Discrimination against Asians

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So no one is backing up with specifics the prior claims that the Asian enrollment would dip to 33%?

OK. Just checking because sometimes people do actually do more than simply spread rumors.

Check the numbers: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17MtkF0_fva32Y8dfvr5ewXhl4zgc62pT5ofn9TsXozg/edit#gid=282450905

And a summary of results: https://asrainvestigates.substack.com/p/breaking-analysis-tj-lottery-would?r=1k5zy

Thank you for sharing. I notice that the projection is based on an assumption that every eligible student would apply for the lottery. That is a big assumption to make when we know many families move to certain areas so their kids can attend a specific neighborhood high school, not TJ. I also see that the authors call the lottery a "targeted attack on three middle schools" that currently send a large number of kids to TJ, not an attack on Asians; the basis for an alleged anti-Asian bias is a statement made by a single former Carson MS teacher before the General Assembly in 2018 calling families moving to the USA from India "ravenous," which itself could be read to mean they are eager for knowledge and not as an insult.

What it tells me is that no one really knows what the impact would be, because the FCPS projections appear to have been based on a pre-lottery applicant pool, and the analysis you shared is based on an unrealistic assumption that every eligible student would participate in the lottery. While a lottery is intended to, and would, induce additional applications from groups who have felt they had no realistic shot at TJ, it seems far more likely that the lottery participants will remain heavily Asian, both in terms of their eligibility for, and interest in, TJ.

They can't have it both ways. They claim many URMs and other racial groups want to apply to TJ. The obstacle is too many Asians making the school undesirable for them. But now that obstacle is removed, they still don't want to apply. So what's the point of this proposal? I am confused.

The proposal is dead anyway.

Why do you say that?

Because it makes him feel better. Whether it has an factual basis is clearly secondary.

[Anonymous]

Senior management is cut off to Asians. OP's post.

College is cut off to Asians:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/23/ivy-league-college-asians-race-jews-students-diversity-discrimination-quotas-column/19445201/

They want to cut off just more and more.

No wonder Asians work hard. They feel like they have to win against all odds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Senior management is cut off to Asians. OP's post.

College is cut off to Asians:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/23/ivy-league-college-asians-race-jews-students-diversity-discrimination-quotas-column/19445201/

They want to cut off just more and more.

No wonder Asians work hard. They feel like they have to win against all odds.

This is actually what I tell my children. And they work hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Senior management is cut off to Asians. OP's post.

College is cut off to Asians:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/23/ivy-league-college-asians-race-jews-students-diversity-discrimination-quotas-column/19445201/

They want to cut off just more and more.

No wonder Asians work hard. They feel like they have to win against all odds.

DH and I immigrated to the US back in the 80s. We have done quite well for ourselves. Our parents had few opportunities with limited language. We have a seven figure income. Our children are extremely well rounded. They will have a far different experience than we did. I am not worried at all about discrimination against Asians. We are a diverse group. DH and I had to work hard, had no help from our parents and now have a seven figure income. We know many extremely wealthy Asians coming to the US. You will see a vastly different Asian population going forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Senior management is cut off to Asians. OP's post.

College is cut off to Asians:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/23/ivy-league-college-asians-race-jews-students-diversity-discrimination-quotas-column/19445201/

They want to cut off just more and more.

No wonder Asians work hard. They feel like they have to win against all odds.

DH and I immigrated to the US back in the 80s. We have done quite well for ourselves. Our parents had few opportunities with limited language. We have a seven figure income. Our children are extremely well rounded. They will have a far different experience than we did. I am not worried at all about discrimination against Asians. We are a diverse group. DH and I had to work hard, had no help from our parents and now have a seven figure income. We know many extremely wealthy Asians coming to the US. You will see a vastly different Asian population going forward.

Your personal story is nice. Congratulations. Your hard paid off and you did not face discrimination.

