Librarian with provocative t-shirt

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I have 5th graders and my gut reaction is that they know lesbians and we've always talked about how some people are gay and some people are straight and since it says "love" I don't find it to be sexual, so it wouldn't bother me. We know lesbians who love lesbians, so I guess all in all I'm in favor of normalizing people saying they're gay rather than feeling like they have to hide it. I get that the shirt is provocative and I personally wouldn't wear something like that to work (not a lesbian but sexuality isn't a topic I'd being into my work place) but I'd also expect my kids to see it and think it's not a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids' public schools have a dress code that includes no provocative slogans on T-shirts. Of course, they don't always enforce the dress code...

I don't think this is appropriate, particularly in elementary school.

At what age are you talking to your kids about *gasp* lesbians? My kids have known our friends who are gay/lesbian since before Kindergarten. Reading stuff like this reminds me how backwards we are. Why do you think being a lesbian is scandalous information for an elementary school kid?

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Anonymous wrote:My kids' public schools have a dress code that includes no provocative slogans on T-shirts. Of course, they don't always enforce the dress code...

I don't think this is appropriate, particularly in elementary school.

At what age are you talking to your kids about *gasp* lesbians? My kids have known our friends who are gay/lesbian since before Kindergarten. Reading stuff like this reminds me how backwards we are. Why do you think being a lesbian is scandalous information for an elementary school kid?

The real question is at what age do you say the word bride and groom. When do you normalize that 2 people are going to have sex?

if bride and groom = love not sex so does lesbian

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a gay woman with a child and I think it’s inappropriate. Did he definitely read it correctly? I’m wondering if it was a play on words?
I’d fact check the info.

It is correct information. I crossed checked. She always bring provocative t-shirts. Another time she was wearing t-shirt with two women kissing.

I think that is far more provocative but at the same time, are you people really not talking about sex with your elementary school kids? I'm from southern California so maybe I'm just far too laid back for you people but I'm not even a staunch liberal (voted for Romney but was good with Obama and have since abandoned the Republican party). I just can't imagine being that uptight.

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Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

I am a religious conservative. I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman and that homosexuality in a sin. But I also believe in freedom of assembly and we are not the taliban beating people into submission on the streets. My coworkers, customers (if I had a business), employees of places I do business with, teachers, students, etc, their sexuality is not my business day to day. One, people who call themselves "lesbians" exist. That librarian "loves" them. I guess that is a fact in his or her life, that us between him or her and God. Two, the "word" lesbian isn't a vulgarity in the English language so kids seeing it is not a problem. If they have a question about a word they can ask someone about it. Their parents can tell their kids to run unfamiliar words by them only, but that is up to them.

I commend you for your open mind, but I still don't think sexual-adjacent terms should be bandied about in primary school. And lesbian is such a term. I'd feel differently if this was secondary school.

Do any of the students there have lesbian mothers? The term is not offensive in itself.

Not in that year. I am fine with that type of t-shirts outside school setting. I was wondering if people thought it was appropriate in a school setting. If someone else bring a t-shirts saying “marriage is between a man a woman”, would that be ok as well or not ?

That's judgmental. The other one is not.

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Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

I am a religious conservative. I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman and that homosexuality in a sin. But I also believe in freedom of assembly and we are not the taliban beating people into submission on the streets. My coworkers, customers (if I had a business), employees of places I do business with, teachers, students, etc, their sexuality is not my business day to day. One, people who call themselves "lesbians" exist. That librarian "loves" them. I guess that is a fact in his or her life, that us between him or her and God. Two, the "word" lesbian isn't a vulgarity in the English language so kids seeing it is not a problem. If they have a question about a word they can ask someone about it. Their parents can tell their kids to run unfamiliar words by them only, but that is up to them.

I commend you for your open mind, but I still don't think sexual-adjacent terms should be bandied about in primary school. And lesbian is such a term. I'd feel differently if this was secondary school.

Do any of the students there have lesbian mothers? The term is not offensive in itself.

