Anyone else think schools will be virtual after Winter Break?

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

"Might?" That where you are? My God. I can't even. Covid theater indeed.

Epidemiologist back again. You are reading far too much into one word. Read this article.
https://www.science.org/content/article/does-closing-schools-slow-spread-novel-coronavirus

I’m pretty sure the PP will eventually tell you too to learn some basic epidemiology. You know, like she has.

The epidemiologist needs to learn the difference between a study and a random interview.

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No I’m sorry we are beyond this science article at this point. We are heading into 2022 the schools may close if there is a huge uptick in cases but not for one or two. Public health needs to modify to adjust to the fact covid is now churning through the population at unpresidential rate and cannot be stopped because so many are returning to pre pandemic life and not following the public health message any longer. They are coming to school, traveling sick or on the verge of recovery. There needs to be an adjustment to recognize people don’t care about the community anymore, they are tired and done and have accepted this will continue endemically

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Anonymous wrote:Many kids will be out at the start of school anyway, if they are following current cdc isolation requirements. If a child tests positive next week, the isolation period takes you past the start of school in most cases.
Do you let the school nurse know if your child tests positive over break?

All my kids tested positive this week and I’ll let their schools know. Since they’re vaccinated I think they’re allowed back with a negative test (?).

no, you don't retest via PCR for 90 days following + confirmed covid (confirmed means via PCR). a positive case (going off of dc health's return to school matrix) is a positive case has to isolate for 10 days. Just because your kid is vaccinated doesn't mean that if they have covid they don't have to isolate.

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Anonymous wrote:Many kids will be out at the start of school anyway, if they are following current cdc isolation requirements. If a child tests positive next week, the isolation period takes you past the start of school in most cases.
Do you let the school nurse know if your child tests positive over break?

All my kids tested positive this week and I’ll let their schools know. Since they’re vaccinated I think they’re allowed back with a negative test (?).

no, you don't retest via PCR for 90 days following + confirmed covid (confirmed means via PCR). a positive case (going off of dc health's return to school matrix) is a positive case has to isolate for 10 days. Just because your kid is vaccinated doesn't mean that if they have covid they don't have to isolate.

CDC just changed isolation requirements for everyone. Anyone not boosted follows the same guidance as those who are unvaxxed or have only been partially vaccinated.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/cdc-recommends-shorter-covid-isolation-quarantine-for-all

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Anonymous wrote:Many kids will be out at the start of school anyway, if they are following current cdc isolation requirements. If a child tests positive next week, the isolation period takes you past the start of school in most cases.
Do you let the school nurse know if your child tests positive over break?

All my kids tested positive this week and I’ll let their schools know. Since they’re vaccinated I think they’re allowed back with a negative test (?).

no, you don't retest via PCR for 90 days following + confirmed covid (confirmed means via PCR). a positive case (going off of dc health's return to school matrix) is a positive case has to isolate for 10 days. Just because your kid is vaccinated doesn't mean that if they have covid they don't have to isolate.

CDC just changed isolation requirements for everyone. Anyone not boosted follows the same guidance as those who are unvaxxed or have only been partially vaccinated.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/cdc-recommends-shorter-covid-isolation-quarantine-for-all

It's anyone more than six months out from the second dose but not boosted who follows the same guidelines as the un/partially vaccinated. So 5-12 year olds who were just recently vaccinated don't have to quarantine with exposure, either.

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Anonymous wrote:Many kids will be out at the start of school anyway, if they are following current cdc isolation requirements. If a child tests positive next week, the isolation period takes you past the start of school in most cases.
Do you let the school nurse know if your child tests positive over break?

All my kids tested positive this week and I’ll let their schools know. Since they’re vaccinated I think they’re allowed back with a negative test (?).

no, you don't retest via PCR for 90 days following + confirmed covid (confirmed means via PCR). a positive case (going off of dc health's return to school matrix) is a positive case has to isolate for 10 days. Just because your kid is vaccinated doesn't mean that if they have covid they don't have to isolate.

CDC just changed isolation requirements for everyone. Anyone not boosted follows the same guidance as those who are unvaxxed or have only been partially vaccinated.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/cdc-recommends-shorter-covid-isolation-quarantine-for-all

It's anyone more than six months out from the second dose but not boosted who follows the same guidelines as the un/partially vaccinated. So 5-12 year olds who were just recently vaccinated don't have to quarantine with exposure, either.

Sure but 12-15 are out of luck. K-12 schools are back to ground zero. 1/2 there population still has to quarantine under this new recommendation.. Unless they follow the cdc recommendation from last week- test to stay. Or maybe the cdc will have new recommendation next week!

