Anyone else think schools will be virtual after Winter Break?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:That’s why many 7th, 8th and 9th graders at many different schools are testing positive. We need to get boosters to the 12 to 15 group ASAP.


People with boosters are testing positive too.
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Anonymous wrote:That’s a shitty response. Shut it all down. You have to start somewhere; schools are what’s on the table.

Ask yourselves why the US has so many more cases than everywhere else. Maybe some is more robust testing, but that only explains a small part. It’s because many are shitty at sacrificing for the common good. Make some sacrifice so we can get this under control. Five days of school is a small price to pay.


Why are schools on the table before everything else? If you have to start somewhere, then why not bars? Gyms? Movie theatres? Start there.

Schools should not close until everything else is shut down.


I think it’s easy for families to avoid bars, gyms and movie theatres but impossible to avoid school if the only option is in person without testing.


Shutting for five days will not help that situation. Or are you actually advocating for a return to virtual for months?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That’s a shitty response. Shut it all down. You have to start somewhere; schools are what’s on the table.

Ask yourselves why the US has so many more cases than everywhere else. Maybe some is more robust testing, but that only explains a small part. It’s because many are shitty at sacrificing for the common good. Make some sacrifice so we can get this under control. Five days of school is a small price to pay.


Why are schools on the table before everything else? If you have to start somewhere, then why not bars? Gyms? Movie theatres? Start there.

Schools should not close until everything else is shut down.


I think it’s easy for families to avoid bars, gyms and movie theatres but impossible to avoid school if the only option is in person without testing.


Good. Then avoid everything. Hard lockdown. Then see what happens. Then close schools. Unless gyms are more important?
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Fine. Post the good studies that demonstrate that short term school closures have a significant impact on reducing community covid spread. You are advocating for them so strongly that you must have evidence.

I have advanced STEM degrees and am fine reading and analyzing studies. I don’t need a useless speculative interview. We have two years of school closures. There should be many studies showing that short term school closures reduce community spread in a measurable way.

What studies out there conclusively demonstrate that closing schools for two weeks in January will have beneficial impact?

NP.

1. Notice how Mr. "advanced STEM degrees" is already moving the goalposts to make it impossible to satisfy his request for studies? They need to be academic studies, not just summaries from WHO or CDC or other experts. And the need to be "good" studies, which apparently is an advanced STEM term meaning ones that PP likes. And then they need to "conclusively" show what will happen if we close schools "for two weeks in January." I suspect they also need to be based on data from the Washington DC area, and have been published in the six weeks since Omicron first appeared. All this seems designed to allow him to dismiss the evidence that disagrees with his prior conclusions.

2. The interview another poster provided has several links to academic papers addressing the topic. Below are links to others. I'm sure PP will find them unsatisfactory though, because they don't support his predetermined conclusion.

Strategies for mitigating an influenza pandemic
"School closure during the peak of a pandemic can reduce peak attack rates by up to 40% .... Given enough drugs for 50% of the population, household-based prophylaxis coupled with reactive school closure could reduce clinical attack rates by 40–50%."
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature04795

Nonpharmaceutical Interventions Implemented by US Cities During the 1918-1919 Influenza Pandemic
"School closure and public gathering bans activated concurrently represented the most common combination implemented in 34 cities (79%); this combination had a median duration of 4 weeks (range, 1-10 weeks) and was significantly associated with reductions in weekly EDR."
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/208354

The impact of regular school closure on seasonal influenza epidemics: a data-driven spatial transmission model for Belgium
"An extension of the Christmas holiday of 1 week may further mitigate the epidemic. Changes in the way individuals establish contacts during holidays are the key ingredient explaining the mitigating effect of regular school closure."
https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-017-2934-3

Association Between Statewide School Closure and COVID-19 Incidence and Mortality in the US
"In this US population–based time series analysis conducted between March 9, 2020, and May 7, 2020, school closure was associated with a significant decline in both incidence of COVID-19 (adjusted relative change per week, −62%) and mortality (adjusted relative change per week, −58%)."
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769034

Timing of Community Mitigation and Changes in Reported COVID-19 and Community Mobility ― Four U.S. Metropolitan Areas, February 26–April 1, 2020
"Public policies to increase compliance with social distancing, including limits on mass gatherings, school closures, business restrictions, and stay-at-home or shelter-in-place orders appear to be associated with decreases in mobility. Policies related to specific locations or community organizations (e.g., mass gatherings, schools, restaurants, and bars) were often implemented within one or two weeks of mid-March, likely a result of increased awareness and concern about the potential scope of the outbreak in the absence of mitigation. This awareness and concern also likely impacted the public, potentially leading to further decreases in mobility."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7755061/