Not in that year. I am fine with that type of t-shirts outside school setting. I was wondering if people thought it was appropriate in a school setting. If someone else bring a t-shirts saying “marriage is between a man a woman”, would that be ok as well or not ?

So presumably your child's class is not the only one that interacted with her that day. Some students who have lesbian mothers do go to the school but you think naming their mothers lesbian is offensive? To answer your second question, I couldn't care less if anyone wore a t-shit saying "marriage is between a man and a woman." Many do and I'm thankful to know where they stand. It's free speech.

I was curious why it is important for the teacher to let the students know their sexual preferences in the classroom. When I was a kid my teachers never discussed their sexual preferences or sexual life with the students.

It's important to normalize it. I'm not saying the shirt is appropriate. But acting like LESBIAN is a bad word is obnoxious.

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Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

I am a religious conservative. I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman and that homosexuality in a sin. But I also believe in freedom of assembly and we are not the taliban beating people into submission on the streets. My coworkers, customers (if I had a business), employees of places I do business with, teachers, students, etc, their sexuality is not my business day to day. One, people who call themselves "lesbians" exist. That librarian "loves" them. I guess that is a fact in his or her life, that us between him or her and God. Two, the "word" lesbian isn't a vulgarity in the English language so kids seeing it is not a problem. If they have a question about a word they can ask someone about it. Their parents can tell their kids to run unfamiliar words by them only, but that is up to them.

I commend you for your open mind, but I still don't think sexual-adjacent terms should be bandied about in primary school. And lesbian is such a term. I'd feel differently if this was secondary school.

Do any of the students there have lesbian mothers? The term is not offensive in itself.

Not in that year. I am fine with that type of t-shirts outside school setting. I was wondering if people thought it was appropriate in a school setting. If someone else bring a t-shirts saying “marriage is between a man a woman”, would that be ok as well or not ?

So presumably your child's class is not the only one that interacted with her that day. Some students who have lesbian mothers do go to the school but you think naming their mothers lesbian is offensive? To answer your second question, I couldn't care less if anyone wore a t-shit saying "marriage is between a man and a woman." Many do and I'm thankful to know where they stand. It's free speech.

I was curious why it is important for the teacher to let the students know their sexual preferences in the classroom. When I was a kid my teachers never discussed their sexual preferences or sexual life with the students.

It's important to normalize it. I'm not saying the shirt is appropriate. But acting like LESBIAN is a bad word is obnoxious.

No one is saying lesbian is a bad word. They’re saying the librarians shirt is an inappropriate thing to wear at her job in an elementary school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a gay woman with a child and I think it’s inappropriate. Did he definitely read it correctly? I’m wondering if it was a play on words?
I’d fact check the info.

It is correct information. I crossed checked. She always bring provocative t-shirts. Another time she was wearing t-shirt with two women kissing.

I think that is far more provocative but at the same time, are you people really not talking about sex with your elementary school kids? I'm from southern California so maybe I'm just far too laid back for you people but I'm not even a staunch liberal (voted for Romney but was good with Obama and have since abandoned the Republican party). I just can't imagine being that uptight.

To me the point is that it is not really nothing special that a librarian is gay. Why there is a need to communicate that to everyone ?

For example people wearing t shirts with the Israel flags or Palestine flags should be normal but there are people that feel offended with those flags. Same with clothes with the American flag or maga. In those cases the dress code is not applied uniformly. I think for a school is more appropriate to have a minimum dress code so nobody gets offended with t-shirts that have slogans. After school you can wear anything you want.

Even if I am pro LGBQT I am not allowed to wear pro LGBQT t shirts at work and I am fine with that. Everybody should feel comfortable at work, and not only me.

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Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

I am a religious conservative. I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman and that homosexuality in a sin. But I also believe in freedom of assembly and we are not the taliban beating people into submission on the streets. My coworkers, customers (if I had a business), employees of places I do business with, teachers, students, etc, their sexuality is not my business day to day. One, people who call themselves "lesbians" exist. That librarian "loves" them. I guess that is a fact in his or her life, that us between him or her and God. Two, the "word" lesbian isn't a vulgarity in the English language so kids seeing it is not a problem. If they have a question about a word they can ask someone about it. Their parents can tell their kids to run unfamiliar words by them only, but that is up to them.

