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How do you all know he (or his team) didn't reach out to the two men or others after the fact?
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That sort of situation was a no win situation for him. If he didn't attend, he would feel like he was missing out on yet another thing due to his disability. If he did attend, it was very obviously going to go something like this. BAFTA made a massive mistake by airing his vocal outburts on TV. It was nothing short of cruel, to both him and to the people who were on stage when it happened. And honestly? Some situations aren't suited for all people. I have panic attacks on airplanes, so you know what, I don't travel on airplanes. I could, if I had to- and on rare occasions, I have done just that- but it's highly unpleasant for me and I have nightmares about it both before and after. Maybe this person's disability didn't make the evening highly unpleasant for himself, but he made it highly unpleasant for the other honored guests, and maybe he should have just declined the invitation. Is it fair? No. It is incredibly unfair. But sometimes, things are incredibly unfair. It's also unfair that my neighbor's son has a recurrent brain tumor and less than 6 months to live. It's unfair for him that sitting in the audience during that large public ceremony wasn't a good idea, but, it wasn't. |
You really think the apology he released wouldn’t have mentioned it? |
The BAFTAs would probably also have gotten a lot of backlash if they hadn't invited him. The movie is a big hit and is based on his life story and his disability and the stigma and struggle he has had and how disruptive it has been to every aspect of his life - if they had said, no we didn't invite him as his disability (that the movie about) could disrupt others and so we didn't want him here - I doubt that would have gone over very well. Excluding him from that event solely due to his disability would not have been a good look. |
The BAFTAs really should have blocked it out. All three of the people involved got put into a very uncomfortable corner and at least if they had censored it they could have got in front of the issue before it blew up. |
| Oof, I hate that thread in this has been posted here, since there are barely any Black people in this forum. I’m sure this thread is filled with respectful and thoughtful discussion. |
This reiterates a point from an earlier posting.BAFTA is ultimately responsible for this but they'll be the party most insulated from harm. Presenters and others were already subjected to the slurs. Davidson has had what might be the highlight of his life turned into an absolute horror in a global scale. If his mental health takes a turn for the worst, or God forbid he tries to end his life, this becomes a disaster. And, likely, fingers will somehow be pointed at Black people and people who don't want them to have to endure racial slurs. I truly hope BAFTA loses a ton of money for gross negligence AND assumes all the responsibility for this mistake. |
In a perfect world, they absolutely would have invited him, and he would have thanked them for their kind invitation, and declined, with something along the lines of "I've learned over the years that attending something like this, where my tics will be loudly disruptive during a speech or presentation, just causes me undue stress and feelings of guilt and embarrassment, even when everyone is understanding and kind. Sticking to smaller, (and certainly untelevised!) gatherings is what keeps my mental health in a good place. But truly, thank you for the invitation." And then maybe they'd follow up with assurances that he would be welcome, and offer to have him come, and mingle before and after the ceremony, but watch the actual ceremony on a screen from the lobby (out of earshot from the speakers on stage), instead of in the general audience, if that would make him feel less anxious. There, I just solved the problem for next time! |
Perhaps he should have watched the ceremony in its entirety from wherever he went when he left the room because he did not leave the ceremony. He just left the room. There are pictures of him congratulating the actor who played him while the actor is holding the awards he won. He shouted during the first and second awards of the night. The categories that the actor won were presented much later in the ceremony. So technically he was still there and that worked out fine . |
Except part of the reason for the movie was to try and break down stigma and ignorance and decrease the exclusion of people with disabilities so it kind of seems really wrong for the movie to be making money and profiting onthat theme but the guy who is actually living it can't be accepted. I think the issue was more that there should have been more education and notification given to the guests and attendees and presenters and use it as a way of increasing awareness rather than using it as a way to further stigmatize and exclude him. His coprolalia based on what is in the movie has a wide range of socially inappropriate comments - there really isn't anyone who is 'safe' if he is seen as a bad person and people take it personally, he is going to offend everyone. The education they do in the movie is about ignoring it as any reaction tends to make it worse. |
Did nobody actually see the movie that was nominated? |
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I hope a lot of people do watch the movie, as a lot of what has happened in real life with the BAFTAs is already in the movie - including does he need to apologize for each tic, should be be able to attend public events, is he really a hateful person etc. He has dealt with it all before and I think the movie does a good job of humanizing him (and he still comes across as very imperfect) and also educating about the disability and helping people see how his tics are out of control and not representative of his beliefs.
I think a lot of people might reflect on this BAFTA event differently after watching the movie, More understanding of the coprolalia better helps people see him less as a racist or offensive person to have around. |
I haven’t said anything at all about “his whole life”, so, you’re arguing with yourself here. The most important thing in the one sentence that I wrote is the word “AND”. |
I stand by my opinion that putting the burden of ignoring it on people who are also experiencing a major professional achievement, on television, while screams of "F*** YOU!!" are being directed at them (by someone who wishes he were not screaming it, obviously) is unreasonable. In a grocery store, sure. On a bus? Sure. But if I'm trying to take the SAT and the person next to me is screaming the N word over and over, that's not fair to me, and no, I'm not going to accept that I just have to ignore it and bomb the test because inclusion is important. Do you see the difference? I am positive he doesn't mean to offend anyone or cause any harm. I am positive that the world needs to learn to be inclusive of people with coprolalia, when they're aware that someone has that disorder and are given a heads up. I'm also positive that people should not be told they need to just ignore it and accept it when it's being loudly directed at them, on an international stage, at the pinnacle of their career, accepting an award. |