Or maybe we should stop listening to the cdc!

[Anonymous]

Screw you CDC!!! My kids will be in school

[Anonymous]

Great, 13 and 15yo can be out of school for 5-day quarantines. They’d better get a green light for boosters ASAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great, 13 and 15yo can be out of school for 5-day quarantines. They’d better get a green light for boosters ASAP.

No thanks. It barely works against omicron anyway.

cdc needs to drop quarantine requirements. This variant doesn’t warrant quarantines. Stop contact tracing. Oh wait, they did because they can’t keep up. Schools need to stop contact tracing too!

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Anonymous wrote:Great, 13 and 15yo can be out of school for 5-day quarantines. They’d better get a green light for boosters ASAP.

No thanks. It barely works against omicron anyway.

cdc needs to drop quarantine requirements. This variant doesn’t warrant quarantines. Stop contact tracing. Oh wait, they did because they can’t keep up. Schools need to stop contact tracing too!

Have you looked at the hospital numbers lately, tough guy?

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

"Might?" That where you are? My God. I can't even. Covid theater indeed.

Epidemiologist back again. You are reading far too much into one word. Read this article.
https://www.science.org/content/article/does-closing-schools-slow-spread-novel-coronavirus

I’m pretty sure the PP will eventually tell you too to learn some basic epidemiology. You know, like she has.

The epidemiologist needs to learn the difference between a study and a random interview.

I think her source was “dumbed down” for you sweetie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great, 13 and 15yo can be out of school for 5-day quarantines. They’d better get a green light for boosters ASAP.

No thanks. It barely works against omicron anyway.

cdc needs to drop quarantine requirements. This variant doesn’t warrant quarantines. Stop contact tracing. Oh wait, they did because they can’t keep up. Schools need to stop contact tracing too!

Have you looked at the hospital numbers lately, tough guy?

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/12/21/vaccines-offer-some-protection-against-omicron-with-most-deaths-hospitalizations-in-unvaccinated-officials-say/
mostly the unvaxxed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great, 13 and 15yo can be out of school for 5-day quarantines. They’d better get a green light for boosters ASAP.

No thanks. It barely works against omicron anyway.

cdc needs to drop quarantine requirements. This variant doesn’t warrant quarantines. Stop contact tracing. Oh wait, they did because they can’t keep up. Schools need to stop contact tracing too!

Have you looked at the hospital numbers lately, tough guy?

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/12/21/vaccines-offer-some-protection-against-omicron-with-most-deaths-hospitalizations-in-unvaccinated-officials-say/
mostly the unvaxxed.

Yet this impacts anyone that may need a hospital bed. Better hope you or your loved ones don’t have a car accident, heart attack, appendicitis, or other medical emergency.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great, 13 and 15yo can be out of school for 5-day quarantines. They’d better get a green light for boosters ASAP.

No thanks. It barely works against omicron anyway.

cdc needs to drop quarantine requirements. This variant doesn’t warrant quarantines. Stop contact tracing. Oh wait, they did because they can’t keep up. Schools need to stop contact tracing too!

Have you looked at the hospital numbers lately, tough guy?

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/12/21/vaccines-offer-some-protection-against-omicron-with-most-deaths-hospitalizations-in-unvaccinated-officials-say/
mostly the unvaxxed.

Yet this impacts anyone that may need a hospital bed. Better hope you or your loved ones don’t have a car accident, heart attack, appendicitis, or other medical emergency.

Unvaccinated need to start paying for their own hospital stays. No assistance. If they go bankrupt oh well. They should still receive the best care but they can spend the rest of their lives paying it off.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

"Might?" That where you are? My God. I can't even. Covid theater indeed.

Epidemiologist back again. You are reading far too much into one word. Read this article.
https://www.science.org/content/article/does-closing-schools-slow-spread-novel-coronavirus

I’m pretty sure the PP will eventually tell you too to learn some basic epidemiology. You know, like she has.

The epidemiologist needs to learn the difference between a study and a random interview.

I think her source was “dumbed down” for you sweetie.

Fine. Post the good studies that demonstrate that short term school closures have a significant impact on reducing community covid spread. You are advocating for them so strongly that you must have evidence.

I have advanced STEM degrees and am fine reading and analyzing studies. I don’t need a useless speculative interview. We have two years of school closures. There should be many studies showing that short term school closures reduce community spread in a measurable way.

What studies out there conclusively demonstrate that closing schools for two weeks in January will have beneficial impact?