I commend you for your open mind, but I still don't think sexual-adjacent terms should be bandied about in primary school. And lesbian is such a term. I'd feel differently if this was secondary school.

Do any of the students there have lesbian mothers? The term is not offensive in itself.

Not in that year. I am fine with that type of t-shirts outside school setting. I was wondering if people thought it was appropriate in a school setting. If someone else bring a t-shirts saying “marriage is between a man a woman”, would that be ok as well or not ?

So presumably your child's class is not the only one that interacted with her that day. Some students who have lesbian mothers do go to the school but you think naming their mothers lesbian is offensive? To answer your second question, I couldn't care less if anyone wore a t-shit saying "marriage is between a man and a woman." Many do and I'm thankful to know where they stand. It's free speech.

I was curious why it is important for the teacher to let the students know their sexual preferences in the classroom. When I was a kid my teachers never discussed their sexual preferences or sexual life with the students.

It's important to normalize it. I'm not saying the shirt is appropriate. But acting like LESBIAN is a bad word is obnoxious.

No one is saying lesbian is a bad word. They’re saying the librarians shirt is an inappropriate thing to wear at her job in an elementary school.

Correction: No one is saying lesbian is a bad word, but OP and ONLY OP is repeatedly insisting that’s it’s somehow inappropriate for work to have this totally fine word on display.

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Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

I am a religious conservative. I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman and that homosexuality in a sin. But I also believe in freedom of assembly and we are not the taliban beating people into submission on the streets. My coworkers, customers (if I had a business), employees of places I do business with, teachers, students, etc, their sexuality is not my business day to day. One, people who call themselves "lesbians" exist. That librarian "loves" them. I guess that is a fact in his or her life, that us between him or her and God. Two, the "word" lesbian isn't a vulgarity in the English language so kids seeing it is not a problem. If they have a question about a word they can ask someone about it. Their parents can tell their kids to run unfamiliar words by them only, but that is up to them.

I commend you for your open mind, but I still don't think sexual-adjacent terms should be bandied about in primary school. And lesbian is such a term. I'd feel differently if this was secondary school.

Do any of the students there have lesbian mothers? The term is not offensive in itself.

Not in that year. I am fine with that type of t-shirts outside school setting. I was wondering if people thought it was appropriate in a school setting. If someone else bring a t-shirts saying “marriage is between a man a woman”, would that be ok as well or not ?

So presumably your child's class is not the only one that interacted with her that day. Some students who have lesbian mothers do go to the school but you think naming their mothers lesbian is offensive? To answer your second question, I couldn't care less if anyone wore a t-shit saying "marriage is between a man and a woman." Many do and I'm thankful to know where they stand. It's free speech.

I was curious why it is important for the teacher to let the students know their sexual preferences in the classroom. When I was a kid my teachers never discussed their sexual preferences or sexual life with the students.

It's important to normalize it. I'm not saying the shirt is appropriate. But acting like LESBIAN is a bad word is obnoxious.

No one is saying lesbian is a bad word. They’re saying the librarians shirt is an inappropriate thing to wear at her job in an elementary school.

Correction: No one is saying lesbian is a bad word, but OP and ONLY OP is repeatedly insisting that’s it’s somehow inappropriate for work to have this totally fine word on display.

Lucky you that you have flexible dress code.

Ask Budweiser how did it go by adding the pride flag to their bottles.

When you work it is important to feel comfortable and respected, but also not to clash with the values of the clients.
You can ignore that at your own peril.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a gay woman with a child and I think it’s inappropriate. Did he definitely read it correctly? I’m wondering if it was a play on words?
I’d fact check the info.

It is correct information. I crossed checked. She always bring provocative t-shirts. Another time she was wearing t-shirt with two women kissing.

