New TJ Lawsuit Filed 3/10/21 by Pacific Legal Foundation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:While most posters on this forum are driven by a sense of propriety and not malice - casual anti-Asian racism can lead you here

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/us/metro-atlanta-shootings/index.html

Some pro FCPS admin posters here may not recognize their own casual anti-Asian racism, but they are perpetuating the same old racial stereotype and prejudice towards Asian communities. They don't really have any hard evidence to back up their assertion but they claimed things like "most TJ parents are here illegally", "far far too many TJ kids having mental health issues", "they cheat and prep", etc. In today's environment causal racism is deadly. Before spewing out your own prejudice ask yourself if you have real data to back it up.

It's sad that you are using this tragedy to make your keep TJ it is argument. SMH.

What is sad is how the “reformers” are following the Trumpian approach to make their majoritarian argument. Mexicans are rapists and Asians are one-dimensional cheaters. Stereotypes and name calling is the way to go. George Floyd was an isolated tragedy - how uncouth of you to use a tragedy to trigger a discussion on systemic racism. Deny the problem. Ignore leading indicators that point to anti-minority sentiment.

There is clearly reform needed on TJ admissions but the current approach is how poll taxes were used to bypass the fifteenth amendment. The new method gets the outcome the School Board needs and in the larger scheme of things equity vis-a-vis Asians is affordable collateral damage.

This is nonsense on about ten different levels. The only reason this conversation is even tangentially about Asians is because they are over represented in the TJ community by a factor of about 3.5-4.

You don’t get to cry “equity” when the likely upshot of all of this is that you become a slightly less dominant majority.

Kids at TJ (of all races) graduate with significant deficiencies in cultural fluency because they exist in a homogeneous space. That was the case when TJ was 60% white, and it remains the case now that TJ is 70+% Asian.

What you’re upset about is that the new process makes it more difficult to exert parental influence and resources on the process, and you believe you’re entitled to that advantage because you care more about TJ from an earlier age than other parents.

But the reality is, both the kids who get in to TJ with this new process and the kids who DON’T get in because of this new process will exist in spaces that are far more likely to produce positive educational environments and outcomes for the respective students.

I, and many others, disagree with pretty much everything you just said. You are also disparaging TJ graduates and could not be more wrong about their cultural fluency. This forum is packed full of complainers that know nothing about the school other than the fact that their little Larlo couldn't get in because he isn't as bright as mommy and daddy thought he was.

The staggering lack of cultural fluency displayed by the folks claiming to be TJ parents on this form kinda proves my point. The apple, as it were, doesn’t fall too far from the tree.

But unless you’ve had dozens of conversations with TJ graduates centering around how different it is to be around kids who don’t look like them in college, kindly have a seat. They know they’re sheltered. And they know they’re brought up with racist attitudes - white kids too, big time, btw. They suffer from the lack of representation as well.

Lord help me if I ever name any kids I have Larlo. I’ll admit that’s amusing.

Who needs STEM when we can just have PP give lectures on Kendi and “cultural literacy”?

[Anonymous]

Sure, if you say so.

I hope you will read the news involving hate and harassment if Asian Americans and try a bit harder to watch your language. Pro tip— if you call a space with lots of Asian Americans toxic, you’re on the wrong path.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While most posters on this forum are driven by a sense of propriety and not malice - casual anti-Asian racism can lead you here

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/us/metro-atlanta-shootings/index.html

Some pro FCPS admin posters here may not recognize their own casual anti-Asian racism, but they are perpetuating the same old racial stereotype and prejudice towards Asian communities. They don't really have any hard evidence to back up their assertion but they claimed things like "most TJ parents are here illegally", "far far too many TJ kids having mental health issues", "they cheat and prep", etc. In today's environment causal racism is deadly. Before spewing out your own prejudice ask yourself if you have real data to back it up.

It's sad that you are using this tragedy to make your keep TJ it is argument. SMH.

What is sad is how the “reformers” are following the Trumpian approach to make their majoritarian argument. Mexicans are rapists and Asians are one-dimensional cheaters. Stereotypes and name calling is the way to go. George Floyd was an isolated tragedy - how uncouth of you to use a tragedy to trigger a discussion on systemic racism. Deny the problem. Ignore leading indicators that point to anti-minority sentiment.