My parents barely spoke English. They drove a car that was too embarrassing to show to others, so we parked several blocks away from our destination. I was ridiculed as a kid to go back to China, even though I was not Chinese. Every step of the way, school mates picked me last in games. I saw my white friends get into better colleges with lower scores. They were picked for leading roles in class plays. After college, I have seen many workmates get promotions with far thinner CVs than mine. I do not have a 7 figure income. I am ok financially though. To each their own.

But which story Asians relate to more? I wonder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Senior management is cut off to Asians. OP's post.

College is cut off to Asians:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/23/ivy-league-college-asians-race-jews-students-diversity-discrimination-quotas-column/19445201/

They want to cut off just more and more.

No wonder Asians work hard. They feel like they have to win against all odds.

DH and I immigrated to the US back in the 80s. We have done quite well for ourselves. Our parents had few opportunities with limited language. We have a seven figure income. Our children are extremely well rounded. They will have a far different experience than we did. I am not worried at all about discrimination against Asians. We are a diverse group. DH and I had to work hard, had no help from our parents and now have a seven figure income. We know many extremely wealthy Asians coming to the US. You will see a vastly different Asian population going forward.

Your personal story is nice. Congratulations. Your hard paid off and you did not face discrimination.

My parents barely spoke English. They drove a car that was too embarrassing to show to others, so we parked several blocks away from our destination. I was ridiculed as a kid to go back to China, even though I was not Chinese. Every step of the way, school mates picked me last in games. I saw my white friends get into better colleges with lower scores. They were picked for leading roles in class plays. After college, I have seen many workmates get promotions with far thinner CVs than mine. I do not have a 7 figure income. I am ok financially though. To each their own.

But which story Asians relate to more? I wonder.

Pp here. I also got dropped off at school in a beat up old car. I clearly remember being embarrassed when my parents drove me to school. I was often the token minority. Back when I was a kid, if there were a handful of high achieving Asians, that was fine. Now there are too many of us. You have got the children of poor immigrants who were like me when I was a kid, UMC Asian Americans like my kids, the uber rich kids from Asia, the kids of Asian H1 visa tech workers and everything in between.

I am all for getting more URMs and spreading out admissions throughout the regions. I am against a lottery. I am also totally fine with getting rid of the entrance exam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Senior management is cut off to Asians. OP's post.

College is cut off to Asians:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/23/ivy-league-college-asians-race-jews-students-diversity-discrimination-quotas-column/19445201/

They want to cut off just more and more.

No wonder Asians work hard. They feel like they have to win against all odds.

DH and I immigrated to the US back in the 80s. We have done quite well for ourselves. Our parents had few opportunities with limited language. We have a seven figure income. Our children are extremely well rounded. They will have a far different experience than we did. I am not worried at all about discrimination against Asians. We are a diverse group. DH and I had to work hard, had no help from our parents and now have a seven figure income. We know many extremely wealthy Asians coming to the US. You will see a vastly different Asian population going forward.

Your personal story is nice. Congratulations. Your hard paid off and you did not face discrimination.

My parents barely spoke English. They drove a car that was too embarrassing to show to others, so we parked several blocks away from our destination. I was ridiculed as a kid to go back to China, even though I was not Chinese. Every step of the way, school mates picked me last in games. I saw my white friends get into better colleges with lower scores. They were picked for leading roles in class plays. After college, I have seen many workmates get promotions with far thinner CVs than mine. I do not have a 7 figure income. I am ok financially though. To each their own.

But which story Asians relate to more? I wonder.

Pp here. I also got dropped off at school in a beat up old car. I clearly remember being embarrassed when my parents drove me to school. I was often the token minority. Back when I was a kid, if there were a handful of high achieving Asians, that was fine. Now there are too many of us. You have got the children of poor immigrants who were like me when I was a kid, UMC Asian Americans like my kids, the uber rich kids from Asia, the kids of Asian H1 visa tech workers and everything in between.

I am all for getting more URMs and spreading out admissions throughout the regions. I am against a lottery. I am also totally fine with getting rid of the entrance exam.

