The lawsuit against Royal Caribbean/toddler death

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG. This video is terrible. You can literally seeing her falling at 6:25. This was after grandpa had her dangling out the window. He should be thrown in jail!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHKVDMDKZk4

Is this really the only publicly available video?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG. This video is terrible. You can literally seeing her falling at 6:25. This was after grandpa had her dangling out the window. He should be thrown in jail!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHKVDMDKZk4

Is this really the only publicly available video?

Do you need more than that?

[Anonymous]

In the video that is a side view, doesn't it look like he holds her out there with one arm for a while? You can clearly see his arm on the railing because at one point he moves it...maybe to reposition his grip? Holding a baby with one arm like that isn't smart even if you weren't dangling her out a window. It is such an incredibly stupidly dangerous thing to do that it doesn't seem possible that a sane person would even consider it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the video that is a side view, doesn't it look like he holds her out there with one arm for a while? You can clearly see his arm on the railing because at one point he moves it...maybe to reposition his grip? Holding a baby with one arm like that isn't smart even if you weren't dangling her out a window. It is such an incredibly stupidly dangerous thing to do that it doesn't seem possible that a sane person would even consider it.

If someone didn't tell him to use two hands, I can't see how this is his fault. No one can be expected to know how to hold something without an instruction manual and someone to read it to you. And a legal waiver indicating that you accept responsibility for holding said item.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if he was on some sort of drugs. I'm trying hard to understand and not just jump on the bandwagon, especially due to the tragic circumstances, but it's really hard to imagine anyone thinking that's a good idea. I have three kids including a DD that age and it's just such a strange idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also think that a former prosecutor and a cop would know darned well if this guy had sever executive functioning issues, ADHD or any other problem. This is the man they entrusted their child with.

So they chose to entrust their child to someone who was a dumbass and negligent without any mitigating factors? How does that make them sound any better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I also think that a former prosecutor and a cop would know darned well if this guy had sever executive functioning issues, ADHD or any other problem. This is the man they entrusted their child with.

So they chose to entrust their child to someone who was a dumbass and negligent without any mitigating factors? How does that make them sound any better?

The point is, he had never given them a reason for concern before. He had never been careless with Chloe before. They didn't doubt his judgment at all - yet, look what happened their baby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he was on some sort of drugs. I'm trying hard to understand and not just jump on the bandwagon, especially due to the tragic circumstances, but it's really hard to imagine anyone thinking that's a good idea. I have three kids including a DD that age and it's just such a strange idea.

I read in Chloe's obituary that while Chloe and her parents/brother were from Indiana, these grandparents live(d) in Michigan. It makes me wonder how often Chloe was really around this grandfather.
I wonder how often, if ever, he was left alone to supervise Chloe. Even in this incident the grandfather was in a common area of the ship with lots of other people around.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how a doting grandfather who regularly watched this little one year old could have made such a grave mistake with a child so precious to him. Not that I'm saying that any adult with an ounce of common sense would have done what he did, you don't need to have childcare experience to know not to dangle a baby out of an 11 story window.

I'm just questioning whether the relationship between Chloe and this grandfather is being mischaracterized to make them seem closer than they really were. And if so, why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he was on some sort of drugs. I'm trying hard to understand and not just jump on the bandwagon, especially due to the tragic circumstances, but it's really hard to imagine anyone thinking that's a good idea. I have three kids including a DD that age and it's just such a strange idea.

I read in Chloe's obituary that while Chloe and her parents/brother were from Indiana, these grandparents live(d) in Michigan. It makes me wonder how often Chloe was really around this grandfather.
I wonder how often, if ever, he was left alone to supervise Chloe. Even in this incident the grandfather was in a common area of the ship with lots of other people around.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how a doting grandfather who regularly watched this little one year old could have made such a grave mistake with a child so precious to him. Not that I'm saying that any adult with an ounce of common sense would have done what he did, you don't need to have childcare experience to know not to dangle a baby out of an 11 story window.

I'm just questioning whether the relationship between Chloe and this grandfather is being mischaracterized to make them seem closer than they really were. And if so, why.

Chloe and her parents lived in South Bend Indiana and the grandfather was from Niles, Michigan. According to google maps its 11 miles between the two cities. Very possible that they saw each other daily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he was on some sort of drugs. I'm trying hard to understand and not just jump on the bandwagon, especially due to the tragic circumstances, but it's really hard to imagine anyone thinking that's a good idea. I have three kids including a DD that age and it's just such a strange idea.

I read in Chloe's obituary that while Chloe and her parents/brother were from Indiana, these grandparents live(d) in Michigan. It makes me wonder how often Chloe was really around this grandfather.
I wonder how often, if ever, he was left alone to supervise Chloe. Even in this incident the grandfather was in a common area of the ship with lots of other people around.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how a doting grandfather who regularly watched this little one year old could have made such a grave mistake with a child so precious to him. Not that I'm saying that any adult with an ounce of common sense would have done what he did, you don't need to have childcare experience to know not to dangle a baby out of an 11 story window.