There is clearly reform needed on TJ admissions but the current approach is how poll taxes were used to bypass the fifteenth amendment. The new method gets the outcome the School Board needs and in the larger scheme of things equity vis-a-vis Asians is affordable collateral damage.

This is nonsense on about ten different levels. The only reason this conversation is even tangentially about Asians is because they are over represented in the TJ community by a factor of about 3.5-4.

You don’t get to cry “equity” when the likely upshot of all of this is that you become a slightly less dominant majority.

Kids at TJ (of all races) graduate with significant deficiencies in cultural fluency because they exist in a homogeneous space. That was the case when TJ was 60% white, and it remains the case now that TJ is 70+% Asian.

What you’re upset about is that the new process makes it more difficult to exert parental influence and resources on the process, and you believe you’re entitled to that advantage because you care more about TJ from an earlier age than other parents.

But the reality is, both the kids who get in to TJ with this new process and the kids who DON’T get in because of this new process will exist in spaces that are far more likely to produce positive educational environments and outcomes for the respective students.

I, and many others, disagree with pretty much everything you just said. You are also disparaging TJ graduates and could not be more wrong about their cultural fluency. This forum is packed full of complainers that know nothing about the school other than the fact that their little Larlo couldn't get in because he isn't as bright as mommy and daddy thought he was.

The staggering lack of cultural fluency displayed by the folks claiming to be TJ parents on this form kinda proves my point. The apple, as it were, doesn’t fall too far from the tree.

But unless you’ve had dozens of conversations with TJ graduates centering around how different it is to be around kids who don’t look like them in college, kindly have a seat. They know they’re sheltered. And they know they’re brought up with racist attitudes - white kids too, big time, btw. They suffer from the lack of representation as well.

Lord help me if I ever name any kids I have Larlo. I’ll admit that’s amusing.

Who needs STEM when we can just have PP give lectures on Kendi and “cultural literacy”?

Believe it or not, you can have both! And they complement each other beautifully

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you say so.

I hope you will read the news involving hate and harassment if Asian Americans and try a bit harder to watch your language. Pro tip— if you call a space with lots of Asian Americans toxic, you’re on the wrong path.

What happened in Atlanta is disgusting and unconscionable. Trying to use those horrific hate-filled murders to justify shutting down a conversation about how harmful TJ’s culture of hyper competition can be to its students simply because it happens to have a high concentration of Asian-Americans is grossly tone-deaf.

It’s important to note here that we will have accomplished absolutely nothing if the racial composition of the school changes but the culture of comparison doesn’t.

[Anonymous]

Clueless as expected. You know racism isn’t only against African Americans as you read about in the books this summer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you say so.

I hope you will read the news involving hate and harassment if Asian Americans and try a bit harder to watch your language. Pro tip— if you call a space with lots of Asian Americans toxic, you’re on the wrong path.

What happened in Atlanta is disgusting and unconscionable. Trying to use those horrific hate-filled murders to justify shutting down a conversation about how harmful TJ’s culture of hyper competition can be to its students simply because it happens to have a high concentration of Asian-Americans is grossly tone-deaf.

It’s important to note here that we will have accomplished absolutely nothing if the racial composition of the school changes but the culture of comparison doesn’t.

Do you have firsthand experience with TJ’s “culture”? I do and disagree with your depiction. I also find you deeply in denial of your racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you say so.

I hope you will read the news involving hate and harassment if Asian Americans and try a bit harder to watch your language. Pro tip— if you call a space with lots of Asian Americans toxic, you’re on the wrong path.

What happened in Atlanta is disgusting and unconscionable. Trying to use those horrific hate-filled murders to justify shutting down a conversation about how harmful TJ’s culture of hyper competition can be to its students simply because it happens to have a high concentration of Asian-Americans is grossly tone-deaf.

It’s important to note here that we will have accomplished absolutely nothing if the racial composition of the school changes but the culture of comparison doesn’t.

That is one incident that hasn’t even been shown to be race related yet. Harassment and attacks against Asian Americans are up 190% in the past year and are underreported. Asian Americans are under attack and your efforts on this board just add to it. Educate yourself a little more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you say so.