Scientific and ethical basis for social-distancing interventions against COVID-19
The combined intervention, in which quarantine, school closure, and workplace distancing were implemented, was the most effective: compared with the baseline scenario of no interventions, the combined intervention reduced the estimated median number of infections by 99·3% (IQR 92·6–99·9) when R0 was 1·5, by 93·0% (81·5–99·7) when R0 was 2·0, and by 78·2% (59·0–94·4) when R0 was 2·5.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30190-0/fulltext

Simulating the effect of school closure during COVID-19 outbreaks in Ontario, Canada
Our study demonstrates that while SC (school closure) will mitigate disease transmission during the COVID-19 pandemic when combined by other social distancing measures, it may have markedly lower effectiveness in reducing attack rates and hospitalizations compared to SI (social isolation). [Ed: In other words, close schools and also keep your kids at home!]
https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-020-01705-8

Substantial Impact of School Closure on the Transmission Dynamics during the Pandemic Flu H1N1-2009 in Oita, Japan
"School closure is considered as an effective measure to prevent pandemic influenza. ... School closure was an effective intervention for mitigating the spread of influenza and should be implemented for more than 4 days. School closure has a remarkable impact on decreasing the number of infected students at the peak, but it does not substantially decrease the total number of infected students [because of a lack of social isolation during school closure]."
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0144839

The impact of unplanned school closure on children’s social contact: rapid evidence review
"During a major infectious disease outbreak, school closure has the potential to slow the spread of infection. However, the effects of a closure will be attenuated if children continue to mix."
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.13.2000188;jsessionid=MD6pjqtq_JZDJAf4Z3ZG6kXw.i-0b3d9850f4681504f-ecdclive


In short, you have no data to support your position that schools should close. Of course, that was expected.

Looks like lots of supporting data. You seem to be a liar.


You seem to not understand science.


Or data.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We'll be virtual one way or another. Schools will either make the tough call or kids and their classes will be on a rotating cycle of quarantines.

Meanwhile companies are all still out their touting their January returns to the office. What a ride 2022 is setting up to be.


Accurate.
Anonymous
https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status/1476445160129114112?s=21

2022 is going to be bad, bad, bad!!!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status/1476445160129114112?s=21

2022 is going to be bad, bad, bad!!!


Only because Joe Biden is president. But when the R's take back the senate and house it will get better, better, better.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status/1476445160129114112?s=21

2022 is going to be bad, bad, bad!!!


She is a Russian loon.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status/1476445160129114112?s=21

2022 is going to be bad, bad, bad!!!

This is absolute scare mongering nonsense for the sole purpose of generating likes and retweets.

If South Africa can successfully survive omnicron without turning into MadMax world, surely the US can and will survive as well.
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Anonymous wrote:Private schools are relatively small and very well resourced communities- just Boost everyone in the next 7 days - hold a clinic at the school or set it as a mandate for return

The parents have the motivation and the resources to get that done and most probably already have

Then pre- test everyone this weekend and see what the results are

If positive cases are low - and if everyone was Boosted in late Nov / early Dec as they likely were then schools should be able to open

Our DC was boosted in mid - November and his college roommate ( in a tiny dorm room with no ventilation) tested positive week of finals - sleeping 4 feet away from him our kid tested negative

The boosters work


My husband and I were boosted and we tested positive. I know many other people like us.
Boosters work about 75% of the time.


Same here plus the two kids. Hardly any symptoms.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:That’s a shitty response. Shut it all down. You have to start somewhere; schools are what’s on the table.

Ask yourselves why the US has so many more cases than everywhere else. Maybe some is more robust testing, but that only explains a small part. It’s because many are shitty at sacrificing for the common good. Make some sacrifice so we can get this under control. Five days of school is a small price to pay.


Why are schools on the table before everything else? If you have to start somewhere, then why not bars? Gyms? Movie theatres? Start there.

Schools should not close until everything else is shut down.


I think it’s easy for families to avoid bars, gyms and movie theatres but impossible to avoid school if the only option is in person without testing.


Shutting for five days will not help that situation. Or are you actually advocating for a return to virtual for months?
shutting down for four days to allow all to test prior to returning to campus, and then weekly testing, will reduce spread at schools.
Anonymous
Schools have to be fully staffed to operate safely. That’s the catch. Doesn’t matter if most of the students are out sick.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Schools have to be fully staffed to operate safely. That’s the catch. Doesn’t matter if most of the students are out sick.


Yep. Schools are going to run into the same staffing issues airlines are having. Not sure why people don’t get this.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Schools have to be fully staffed to operate safely. That’s the catch. Doesn’t matter if most of the students are out sick.


Yep. Schools are going to run into the same staffing issues airlines are having. Not sure why people don’t get this.


Because they don’t care. The adults are going to go down nobody has subs and then schools are virtual. Let’s run the experiment though.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status/1476445160129114112?s=21

2022 is going to be bad, bad, bad!!!


She is a Russian loon.


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