Too many of us. Asians make up 5.6 percent of American society. If one stares at a TV screen, you will realize it is very rare to see Asians in lead roles, even in commercials. We celebrate Crazy Rich Asians as an all-Asian cast movie for that reason. We celebrate Black Panther for a similar reason. Why cannot society celebrate TJ for what it is? And to think that Asians is one race is silly. We have one and only one thing in common. Our skin color is not white. It is quite offensive to be assumed you are from a particular country when you are not, for those who care. And there are about 50 countries in Asia. I am all for more “URM” students at TJ. There is a good chance that Whites will be the largest demographic at TJ after the lottery with minimal increases in URM. So wiping out Asians at TJ in one go from 76 percent to 33 percent - then there won’t be too many of us? What is your definition of too many?

I know you are against the lottery too. I hope you also agree that a more tailor-made policy to fix the roots of the problem is the way to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Senior management is cut off to Asians. OP's post.

College is cut off to Asians:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/23/ivy-league-college-asians-race-jews-students-diversity-discrimination-quotas-column/19445201/

They want to cut off just more and more.

No wonder Asians work hard. They feel like they have to win against all odds.

DH and I immigrated to the US back in the 80s. We have done quite well for ourselves. Our parents had few opportunities with limited language. We have a seven figure income. Our children are extremely well rounded. They will have a far different experience than we did. I am not worried at all about discrimination against Asians. We are a diverse group. DH and I had to work hard, had no help from our parents and now have a seven figure income. We know many extremely wealthy Asians coming to the US. You will see a vastly different Asian population going forward.

Your personal story is nice. Congratulations. Your hard paid off and you did not face discrimination.

My parents barely spoke English. They drove a car that was too embarrassing to show to others, so we parked several blocks away from our destination. I was ridiculed as a kid to go back to China, even though I was not Chinese. Every step of the way, school mates picked me last in games. I saw my white friends get into better colleges with lower scores. They were picked for leading roles in class plays. After college, I have seen many workmates get promotions with far thinner CVs than mine. I do not have a 7 figure income. I am ok financially though. To each their own.

But which story Asians relate to more? I wonder.

Pp here. I also got dropped off at school in a beat up old car. I clearly remember being embarrassed when my parents drove me to school. I was often the token minority. Back when I was a kid, if there were a handful of high achieving Asians, that was fine. Now there are too many of us. You have got the children of poor immigrants who were like me when I was a kid, UMC Asian Americans like my kids, the uber rich kids from Asia, the kids of Asian H1 visa tech workers and everything in between.

I am all for getting more URMs and spreading out admissions throughout the regions. I am against a lottery. I am also totally fine with getting rid of the entrance exam.

Too many of us. Asians make up 5.6 percent of American society. If one stares at a TV screen, you will realize it is very rare to see Asians in lead roles, even in commercials. We celebrate Crazy Rich Asians as an all-Asian cast movie for that reason. We celebrate Black Panther for a similar reason. Why cannot society celebrate TJ for what it is? And to think that Asians is one race is silly. We have one and only one thing in common. Our skin color is not white. It is quite offensive to be assumed you are from a particular country when you are not, for those who care. And there are about 50 countries in Asia. I am all for more “URM” students at TJ. There is a good chance that Whites will be the largest demographic at TJ after the lottery with minimal increases in URM. So wiping out Asians at TJ in one go from 76 percent to 33 percent - then there won’t be too many of us? What is your definition of too many?

I know you are against the lottery too. I hope you also agree that a more tailor-made policy to fix the roots of the problem is the way to go.

Draw up a course sequence in Diversity and Inclusion. Have TJ students compete to get more URMs into TJ. Have the student body be aware and be creative in getting them in through all the tools at their disposal, including data science, apps, etc. I am 100 percent sure this will look phenomenal in college applications. Don’t assume grown-ups know best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Senior management is cut off to Asians. OP's post.

College is cut off to Asians:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/11/23/ivy-league-college-asians-race-jews-students-diversity-discrimination-quotas-column/19445201/

They want to cut off just more and more.

No wonder Asians work hard. They feel like they have to win against all odds.