I hope you will read the news involving hate and harassment if Asian Americans and try a bit harder to watch your language. Pro tip— if you call a space with lots of Asian Americans toxic, you’re on the wrong path.

What happened in Atlanta is disgusting and unconscionable. Trying to use those horrific hate-filled murders to justify shutting down a conversation about how harmful TJ’s culture of hyper competition can be to its students simply because it happens to have a high concentration of Asian-Americans is grossly tone-deaf.

It’s important to note here that we will have accomplished absolutely nothing if the racial composition of the school changes but the culture of comparison doesn’t.

It is not tone deaf at all. Racism does not announce itself with a noose in the front yard. It starts with subtle and insidious (and outwardly innocuous) narratives that unfortunately culminate in catastrophic events like Atlanta. There is enough and more of this self serving anti-Asian stereotyping on this Board. The glib PP who refers to “a lack of cultural fluency” is just perpetuating a stereotype. It is no coincidence that recent Indian characters on TV - Raj, Apu and Baljeet are all nerds in need of “cultural fluency”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you say so.

I hope you will read the news involving hate and harassment if Asian Americans and try a bit harder to watch your language. Pro tip— if you call a space with lots of Asian Americans toxic, you’re on the wrong path.

What happened in Atlanta is disgusting and unconscionable. Trying to use those horrific hate-filled murders to justify shutting down a conversation about how harmful TJ’s culture of hyper competition can be to its students simply because it happens to have a high concentration of Asian-Americans is grossly tone-deaf.

It’s important to note here that we will have accomplished absolutely nothing if the racial composition of the school changes but the culture of comparison doesn’t.

Do you have firsthand experience with TJ’s “culture”? I do and disagree with your depiction. I also find you deeply in denial of your racism.

The pro "reform" crowd here have no knowledge of TJ. They are not TJ parents. They don't have any data to back up their hateful rhetoric either. They are merely spewing out their own racism and prejudice towards a community they don't know. They are not URMs this policy is meant to help (shift the blame to another minority). The latest insult is Asians' inadequate "cultural fluency". They are for the most part the current privileged class who stand to benefit the most from the new policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While most posters on this forum are driven by a sense of propriety and not malice - casual anti-Asian racism can lead you here

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/us/metro-atlanta-shootings/index.html

Some pro FCPS admin posters here may not recognize their own casual anti-Asian racism, but they are perpetuating the same old racial stereotype and prejudice towards Asian communities. They don't really have any hard evidence to back up their assertion but they claimed things like "most TJ parents are here illegally", "far far too many TJ kids having mental health issues", "they cheat and prep", etc. In today's environment causal racism is deadly. Before spewing out your own prejudice ask yourself if you have real data to back it up.

It's sad that you are using this tragedy to make your keep TJ it is argument. SMH.

What is sad is how the “reformers” are following the Trumpian approach to make their majoritarian argument. Mexicans are rapists and Asians are one-dimensional cheaters. Stereotypes and name calling is the way to go. George Floyd was an isolated tragedy - how uncouth of you to use a tragedy to trigger a discussion on systemic racism. Deny the problem. Ignore leading indicators that point to anti-minority sentiment.

There is clearly reform needed on TJ admissions but the current approach is how poll taxes were used to bypass the fifteenth amendment. The new method gets the outcome the School Board needs and in the larger scheme of things equity vis-a-vis Asians is affordable collateral damage.

This is nonsense on about ten different levels. The only reason this conversation is even tangentially about Asians is because they are over represented in the TJ community by a factor of about 3.5-4.

You don’t get to cry “equity” when the likely upshot of all of this is that you become a slightly less dominant majority.

Kids at TJ (of all races) graduate with significant deficiencies in cultural fluency because they exist in a homogeneous space. That was the case when TJ was 60% white, and it remains the case now that TJ is 70+% Asian.

What you’re upset about is that the new process makes it more difficult to exert parental influence and resources on the process, and you believe you’re entitled to that advantage because you care more about TJ from an earlier age than other parents.

But the reality is, both the kids who get in to TJ with this new process and the kids who DON’T get in because of this new process will exist in spaces that are far more likely to produce positive educational environments and outcomes for the respective students.