I think that is far more provocative but at the same time, are you people really not talking about sex with your elementary school kids? I'm from southern California so maybe I'm just far too laid back for you people but I'm not even a staunch liberal (voted for Romney but was good with Obama and have since abandoned the Republican party). I just can't imagine being that uptight.

To me the point is that it is not really nothing special that a librarian is gay. Why there is a need to communicate that to everyone ?

For example people wearing t shirts with the Israel flags or Palestine flags should be normal but there are people that feel offended with those flags. Same with clothes with the American flag or maga. In those cases the dress code is not applied uniformly. I think for a school is more appropriate to have a minimum dress code so nobody gets offended with t-shirts that have slogans. After school you can wear anything you want.

Even if I am pro LGBQT I am not allowed to wear pro LGBQT t shirts at work and I am fine with that. Everybody should feel comfortable at work, and not only me.

Nice to see you up and at it again, OP. No one can accuse you of lacking persistence, but your basic framing of “it’s fine to be gay but don’t tell anyone “ or “don’t throw it in my face” is deeply homophobic. Also, OP, normal people don’t describe themselves as “pro LGBQT” or “anti- LGBTQ.” These are human people we are talking about who exist, not a political stand. People. Human people.

Seriously, where are you from? Is this your first time away from home? Did you move to town recently because your husband got a job in the new administration? Maybe pace yourself a little bit. If you go bananas over a t-shirt like this within a couple of months of getting here, how are you going to have the energy to process and adapt to the fact that everyone your child meets at school (which will become his primary influences in a couple of years) are going to view these types of issues the way the librarian and DCUM do?

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Anonymous wrote:My son in 4th grade told me that the librarian was wearing the t-shirt with the message “Everybody knows I love lesbians”. What do you think about the dress code in elementary schools? Is that ok ?

I am a religious conservative. I think marriage should only be between a man and a woman and that homosexuality in a sin. But I also believe in freedom of assembly and we are not the taliban beating people into submission on the streets. My coworkers, customers (if I had a business), employees of places I do business with, teachers, students, etc, their sexuality is not my business day to day. One, people who call themselves "lesbians" exist. That librarian "loves" them. I guess that is a fact in his or her life, that us between him or her and God. Two, the "word" lesbian isn't a vulgarity in the English language so kids seeing it is not a problem. If they have a question about a word they can ask someone about it. Their parents can tell their kids to run unfamiliar words by them only, but that is up to them.

I commend you for your open mind, but I still don't think sexual-adjacent terms should be bandied about in primary school. And lesbian is such a term. I'd feel differently if this was secondary school.

Do any of the students there have lesbian mothers? The term is not offensive in itself.

Not in that year. I am fine with that type of t-shirts outside school setting. I was wondering if people thought it was appropriate in a school setting. If someone else bring a t-shirts saying “marriage is between a man a woman”, would that be ok as well or not ?

So presumably your child's class is not the only one that interacted with her that day. Some students who have lesbian mothers do go to the school but you think naming their mothers lesbian is offensive? To answer your second question, I couldn't care less if anyone wore a t-shit saying "marriage is between a man and a woman." Many do and I'm thankful to know where they stand. It's free speech.

I was curious why it is important for the teacher to let the students know their sexual preferences in the classroom. When I was a kid my teachers never discussed their sexual preferences or sexual life with the students.

It's important to normalize it. I'm not saying the shirt is appropriate. But acting like LESBIAN is a bad word is obnoxious.

No one is saying lesbian is a bad word. They’re saying the librarians shirt is an inappropriate thing to wear at her job in an elementary school.

Correction: No one is saying lesbian is a bad word, but OP and ONLY OP is repeatedly insisting that’s it’s somehow inappropriate for work to have this totally fine word on display.

Lucky you that you have flexible dress code.

Ask Budweiser how did it go by adding the pride flag to their bottles.

When you work it is important to feel comfortable and respected, but also not to clash with the values of the clients.
You can ignore that at your own peril.

Describe for us the specific “value” that this t-shirt clashes with, OP. Put it into words.