Tenley Chick Filet takes measures against loitering after school by students, including Wilson

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious- did Wilson and Deal open recently? No right? So it seems that all the poor pearl-clutchers on the Cleveland Park listserv and here were on notice that there was a high
School and middle school nearby. Also I'm pretty sure that if you ARE zoned for Deal/Wilson you make an enormous deal about it because it's a boost to your home price. So take the good with the bad and suck it up. FWIW, I have never met ruder people in my life than the aging boomers of NW DC.

You people are acting like Wilson and Deal opened last year against your will.

AMEN. The most entitled bunch of crotchety jerks I've come across.

+1 million.

And they are the people who "pay the taxes and obey the laws." They don't want not-infrequent mayhem in their community caused by a relatively small but mendacious group of Wilson students. Why should it be so difficult to address this problem?

+ a million or two.

Let the mayhem-lovers live with the mayhem-doers.

Wilson (like most DCPS high schools) is a neighborhood school. If someone prefers to behave according to the rules of some parallel universe, why should they get privileged access to said (or any) neighborhood school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious- did Wilson and Deal open recently? No right? So it seems that all the poor pearl-clutchers on the Cleveland Park listserv and here were on notice that there was a high
School and middle school nearby. Also I'm pretty sure that if you ARE zoned for Deal/Wilson you make an enormous deal about it because it's a boost to your home price. So take the good with the bad and suck it up. FWIW, I have never met ruder people in my life than the aging boomers of NW DC.

You people are acting like Wilson and Deal opened last year against your will.

AMEN. The most entitled bunch of crotchety jerks I've come across.

+1 million.

And they are the people who "pay the taxes and obey the laws." They don't want not-infrequent mayhem in their community caused by a relatively small but mendacious group of Wilson students. Why should it be so difficult to address this problem?

+ a million or two.

Let the mayhem-lovers live with the mayhem-doers.

Wilson (like most DCPS high schools) is a neighborhood school. If someone prefers to behave according to the rules of some parallel universe, why should they get privileged access to said (or any) neighborhood school.

They're acting like teenagers. You're acting like crotchety jerks. It seems like you both deserve each other.

Oh and using $6 words like "mendacious" doesn't distract from your uninformed, racist arguments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious- did Wilson and Deal open recently? No right? So it seems that all the poor pearl-clutchers on the Cleveland Park listserv and here were on notice that there was a high
School and middle school nearby. Also I'm pretty sure that if you ARE zoned for Deal/Wilson you make an enormous deal about it because it's a boost to your home price. So take the good with the bad and suck it up. FWIW, I have never met ruder people in my life than the aging boomers of NW DC.

You people are acting like Wilson and Deal opened last year against your will.

They don't object to students, they object to AA students who they assume are from other parts of the city and don't belong in their neighborhood school.

Always keeping it classy NW DC

They object to the obnoxious thuggish behavior of a few students who are bad enough to make the Tenleytown area downright unpleasant on some days when school gets out.

I like how they would RUIN the life of a child by expelling them from the best high school DC has to offer to send them to a vastly inferior high school because their shopping experience at Tenley is "downright unpleasant".

How do you live with yourself?

Wilson is the best high school DC has to offer? I don't care what the IB school is (could be Eastern, btw, which isn't that bad), OOB is a privilege, not a right. If they don't want to RUIN their lives, they need to not ruin other people's mornings and afternoons.

I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

No one's talking about race except for people, like you, who are offering knee-jerk defense to all wrongdoing, and accusing anyone who opposes the wrongdoing of being racist.

If it's a lily-white kid from a million-dollar home who's throwing rocks and getting into fights on the sidewalk, he ought to be disciplined. If the kid is Latino, he ought to be disciplined. If he's black, he ought to be disciplined. Wrongdoing is wrongdoing, no matter the skin color of the wrongdoer.

You make it harder to address real issues of racism when you falsely paint anyone who disagrees with you as racist. So stop it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious- did Wilson and Deal open recently? No right? So it seems that all the poor pearl-clutchers on the Cleveland Park listserv and here were on notice that there was a high
School and middle school nearby. Also I'm pretty sure that if you ARE zoned for Deal/Wilson you make an enormous deal about it because it's a boost to your home price. So take the good with the bad and suck it up. FWIW, I have never met ruder people in my life than the aging boomers of NW DC.

You people are acting like Wilson and Deal opened last year against your will.

They don't object to students, they object to AA students who they assume are from other parts of the city and don't belong in their neighborhood school.

Always keeping it classy NW DC

They object to the obnoxious thuggish behavior of a few students who are bad enough to make the Tenleytown area downright unpleasant on some days when school gets out.

If these kids know the difference between right and wrong, and I believe they know the difference, then they should conduct themselves the way they would want their own mother's treated in a similar situation. This kids know exactly what they are doing and actually have fun doing it, it's sport to them. Where are their parents?