NP
I don't know about the history of this school, but was anything done to reform TJ when it used to be majority white?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you say so.

I hope you will read the news involving hate and harassment if Asian Americans and try a bit harder to watch your language. Pro tip— if you call a space with lots of Asian Americans toxic, you’re on the wrong path.

What happened in Atlanta is disgusting and unconscionable. Trying to use those horrific hate-filled murders to justify shutting down a conversation about how harmful TJ’s culture of hyper competition can be to its students simply because it happens to have a high concentration of Asian-Americans is grossly tone-deaf.

It’s important to note here that we will have accomplished absolutely nothing if the racial composition of the school changes but the culture of comparison doesn’t.

Do you have firsthand experience with TJ’s “culture”? I do and disagree with your depiction. I also find you deeply in denial of your racism.

The pro "reform" crowd here have no knowledge of TJ. They are not TJ parents. They don't have any data to back up their hateful rhetoric either. They are merely spewing out their own racism and prejudice towards a community they don't know. They are not URMs this policy is meant to help (shift the blame to another minority). The latest insult is Asians' inadequate "cultural fluency". They are for the most part the current privileged class who stand to benefit the most from the new policy.

lol @ TJ parents thinking they know anything about TJ

most TJ kids literally never have a class with a black kid

i didn’t and when I got to college it was a real wake up call - my parents have no idea how racist they are

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While most posters on this forum are driven by a sense of propriety and not malice - casual anti-Asian racism can lead you here

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/us/metro-atlanta-shootings/index.html

Some pro FCPS admin posters here may not recognize their own casual anti-Asian racism, but they are perpetuating the same old racial stereotype and prejudice towards Asian communities. They don't really have any hard evidence to back up their assertion but they claimed things like "most TJ parents are here illegally", "far far too many TJ kids having mental health issues", "they cheat and prep", etc. In today's environment causal racism is deadly. Before spewing out your own prejudice ask yourself if you have real data to back it up.

It's sad that you are using this tragedy to make your keep TJ it is argument. SMH.

What is sad is how the “reformers” are following the Trumpian approach to make their majoritarian argument. Mexicans are rapists and Asians are one-dimensional cheaters. Stereotypes and name calling is the way to go. George Floyd was an isolated tragedy - how uncouth of you to use a tragedy to trigger a discussion on systemic racism. Deny the problem. Ignore leading indicators that point to anti-minority sentiment.

There is clearly reform needed on TJ admissions but the current approach is how poll taxes were used to bypass the fifteenth amendment. The new method gets the outcome the School Board needs and in the larger scheme of things equity vis-a-vis Asians is affordable collateral damage.

This is nonsense on about ten different levels. The only reason this conversation is even tangentially about Asians is because they are over represented in the TJ community by a factor of about 3.5-4.

You don’t get to cry “equity” when the likely upshot of all of this is that you become a slightly less dominant majority.

Kids at TJ (of all races) graduate with significant deficiencies in cultural fluency because they exist in a homogeneous space. That was the case when TJ was 60% white, and it remains the case now that TJ is 70+% Asian.

What you’re upset about is that the new process makes it more difficult to exert parental influence and resources on the process, and you believe you’re entitled to that advantage because you care more about TJ from an earlier age than other parents.

But the reality is, both the kids who get in to TJ with this new process and the kids who DON’T get in because of this new process will exist in spaces that are far more likely to produce positive educational environments and outcomes for the respective students.

NP
I don't know about the history of this school, but was anything done to reform TJ when it used to be majority white?

Yes. FCPS has tried to adjust the admissions process at least a half a dozen times without any real success.

Here’s one example that references others from 2001:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2001/10/25/no-easy-road-to-consensus-on-thomas-jefferson/9e6c0c3b-f4c9-4f8e-a356-8b3cd0dd9f60/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you say so.

I hope you will read the news involving hate and harassment if Asian Americans and try a bit harder to watch your language. Pro tip— if you call a space with lots of Asian Americans toxic, you’re on the wrong path.

What happened in Atlanta is disgusting and unconscionable. Trying to use those horrific hate-filled murders to justify shutting down a conversation about how harmful TJ’s culture of hyper competition can be to its students simply because it happens to have a high concentration of Asian-Americans is grossly tone-deaf.

