at the problem. You'd need a multi pronged approach. Veterinarians would be required to spay/ neuter any client dogs who are pitbulls. Since it is federal ban, provide federal resources for genetic testing and sliding scales based on income for spay/ neuter. More free spay/ neuter clinics at local shelters, particularly aimed at low income areas where people are less likely to bring their pet in for regular vet visits. Mobile spay/ neuter vans targeting low income rural and urban areas. You may need to offer voucher programs for veterinary services to incentivize people to get their pet to a veterinarian.

Ugh, this is not the resolution. In this case, the were not low income at all.

[Anonymous]

Imagine the fun of becoming a disabled amputee in retirement thanks to the neighbor’s pit bull dog:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11305821/North-Carolina-woman-78-foot-AMPUTATED-attacked-neighbors-unleashed-pit-bull.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shelters are also clearly pushing dangerous dogs on people too. I know these dogs were purchased but I did some looking st shelters snd they were pushing all these sketchy dogs, often pit mixes

I think the no kill movement was a mistake. Not all dogs can be saved and putting dangerous dogs in homes is crazy, especially since younb children tend to be most at risk. People over dogs, always.

The no kill shelters that I have volunteered at will still put a dog with behavioral issues down. The no kill part means they do not put down dogs if they run out of space.

The thing that would help most is (a) requiring that all dogs be licensed and (b) requiring that a licensed dog be spayed or neutered unless it is a working or sporting dog that is owned by a responsible breeder. No more pitts, no more doodles.

All dogs are required to be licensed, at least where I live. In my county it is also more expensive to license your dog if it is not spayed or neutered. The other thing to consider for male dogs is that recent studies are suggesting that neutering increases the risk of fear based aggression in some dogs. They believe this is because testosterone plays a role in a dog's confidence. Fear based aggression is the most dangerous form of aggression that results in the most attacks, especially around children. More research definitely needs to be done on this though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shelters are also clearly pushing dangerous dogs on people too. I know these dogs were purchased but I did some looking st shelters snd they were pushing all these sketchy dogs, often pit mixes

I think the no kill movement was a mistake. Not all dogs can be saved and putting dangerous dogs in homes is crazy, especially since younb children tend to be most at risk. People over dogs, always.

The no kill shelters that I have volunteered at will still put a dog with behavioral issues down. The no kill part means they do not put down dogs if they run out of space.

Then you have worked at some unicorns. Lots of no kill shelters keep pit bulls with behavioral issues for months and sometimes years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shelters are also clearly pushing dangerous dogs on people too. I know these dogs were purchased but I did some looking st shelters snd they were pushing all these sketchy dogs, often pit mixes

I think the no kill movement was a mistake. Not all dogs can be saved and putting dangerous dogs in homes is crazy, especially since younb children tend to be most at risk. People over dogs, always.

The no kill shelters that I have volunteered at will still put a dog with behavioral issues down. The no kill part means they do not put down dogs if they run out of space.

The thing that would help most is (a) requiring that all dogs be licensed and (b) requiring that a licensed dog be spayed or neutered unless it is a working or sporting dog that is owned by a responsible breeder. No more pitts, no more doodles.

All dogs are required to be licensed, at least where I live. In my county it is also more expensive to license your dog if it is not spayed or neutered. The other thing to consider for male dogs is that recent studies are suggesting that neutering increases the risk of fear based aggression in some dogs. They believe this is because testosterone plays a role in a dog's confidence. Fear based aggression is the most dangerous form of aggression that results in the most attacks, especially around children. More research definitely needs to be done on this though.

Still haven’t seen any reports of fixed schipperkes and pugs attacking children. Seems like it’s largely limited to one breed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine the fun of becoming a disabled amputee in retirement thanks to the neighbor’s pit bull dog:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11305821/North-Carolina-woman-78-foot-AMPUTATED-attacked-neighbors-unleashed-pit-bull.html

From the article … a neighbor was watching her grandson’s dog. JFC the cognitive dissonance of these type of owners to feel NO responsibility that this dog MAULED their neighbors. It sounds like she feels worse for her grandson and the dog than the VICTIMS OF THE ATTACK. I seriously hate people like this. I hope this woman and her grandson get sued into oblivion and live on cat food for the rest of their lives.

'He backed out of the harness somehow. I guess the adrenaline in him,' Proctor told the local outlet. 'That's why they think he was not on his harness, but he wasn't.'

She continued, 'Being a pit bull, he was just very protective of his property and people, and I hate it more than anybody that it happened.'

'They euthanized him. My grandson's very upset, but I didn't know what else to do,'

When asked if she felt like she bore any of the blame for the attack, Proctor said, 'No, not really because like I said, [the dog] was harnessed and leashed in his yard.'

[Anonymous]

Sorry I meant to put the quote first, excuse my out of order commentary.

[Anonymous]

Well, can we start with banning breeders who sell "lions on leashes". Holy crap.

I also think Dad should be charged here. He deliberately bought dangerous dogs he had two years after having a kid to rehome them and he kept them anyway.