+1.

Only thugs don't object to thuggish behavior. The rest of us expect decent behavior in everyone walking the neighborhood. Quite simple.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

No one's talking about race except for people, like you, who are offering knee-jerk defense to all wrongdoing, and accusing anyone who opposes the wrongdoing of being racist.

If it's a lily-white kid from a million-dollar home who's throwing rocks and getting into fights on the sidewalk, he ought to be disciplined. If the kid is Latino, he ought to be disciplined. If he's black, he ought to be disciplined. Wrongdoing is wrongdoing, no matter the skin color of the wrongdoer.

You make it harder to address real issues of racism when you falsely paint anyone who disagrees with you as racist. So stop it.

Well said. We need to stop throwing "racism" around so casually, it devalues the meaning of the word. These kids know right from wrong, they simply choose wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They're acting like teenagers. You're acting like crotchety jerks. It seems like you both deserve each other.

OK, so let's talk about specific examples. Which of these are just "acting like teenagers" so we should just ignore them, and which of these are actual misconduct where the police or the school should intervene?:

1. A kid drops a bunch of paper and litter on the sidewalk.
2. A kid intentionally tips over a trash can and leaves the trash on the sidewalk.
3. Two kids get into a fistfight on a city sidewalk.
4. Two kids beat up another kid outside the school.
5. A kid intentionally shoves an adult.
6. A kid walks into the middle of Wisconsin Avenue and intentionally blocks traffic.
7. A kid walks across Wisconsin Avenue and bangs on car hoods and windows.
8. A kid jumps up on the hood of a car on Wisconsin Avenue.
9. A kid shoplifts from a local store.
10. A kid grabs an adult pedestrian's iPhone out of her hand and runs away with it.
11. A kid spits in the face of an adult on the sidewalk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious- did Wilson and Deal open recently? No right? So it seems that all the poor pearl-clutchers on the Cleveland Park listserv and here were on notice that there was a high
School and middle school nearby. Also I'm pretty sure that if you ARE zoned for Deal/Wilson you make an enormous deal about it because it's a boost to your home price. So take the good with the bad and suck it up. FWIW, I have never met ruder people in my life than the aging boomers of NW DC.

You people are acting like Wilson and Deal opened last year against your will.

They don't object to students, they object to AA students who they assume are from other parts of the city and don't belong in their neighborhood school.

Always keeping it classy NW DC

They object to the obnoxious thuggish behavior of a few students who are bad enough to make the Tenleytown area downright unpleasant on some days when school gets out.

I like how they would RUIN the life of a child by expelling them from the best high school DC has to offer to send them to a vastly inferior high school because their shopping experience at Tenley is "downright unpleasant".

How do you live with yourself?

Wilson is the best high school DC has to offer? I don't care what the IB school is (could be Eastern, btw, which isn't that bad), OOB is a privilege, not a right. If they don't want to RUIN their lives, they need to not ruin other people's mornings and afternoons.

I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident[/quo



Northwest types? You don't know me, you don't know my story and it is bigotry for you to assume because I am white in live in NW that I am a bad person. There is a dangerous situation and it is being ignore by liberals such as yourself who create these social experiments and then walk away leaving those of us still there to take care of it. I have enough on my plate with a job and family of my own to not be responsible for a kid whose parents is forty or so minutes away thereby not being able to take care of their own kid and teach them not to intimidate others, not to be rude and to treat others the way you would like to be treated. These are lessons I have taught my children since they were two, and have repeated every time it needed reinforcement. Maybe in your next social experiment you should find a way to make sure these kids parents are around to discipline their own children to teach them how to behave like decent citizens. I truly dislike self righteous people like yourself. Now go ride the subway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They're acting like teenagers. You're acting like crotchety jerks. It seems like you both deserve each other.

OK, so let's talk about specific examples. Which of these are just "acting like teenagers" so we should just ignore them, and which of these are actual misconduct where the police or the school should intervene?:

1. A kid drops a bunch of paper and litter on the sidewalk.
2. A kid intentionally tips over a trash can and leaves the trash on the sidewalk.
3. Two kids get into a fistfight on a city sidewalk.
4. Two kids beat up another kid outside the school.
5. A kid intentionally shoves an adult.
6. A kid walks into the middle of Wisconsin Avenue and intentionally blocks traffic.
7. A kid walks across Wisconsin Avenue and bangs on car hoods and windows.
8. A kid jumps up on the hood of a car on Wisconsin Avenue.
9. A kid shoplifts from a local store.
10. A kid grabs an adult pedestrian's iPhone out of her hand and runs away with it.
11. A kid spits in the face of an adult on the sidewalk.

