You’re 100% correct, but don’t upset the repeatedly posting lawyer with facts. |
Once again, wrong. Their merchant agreement protects their cardholder when the services purchased are not provided. The services are not being provided. |
Oops! There are those pesky facts again. |
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I've had to dispute a VRBO with my credit card before, because the property was nothing like the photos and VRBO was useless as usual. Resolved in my favor within a week. No reason OP shouldn't try it.
That said... folks seem to not understand how the rental contract relates to the credit card merchant agreement. The rental contact can say pretty much anything, it's a contract between you and the property owner/manager. The credit card merchant agreement is with VRBO, and all it covers is one form of payment. If the rental isn't as described or isn't available, your credit card company will reverse the charge, and VRBO will try to recoup payment from the property owner/manager. But that doesn't displace the rental contract, which might still require you to pay (e.g., a force majeure clause in which you assume the risk). In that scenario (which it sounds like OP isn't in) the property owner/manager could hypothetically sue to recover the amount due. P.S. I'm a lawyer, but this isn't legal advice. |
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This is probably why some people died in the hurricane. They couldn’t get a refund.
Even if I couldn’t get a refund, I would not go on a trip to a hurricane. I can see both sides. The contract may say no cancellations but this situation is extreme. |
You’re kidding, right? (A) I’ve never had these issues with a reputable rental company, (B) I was screwed by a VRBO owner that had excellent reviews, and (C) there have been many reports here of renters who had a bad experience who were not allowed to leave reviews. |
Well, that’s my point. VRBO is worthless in terms of providing any protection for the renter, and people need to understand this. They charge significantly higher fees than property management companies and do nothing in exchange. I am *not* expecting VRBO to act as a “property manager.” I am expecting VRBO to live up to the “Travel with Confidence” guarantee that they themselves advertise. I do notice that VRBO has changed their “guarantee” — back when I had an issue their guarantee said that they would protect the renter against fraud by the property owner. Their “guarantee” is carefully written to imply that they’ll protect you against fraud, but it doesn’t even say that anymore. Forget OP’s situation and discussions of “acts of God” — even in cases like mine, where the owner commits actual fraud, VRBO will do nothing. In case of fraud, their “guarantee” says they’ll “try to find you new accommodation” but says nothing about who pays and getting you your money back. Also, VRBO may delete the listing (as they did in my case), but they also do absolutely nothing to screen for the relisting of properties by the same owners under slightly different names. https://www.vrbo.com/l/travel-with-confidence/ |
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VRBO is an awful company. I would never rent with them again. Too many problems and scam owners.
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| I wouldn’t book an October vacation to Florida without trip insurance. |
There was totally a story like this where a group of women from OH had a rental in Ft. Myers beach and assumed it was “safe” to go because the rental company didn’t cancel. One of them died. |
Hurricane insurance for a June 2023 rental would protect you against a rental that’s not usable due to damage from an October 2022 hurricane? Somehow I doubt that. |
I read that. Heartbreaking. |
DP. Frankly, it would be stupid to book a unit in Sanibel for June 2023 right now. Even the owners with the best of intentions are dealing with a whole lot of shit at the moment, and likely have no idea when they may be able to start renting again to update their listings. Maybe give them a little time to figure out what’s going on before you look to make trouble for them. |
arrangements being made implies agreement of the parties. A property rental for a one week is not fungible with a rental for another week |
Not necessarily. This happens all the time with entertainment and sporting events that are rescheduled. As long as the policy is disclosed, it is permissible under the merchant agreements to transfer a ticket holder’s ticket to the rescheduled date without offering a refund. If the ticket purchaser cannot or does not want to attend on that date, it is on them to resell or transfer the ticket to someone else if they want, but they cannot get a refund on the ticket. So once again, we come back to the rental agreement providing the answer. Without knowing the terms, we are all speculating. |