Librarian with provocative t-shirt

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Anonymous wrote:It''s wild that you think loving a certain person is bad.

Is it okay to love men, women, football players, dogs, pirates, dancers, softball players?

What specifically bothers you?

NP, with kids in private schools.

It bothers me that an adult woman would think it is appropriate to wear something like this in front of children, whom she is presumably working primarily with all day. Horrible judgment, or worse.

OP I would report it. It's not OK. It's unprofessional at best, and possibly more sinister at worst.

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Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

I am a religious conservative. I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman and that homosexuality in a sin. But I also believe in freedom of assembly and we are not the taliban beating people into submission on the streets. My coworkers, customers (if I had a business), employees of places I do business with, teachers, students, etc, their sexuality is not my business day to day. One, people who call themselves "lesbians" exist. That librarian "loves" them. I guess that is a fact in his or her life, that us between him or her and God. Two, the "word" lesbian isn't a vulgarity in the English language so kids seeing it is not a problem. If they have a question about a word they can ask someone about it. Their parents can tell their kids to run unfamiliar words by them only, but that is up to them.

I commend you for your open mind, but I still don't think sexual-adjacent terms should be bandied about in primary school. And lesbian is such a term. I'd feel differently if this was secondary school.

Do any of the students there have lesbian mothers? The term is not offensive in itself.

Not in that year. I am fine with that type of t-shirts outside school setting. I was wondering if people thought it was appropriate in a school setting. If someone else bring a t-shirts saying “marriage is between a man a woman”, would that be ok as well or not ?

So presumably your child's class is not the only one that interacted with her that day. Some students who have lesbian mothers do go to the school but you think naming their mothers lesbian is offensive? To answer your second question, I couldn't care less if anyone wore a t-shit saying "marriage is between a man and a woman." Many do and I'm thankful to know where they stand. It's free speech.

I was curious why it is important for the teacher to let the students know their sexual preferences in the classroom. When I was a kid my teachers never discussed their sexual preferences or sexual life with the students.

Really, they never talked about their husband or wife? That's very hard to believe. Why are you so bothered by something that has a positive message? Perhaps you don't want to be reminded that lesbians exist? Would you be ok with the teacher referencing her wife in class?

Would you be ok if a teacher had a t-shirt that says “everybody knows that I love blonds” maybe it’s ok or maybe not ? Is it appropriate for school ?

But she is not wearing a shit saying "everyone knows I love blonds." We are discussing the one she is wearing. I would be uncomfortable with a whole lot of other shirts and wouldn't find them appropriate for school. This one is. Why do you not think so?

You are the one who has the issue with the shirt, so is this a clever way to ask "why don't you agree with me! Why! Why! Why!"

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Anonymous wrote:It''s wild that you think loving a certain person is bad.

Is it okay to love men, women, football players, dogs, pirates, dancers, softball players?

What specifically bothers you?

Never said that. My main question is about the dress code. I can imagine several t-shirts used by conservative Christians that would be offensive to the LGBTQ community. My point is whether it’s ok to bring the culture wars to school.

Ok of this is what you think go complain. What do you want us to do here on dcurbanmom.com?

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Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

I am a religious conservative. I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman and that homosexuality in a sin. But I also believe in freedom of assembly and we are not the taliban beating people into submission on the streets. My coworkers, customers (if I had a business), employees of places I do business with, teachers, students, etc, their sexuality is not my business day to day. One, people who call themselves "lesbians" exist. That librarian "loves" them. I guess that is a fact in his or her life, that us between him or her and God. Two, the "word" lesbian isn't a vulgarity in the English language so kids seeing it is not a problem. If they have a question about a word they can ask someone about it. Their parents can tell their kids to run unfamiliar words by them only, but that is up to them.

I commend you for your open mind, but I still don't think sexual-adjacent terms should be bandied about in primary school. And lesbian is such a term. I'd feel differently if this was secondary school.

Do any of the students there have lesbian mothers? The term is not offensive in itself.

Not in that year. I am fine with that type of t-shirts outside school setting. I was wondering if people thought it was appropriate in a school setting. If someone else bring a t-shirts saying “marriage is between a man a woman”, would that be ok as well or not ?

Some are saying yes is fine some are saying no. There, you have your answer. But now you want to argue?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

I am a religious conservative. I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman and that homosexuality in a sin. But I also believe in freedom of assembly and we are not the taliban beating people into submission on the streets. My coworkers, customers (if I had a business), employees of places I do business with, teachers, students, etc, their sexuality is not my business day to day. One, people who call themselves "lesbians" exist. That librarian "loves" them. I guess that is a fact in his or her life, that us between him or her and God. Two, the "word" lesbian isn't a vulgarity in the English language so kids seeing it is not a problem. If they have a question about a word they can ask someone about it. Their parents can tell their kids to run unfamiliar words by them only, but that is up to them.