DH and I immigrated to the US back in the 80s. We have done quite well for ourselves. Our parents had few opportunities with limited language. We have a seven figure income. Our children are extremely well rounded. They will have a far different experience than we did. I am not worried at all about discrimination against Asians. We are a diverse group. DH and I had to work hard, had no help from our parents and now have a seven figure income. We know many extremely wealthy Asians coming to the US. You will see a vastly different Asian population going forward.

Your personal story is nice. Congratulations. Your hard paid off and you did not face discrimination.

My parents barely spoke English. They drove a car that was too embarrassing to show to others, so we parked several blocks away from our destination. I was ridiculed as a kid to go back to China, even though I was not Chinese. Every step of the way, school mates picked me last in games. I saw my white friends get into better colleges with lower scores. They were picked for leading roles in class plays. After college, I have seen many workmates get promotions with far thinner CVs than mine. I do not have a 7 figure income. I am ok financially though. To each their own.

But which story Asians relate to more? I wonder.

Pp here. I also got dropped off at school in a beat up old car. I clearly remember being embarrassed when my parents drove me to school. I was often the token minority. Back when I was a kid, if there were a handful of high achieving Asians, that was fine. Now there are too many of us. You have got the children of poor immigrants who were like me when I was a kid, UMC Asian Americans like my kids, the uber rich kids from Asia, the kids of Asian H1 visa tech workers and everything in between.

I am all for getting more URMs and spreading out admissions throughout the regions. I am against a lottery. I am also totally fine with getting rid of the entrance exam.

Too many of us. Asians make up 5.6 percent of American society. If one stares at a TV screen, you will realize it is very rare to see Asians in lead roles, even in commercials. We celebrate Crazy Rich Asians as an all-Asian cast movie for that reason. We celebrate Black Panther for a similar reason. Why cannot society celebrate TJ for what it is? And to think that Asians is one race is silly. We have one and only one thing in common. Our skin color is not white. It is quite offensive to be assumed you are from a particular country when you are not, for those who care. And there are about 50 countries in Asia. I am all for more “URM” students at TJ. There is a good chance that Whites will be the largest demographic at TJ after the lottery with minimal increases in URM. So wiping out Asians at TJ in one go from 76 percent to 33 percent - then there won’t be too many of us? What is your definition of too many?

I know you are against the lottery too. I hope you also agree that a more tailor-made policy to fix the roots of the problem is the way to go.

Draw up a course sequence in Diversity and Inclusion. Have TJ students compete to get more URMs into TJ. Have the student body be aware and be creative in getting them in through all the tools at their disposal, including data science, apps, etc. I am 100 percent sure this will look phenomenal in college applications. Don’t assume grown-ups know best.

Benefits of such outreach:

Sense of social good and responsibility that can last a lifetime.

Upperclassmen more welcoming of URMs.

Minimal cost - curriculum has been developed in many corporations already. I am sure teachers will be delighted to learn this material too.

I like this idea.

[Anonymous]

" So no one is backing up with specifics the prior claims that the Asian enrollment would dip to 33%? "

Perspective. Reciprocity. How many high schools in China have majority-American school enrollments?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: " So no one is backing up with specifics the prior claims that the Asian enrollment would dip to 33%? "

Perspective. Reciprocity. How many high schools in China have majority-American school enrollments?

Dude, look through the thread for links to the data and numbers.

China is a fundamentally different country. That is why many left to come here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: " So no one is backing up with specifics the prior claims that the Asian enrollment would dip to 33%? "

Perspective. Reciprocity. How many high schools in China have majority-American school enrollments?

So 33% is too low? It is actually 34.5%. Is 40% better for you? What is your ideal number?

[Anonymous]

So you propose that the URMs will turn into pet projects to boost current TJ kids' college apps? SMH

[Anonymous]

Watch one. Do one. Teach one or more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So you propose that the URMs will turn into pet projects to boost current TJ kids' college apps? SMH

URMs will be TJ students too. For those who excel at bringing them in could be URMs themselves or Whites.

You have a problem with TJ kids who will excel in this dimension?