Or let's leave Tenley Town and go to Friendship Heights and the Chipotle after school hours in the afternoon. It is full with teens having after school snacks with their friends. Yet the only teenagers behaving loudly and aggressively and disturbing everyone else are the black teenagers who frequent the place from St Johns. It is not about Wilson or St Johns, doesn't matter if it is private or public. These kids do this intentionally to upset the whiteness in that restaurant, and we all know it. They throw their garbage all over the floor and leave the tables for the restaurant employees to clean, not something you see the other teenage patrons doing. No, this not typical teenage behavior, not typical at all if the parents bother to teach their children how to be respectful and civilized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious- did Wilson and Deal open recently? No right? So it seems that all the poor pearl-clutchers on the Cleveland Park listserv and here were on notice that there was a high
School and middle school nearby. Also I'm pretty sure that if you ARE zoned for Deal/Wilson you make an enormous deal about it because it's a boost to your home price. So take the good with the bad and suck it up. FWIW, I have never met ruder people in my life than the aging boomers of NW DC.

You people are acting like Wilson and Deal opened last year against your will.

They don't object to students, they object to AA students who they assume are from other parts of the city and don't belong in their neighborhood school.

Always keeping it classy NW DC

They object to the obnoxious thuggish behavior of a few students who are bad enough to make the Tenleytown area downright unpleasant on some days when school gets out.

I like how they would RUIN the life of a child by expelling them from the best high school DC has to offer to send them to a vastly inferior high school because their shopping experience at Tenley is "downright unpleasant".

How do you live with yourself?

Wilson is the best high school DC has to offer? I don't care what the IB school is (could be Eastern, btw, which isn't that bad), OOB is a privilege, not a right. If they don't want to RUIN their lives, they need to not ruin other people's mornings and afternoons.

I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident[/quo



Northwest types? You don't know me, you don't know my story and it is bigotry for you to assume because I am white in live in NW that I am a bad person. There is a dangerous situation and it is being ignore by liberals such as yourself who create these social experiments and then walk away leaving those of us still there to take care of it. I have enough on my plate with a job and family of my own to not be responsible for a kid whose parents is forty or so minutes away thereby not being able to take care of their own kid and teach them not to intimidate others, not to be rude and to treat others the way you would like to be treated. These are lessons I have taught my children since they were two, and have repeated every time it needed reinforcement. Maybe in your next social experiment you should find a way to make sure these kids parents are around to discipline their own children to teach them how to behave like decent citizens. I truly dislike self righteous people like yourself. Now go ride the subway.

How do you know they live 40 minutes away?

How do you know the parents can't take care of their own kid?

Is it because they're black? Please, explain how you know all these facts about these kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

No one's talking about race except for people, like you, who are offering knee-jerk defense to all wrongdoing, and accusing anyone who opposes the wrongdoing of being racist.

If it's a lily-white kid from a million-dollar home who's throwing rocks and getting into fights on the sidewalk, he ought to be disciplined. If the kid is Latino, he ought to be disciplined. If he's black, he ought to be disciplined. Wrongdoing is wrongdoing, no matter the skin color of the wrongdoer.

You make it harder to address real issues of racism when you falsely paint anyone who disagrees with you as racist. So stop it.

Well said. We need to stop throwing "racism" around so casually, it devalues the meaning of the word. These kids know right from wrong, they simply choose wrong.

I'll stop calling you racist if you explain to me how you know that these kids are out of bounds.

I can't speak for the other people calling you racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

No one's talking about race except for people, like you, who are offering knee-jerk defense to all wrongdoing, and accusing anyone who opposes the wrongdoing of being racist.

If it's a lily-white kid from a million-dollar home who's throwing rocks and getting into fights on the sidewalk, he ought to be disciplined. If the kid is Latino, he ought to be disciplined. If he's black, he ought to be disciplined. Wrongdoing is wrongdoing, no matter the skin color of the wrongdoer.

You make it harder to address real issues of racism when you falsely paint anyone who disagrees with you as racist. So stop it.

+1.

PP above is a bad joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're acting like teenagers. You're acting like crotchety jerks. It seems like you both deserve each other.

OK, so let's talk about specific examples. Which of these are just "acting like teenagers" so we should just ignore them, and which of these are actual misconduct where the police or the school should intervene?:

1. A kid drops a bunch of paper and litter on the sidewalk.
2. A kid intentionally tips over a trash can and leaves the trash on the sidewalk.
3. Two kids get into a fistfight on a city sidewalk.
4. Two kids beat up another kid outside the school.
5. A kid intentionally shoves an adult.
6. A kid walks into the middle of Wisconsin Avenue and intentionally blocks traffic.
7. A kid walks across Wisconsin Avenue and bangs on car hoods and windows.
8. A kid jumps up on the hood of a car on Wisconsin Avenue.
9. A kid shoplifts from a local store.
10. A kid grabs an adult pedestrian's iPhone out of her hand and runs away with it.
11. A kid spits in the face of an adult on the sidewalk.