I'm just questioning whether the relationship between Chloe and this grandfather is being mischaracterized to make them seem closer than they really were. And if so, why.

Chloe and her parents lived in South Bend Indiana and the grandfather was from Niles, Michigan. According to google maps its 11 miles between the two cities. Very possible that they saw each other daily.

pp quoting/correcting myself.

The dad was a police officer in South Bend, family lived in Granger, Indiana....also about 11 miles from Niles, MI according to google maps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he was on some sort of drugs. I'm trying hard to understand and not just jump on the bandwagon, especially due to the tragic circumstances, but it's really hard to imagine anyone thinking that's a good idea. I have three kids including a DD that age and it's just such a strange idea.

I read in Chloe's obituary that while Chloe and her parents/brother were from Indiana, these grandparents live(d) in Michigan. It makes me wonder how often Chloe was really around this grandfather.
I wonder how often, if ever, he was left alone to supervise Chloe. Even in this incident the grandfather was in a common area of the ship with lots of other people around.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how a doting grandfather who regularly watched this little one year old could have made such a grave mistake with a child so precious to him. Not that I'm saying that any adult with an ounce of common sense would have done what he did, you don't need to have childcare experience to know not to dangle a baby out of an 11 story window.

I'm just questioning whether the relationship between Chloe and this grandfather is being mischaracterized to make them seem closer than they really were. And if so, why.

Chloe and her parents lived in South Bend Indiana and the grandfather was from Niles, Michigan. According to google maps its 11 miles between the two cities. Very possible that they saw each other daily.

pp quoting/correcting myself.

The dad was a police officer in South Bend, family lived in Granger, Indiana....also about 11 miles from Niles, MI according to google maps.

Do they let elderly colorblind people drive on public highways?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he was on some sort of drugs. I'm trying hard to understand and not just jump on the bandwagon, especially due to the tragic circumstances, but it's really hard to imagine anyone thinking that's a good idea. I have three kids including a DD that age and it's just such a strange idea.

I read in Chloe's obituary that while Chloe and her parents/brother were from Indiana, these grandparents live(d) in Michigan. It makes me wonder how often Chloe was really around this grandfather.
I wonder how often, if ever, he was left alone to supervise Chloe. Even in this incident the grandfather was in a common area of the ship with lots of other people around.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how a doting grandfather who regularly watched this little one year old could have made such a grave mistake with a child so precious to him. Not that I'm saying that any adult with an ounce of common sense would have done what he did, you don't need to have childcare experience to know not to dangle a baby out of an 11 story window.

I'm just questioning whether the relationship between Chloe and this grandfather is being mischaracterized to make them seem closer than they really were. And if so, why.

Chloe and her parents lived in South Bend Indiana and the grandfather was from Niles, Michigan. According to google maps its 11 miles between the two cities. Very possible that they saw each other daily.

pp quoting/correcting myself.

The dad was a police officer in South Bend, family lived in Granger, Indiana....also about 11 miles from Niles, MI according to google maps.

Thanks for doing that homework. When I saw that they lived in separate states I assumed that meant that they didn't live near each other. Apparently they were nearby each other and would have had the opportunity to see Chloe often.

He had probably watched Chloe go from a helpless newborn to an inquisitive, active toddler and still held her out an 11 story window, possibly with just one arm around her. Unbelievable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do they let elderly colorblind people drive on public highways?

They do! My 80yo father has been colorblind and driving all of his adult life. No issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if he was on some sort of drugs. I'm trying hard to understand and not just jump on the bandwagon, especially due to the tragic circumstances, but it's really hard to imagine anyone thinking that's a good idea. I have three kids including a DD that age and it's just such a strange idea.

I read in Chloe's obituary that while Chloe and her parents/brother were from Indiana, these grandparents live(d) in Michigan. It makes me wonder how often Chloe was really around this grandfather.
I wonder how often, if ever, he was left alone to supervise Chloe. Even in this incident the grandfather was in a common area of the ship with lots of other people around.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how a doting grandfather who regularly watched this little one year old could have made such a grave mistake with a child so precious to him. Not that I'm saying that any adult with an ounce of common sense would have done what he did, you don't need to have childcare experience to know not to dangle a baby out of an 11 story window.

I'm just questioning whether the relationship between Chloe and this grandfather is being mischaracterized to make them seem closer than they really were. And if so, why.

Chloe and her parents lived in South Bend Indiana and the grandfather was from Niles, Michigan. According to google maps its 11 miles between the two cities. Very possible that they saw each other daily.

pp quoting/correcting myself.

The dad was a police officer in South Bend, family lived in Granger, Indiana....also about 11 miles from Niles, MI according to google maps.

Thanks for doing that homework. When I saw that they lived in separate states I assumed that meant that they didn't live near each other. Apparently they were nearby each other and would have had the opportunity to see Chloe often.

He had probably watched Chloe go from a helpless newborn to an inquisitive, active toddler and still held her out an 11 story window, possibly with just one arm around her. Unbelievable.

He underestimated how squirmy and how strong somebody’s babies are.

[Anonymous]

It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.