I commend you for your open mind, but I still don't think sexual-adjacent terms should be bandied about in primary school. And lesbian is such a term. I'd feel differently if this was secondary school.

The word "lesbian" isn't sex adjacent! Honestly, how regressive can you be? I feel like I am reading a message board from the 1950s. Reducing the identity of "lesbian" to a sexual attraction or sexual behavior is ignorant and offensive. If you are a straight women, does that mean that your defining quality is that you like to sleep with men? Is that what makes you who you are? A lesbian is a woman who loves (*LOVES* not f---s) women. It's not a bad word or a dirty word. It is an identity and as PP said: lesbians exist. If you are hoping to keep your elementary aged kid from finding out that lesbians exists, I feel so sorry for your kid. Don't let your own obsessions, anxieties, and hang ups burden your kid. Let them try to grow into a normal, well-adjusted adult person who doesn't over-sexualize elementary school librarians and isn't weirded out by the fact that people different them exist in the world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

I am a religious conservative. I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman and that homosexuality in a sin. But I also believe in freedom of assembly and we are not the taliban beating people into submission on the streets. My coworkers, customers (if I had a business), employees of places I do business with, teachers, students, etc, their sexuality is not my business day to day. One, people who call themselves "lesbians" exist. That librarian "loves" them. I guess that is a fact in his or her life, that us between him or her and God. Two, the "word" lesbian isn't a vulgarity in the English language so kids seeing it is not a problem. If they have a question about a word they can ask someone about it. Their parents can tell their kids to run unfamiliar words by them only, but that is up to them.

I commend you for your open mind, but I still don't think sexual-adjacent terms should be bandied about in primary school. And lesbian is such a term. I'd feel differently if this was secondary school.

Well you are free to think what you think but what are we to do with these insights into your brain?

[Anonymous]

I know exactly what shirt you're talking about.

It's from Great Mythical Morning.

https://mythical.com/collections/everybody-knows-i-love-lesbians

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And it's the public schools that are indoctrinating kids? lol!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know exactly what shirt you're talking about.

It's from Great Mythical Morning.

https://mythical.com/collections/everybody-knows-i-love-lesbians

Hit enter too soon...

Definitely not appropriate for the workplace.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It''s wild that you think loving a certain person is bad.

Is it okay to love men, women, football players, dogs, pirates, dancers, softball players?

What specifically bothers you?

Never said that. My main question is about the dress code. I can imagine several t-shirts used by conservative Christians that would be offensive to the LGBTQ community. My point is whether it’s ok to bring the culture wars to school.

You mean, would it be OK to wear a Nazi shirt? And you’re comparing that too I love lesbians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It''s wild that you think loving a certain person is bad.

Is it okay to love men, women, football players, dogs, pirates, dancers, softball players?

What specifically bothers you?

NP, with kids in private schools.

It bothers me that an adult woman would think it is appropriate to wear something like this in front of children, whom she is presumably working primarily with all day. Horrible judgment, or worse.

OP I would report it. It's not OK. It's unprofessional at best, and possibly more sinister at worst.

What specifically makes this unprofessional as compared to I love football players? Or I love brides and grooms.?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

Maybe her husband is Greek and from the island of Lesbos?

-shrug-

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know exactly what shirt you're talking about.

It's from Great Mythical Morning.

https://mythical.com/collections/everybody-knows-i-love-lesbians

Ahhh..just came here to say this! It's inside baseball for Rhett and Link fans! And it isn't really sex even without context. It's not a hateful or graphic message, so I don't see the issue.

[Anonymous]

I think it's fine. The staff are not children and don't have to adhere to the same dress code they do. Librarians can be lesbians. Lesbians can have any job they want, and it's okay for them to be out.

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NP but I’d be uncomfortable with that shirt, because of the “sex-adjacency” of the word, as pointed out by a PP.
I would be totally okay with a shirt that says “Everybody knows I love women.” I would not be okay with shirts that say “Everybody knows I love heterosexuals” or “Everybody knows I love blonds” (objectifying). But then again as a kid I didn’t hit puberty until I was in seventh grade, and my school didn’t do sex ed until eighth. These days puberty is starting so early (9!?) for so many kids, and at least in FCPS some early form of sex-ed starts in elementary school…