Or let's leave Tenley Town and go to Friendship Heights and the Chipotle after school hours in the afternoon. It is full with teens having after school snacks with their friends. Yet the only teenagers behaving loudly and aggressively and disturbing everyone else are the black teenagers who frequent the place from St Johns. It is not about Wilson or St Johns, doesn't matter if it is private or public. These kids do this intentionally to upset the whiteness in that restaurant, and we all know it. They throw their garbage all over the floor and leave the tables for the restaurant employees to clean, not something you see the other teenage patrons doing. No, this not typical teenage behavior, not typical at all if the parents bother to teach their children how to be respectful and civilized.

I'm the PP who posted the list of activities. I think you should leave race out of your post. Bad behavior - and the reaction to it - should not depend on race. If kids are throwing garbage on the floor, they ought to be banned from the restaurant and arrested for trespass if they won't leave, regardless of race. Right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

No one's talking about race except for people, like you, who are offering knee-jerk defense to all wrongdoing, and accusing anyone who opposes the wrongdoing of being racist.

If it's a lily-white kid from a million-dollar home who's throwing rocks and getting into fights on the sidewalk, he ought to be disciplined. If the kid is Latino, he ought to be disciplined. If he's black, he ought to be disciplined. Wrongdoing is wrongdoing, no matter the skin color of the wrongdoer.

You make it harder to address real issues of racism when you falsely paint anyone who disagrees with you as racist. So stop it.

Well said. We need to stop throwing "racism" around so casually, it devalues the meaning of the word. These kids know right from wrong, they simply choose wrong.

I'll stop calling you racist if you explain to me how you know that these kids are out of bounds.

I can't speak for the other people calling you racist.

I'm the PP who posted about disciplining the "lily-white kid from a million-dollar home." I don't care whether they're in bounds or out of bounds, or whether they're black or white. The school and the police should respond to the bad behavior. What's wrong with that? Why do you want to believe they're in-bounds or OOB students? Who cares?

It feels like you're just looking for a fig leaf to support a "racism" accusation so you can avoid addressing the real problem of teens behaving illegally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious- did Wilson and Deal open recently? No right? So it seems that all the poor pearl-clutchers on the Cleveland Park listserv and here were on notice that there was a high
School and middle school nearby. Also I'm pretty sure that if you ARE zoned for Deal/Wilson you make an enormous deal about it because it's a boost to your home price. So take the good with the bad and suck it up. FWIW, I have never met ruder people in my life than the aging boomers of NW DC.

You people are acting like Wilson and Deal opened last year against your will.

They don't object to students, they object to AA students who they assume are from other parts of the city and don't belong in their neighborhood school.

Always keeping it classy NW DC

They object to the obnoxious thuggish behavior of a few students who are bad enough to make the Tenleytown area downright unpleasant on some days when school gets out.

I like how they would RUIN the life of a child by expelling them from the best high school DC has to offer to send them to a vastly inferior high school because their shopping experience at Tenley is "downright unpleasant".

How do you live with yourself?

Wilson is the best high school DC has to offer? I don't care what the IB school is (could be Eastern, btw, which isn't that bad), OOB is a privilege, not a right. If they don't want to RUIN their lives, they need to not ruin other people's mornings and afternoons.

I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

I think you are unfair when you accuse people to complain to be just racist. With kids at Murch and a job downtown I commuted through Tenley until last year, I was there mostly around 9 am and 5pm so not when the school lets out , but I saw plenty of kids coming from activities and sports at Wilson and never witnessed any bad behavior and was never bothered by anybody. however, some posters describe very specific behaviors that are bad (throwing rocks at cars on Wisconsin and shoveling adults, this is not normal teenage behavior unless you come from a bad place) and you seem to be assuming that they are lying. this has nothing to do with being racist, the behavior is bad and kids who do this kind of stuff should be punished. the thing is there are almost 2000 kids at Wilson and you just need 5 % of them who do not behave well and we have a problem. last year there were a few worrisome episodes (a kid brought a loaded gun to school, and if I remember he was even planning to frame another kid), some kids apparently (or allegedly) commuting to Wilson punched at guy at Gallery Place and then fled on the train. there is obviously some confusion when a school that big lets kids out (and nearby Deal has also 1300 students, so the area can only be crowded when all kids are out) and some noise and crowding is to be expected, even if annoying. but other behaviors (rock throwing, shoving people, running down escalators with the risk of pushing down old ladies, spitting on people, crossing Wisconsin in a dangerous manner in traffic with the risk to cause an accident and so on) are bad and should be stopped and censored, if they take place (I have never witnessed myself). its annoying to hear from some posters that this is normal, we are pearl clutchers, we should move and so on. this is not normal and should not be accepted.