It’s important to note here that we will have accomplished absolutely nothing if the racial composition of the school changes but the culture of comparison doesn’t.

Do you have firsthand experience with TJ’s “culture”? I do and disagree with your depiction. I also find you deeply in denial of your racism.

The pro "reform" crowd here have no knowledge of TJ. They are not TJ parents. They don't have any data to back up their hateful rhetoric either. They are merely spewing out their own racism and prejudice towards a community they don't know. They are not URMs this policy is meant to help (shift the blame to another minority). The latest insult is Asians' inadequate "cultural fluency". They are for the most part the current privileged class who stand to benefit the most from the new policy.

lol @ TJ parents thinking they know anything about TJ

most TJ kids literally never have a class with a black kid

i didn’t and when I got to college it was a real wake up call - my parents have no idea how racist they are

I went to a Catholic high school and literally never had a Jew in a class (or Muslim or ...), but neither myself, my parents, nor my children are Anti-Semitic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, if you say so.

I hope you will read the news involving hate and harassment if Asian Americans and try a bit harder to watch your language. Pro tip— if you call a space with lots of Asian Americans toxic, you’re on the wrong path.

What happened in Atlanta is disgusting and unconscionable. Trying to use those horrific hate-filled murders to justify shutting down a conversation about how harmful TJ’s culture of hyper competition can be to its students simply because it happens to have a high concentration of Asian-Americans is grossly tone-deaf.

It’s important to note here that we will have accomplished absolutely nothing if the racial composition of the school changes but the culture of comparison doesn’t.

Do you have firsthand experience with TJ’s “culture”? I do and disagree with your depiction. I also find you deeply in denial of your racism.

The pro "reform" crowd here have no knowledge of TJ. They are not TJ parents. They don't have any data to back up their hateful rhetoric either. They are merely spewing out their own racism and prejudice towards a community they don't know. They are not URMs this policy is meant to help (shift the blame to another minority). The latest insult is Asians' inadequate "cultural fluency". They are for the most part the current privileged class who stand to benefit the most from the new policy.

lol @ TJ parents thinking they know anything about TJ

most TJ kids literally never have a class with a black kid

i didn’t and when I got to college it was a real wake up call - my parents have no idea how racist they are

I went to a Catholic high school and literally never had a Jew in a class (or Muslim or ...), but neither myself, my parents, nor my children are Anti-Semitic.

it doesn't make you racist to not have a race in your school

but it makes it a lot harder for you to overcome the racism you might have been brought up with

if your parents had been anti-semitic, chances are good you would have been too unless you spent time with jewish kids and their families

this seems obvious to me but ehh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While most posters on this forum are driven by a sense of propriety and not malice - casual anti-Asian racism can lead you here

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/16/us/metro-atlanta-shootings/index.html

Some pro FCPS admin posters here may not recognize their own casual anti-Asian racism, but they are perpetuating the same old racial stereotype and prejudice towards Asian communities. They don't really have any hard evidence to back up their assertion but they claimed things like "most TJ parents are here illegally", "far far too many TJ kids having mental health issues", "they cheat and prep", etc. In today's environment causal racism is deadly. Before spewing out your own prejudice ask yourself if you have real data to back it up.

Exactly. There is a huge amount of casual anti-Asian racism in this community and on this board. Those people need to examine their thoughts and statements. Many are from those who fully adopted the anti-racist philosophy but have no awareness of their own racism against Asian Americans. It’s not just trumpers who do it. It has become a huge problem in America and those folks need to own up to their own thinking and statements.

It is worth noting that the folks who advocate for the status quo with respect to elite school admissions find a lot of friends in the Trumpist community.

The reason is because they hate Black folks WAY more than they hate you, and you do a good job of keeping them out of "their" schools.

But they still hate you enough to commit atrocities against you given the opportunity. They are using you.

Taking race out of admissions is not the same as hate. It's looking for equality in admissions decisions as opposed to affirmative action.

Equality based on what? Some misguided notion of “merit” as narrowly and conveniently defined by an ability to study for a high-stakes exam?

You mean like what is required to practice most professions?