Anyone else think schools will be virtual after Winter Break?

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

"Might?" That where you are? My God. I can't even. Covid theater indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

But you are acting like this is the 1st 10 day closure. Not the case. This 10 day closure being proposed is after all most 2 years of parents having to put jobs on the way back burner. Many jobs could very well be on the line if another 10 days off is needed.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

But you are acting like this is the 1st 10 day closure. Not the case. This 10 day closure being proposed is after all most 2 years of parents having to put jobs on the way back burner. Many jobs could very well be on the line if another 10 days off is needed.

There is a screaming labor shortage in the country at the moment with millions more job openings than workers seeking employment. Employers are desperate to keep staff not fire them. Take that red herring and toss it in the trash.

Facts matter.

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Oh please. Good jobs are still hard to find. Employers are crying for people willing to work for $10.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

I have to believe this is a teenager who doesn't want to school in January.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

I have to believe this is a teenager who doesn't want to school in January.

Constructing a mythical straw man to argue against is a common but obviously useless way to argue against an actual point made by someone else. Throw in the ad hominem nature of the attack and you get a twofer in the argument fail score.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

I have to believe this is a teenager who doesn't want to school in January.

Constructing a mythical straw man to argue against is a common but obviously useless way to argue against an actual point made by someone else. Throw in the ad hominem nature of the attack and you get a twofer in the argument fail score.

There is no substance from that PP to even have a rational argument over. She herself admits there isn't even solid evidence a school shutdown will do anything to reduce covid spread. The best she has is a "maybe" combined with wild insults directed towards everyone, apparently, in society except for her.

I guess you are correct in that I should not insult teenagers by comparing them to PP.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

I have to believe this is a teenager who doesn't want to school in January.

Constructing a mythical straw man to argue against is a common but obviously useless way to argue against an actual point made by someone else. Throw in the ad hominem nature of the attack and you get a twofer in the argument fail score.

There is no substance from that PP to even have a rational argument over. She herself admits there isn't even solid evidence a school shutdown will do anything to reduce covid spread. The best she has is a "maybe" combined with wild insults directed towards everyone, apparently, in society except for her.

I guess you are correct in that I should not insult teenagers by comparing them to PP.

Good grief you need a hobby or a stiff drink.

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So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

"Might?" That where you are? My God. I can't even. Covid theater indeed.

+1. This argument presupposes that a school closure would be either neutral or positive for Covid spread, when it's likely neutral or negative.

We're not in lockdown. Almost everything else is open. Delaying school and nothing else won't do much. For older kids, they'll just spend time together anyway – maybe in smaller groups than at school, but likely with less supervision. For younger kids, unless they happen to have a parent who can work from home on little notice, you're looking at ad hoc childcare – often provided by older family members and friends. These smaller social and intergenerational groupings are exactly how Covid most often spreads.

We're at the point in the pandemic where we can't just make big sweeping decisions because they kinda seem like a good idea. We have almost two years worth of data and information. We can do better than that.

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

"Might?" That where you are? My God. I can't even. Covid theater indeed.

Epidemiologist back again. You are reading far too much into one word. Read this article.
https://www.science.org/content/article/does-closing-schools-slow-spread-novel-coronavirus

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Anonymous wrote:If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same. I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck.

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing.

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones.

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered.

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE. Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under. Well done.

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up.

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.

You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point.

"Might?" That where you are? My God. I can't even. Covid theater indeed.

Epidemiologist back again. You are reading far too much into one word. Read this article.
https://www.science.org/content/article/does-closing-schools-slow-spread-novel-coronavirus

I’m pretty sure the PP will eventually tell you too to learn some basic epidemiology. You know, like she has.

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I’m perfectly happy going DL for the first week while waiting on the PCR results to return, provided people aren’t behaving stupidly in the interim.

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Okay. For those of you advocating closure to supposedly stop community spread: what is your success metric? What studies are you using to justify that metric? Please be precise. I have seen very little actual science backing the closures, but I assume you have.