how many of us did not see close MAGA family members this holiday season?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

MAGA understands this perfectly, which is why Trump has had to divide and conquer. Anyone preying on people needs lonely, angry, adrift people to target.

Trump isn't stupid when it comes to people. He's a narcissist who will do anything to manipulate people for his own gain.

This thread is proof of his success.

I've posted earlier that just about every single white family we know with 3 or more siblings has estrangement over Trump. Both DH and I do. Both of our best friend's do, as do so many others (we took a poll over a large dinner last year). It's quite sad, and maddening. It didn't have to be this way.

What sort of whacko psychotic state do you live in?! I’m white and part of a huge family and nobody is estranged over Trump. I do not know a single family where I think this is the case, and I have a large social circle. Your world is alien to me.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

She called Trump supporters deplorable and she sure wasn’t wrong!

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

She called them that for the same reasons people are talking about cutting off their relatives. Duh.

When will you MAGA understand that you don't get a free pass to act like hateful, abusive a-holes. No one wants to put up with your DEPLORABLE behavior and BS.

Your attempt at a gotcha just blew up in your face.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

She called them that for the same reasons people are talking about cutting off their relatives. Duh.

When will you MAGA understand that you don't get a free pass to act like hateful, abusive a-holes. No one wants to put up with your DEPLORABLE behavior and BS.

Your attempt at a gotcha just blew up in your face.

Hate has no home here.

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Is anyone who votes for Trump considered MAGA? I am perfectly in the middle and have voted D in the past but the shocking words people have said to me for voting Trump, believe me blue is a cult too. There are extremes in both sides like OP.

People have such a sense of righteousness - oh I am so great because I hate Trump and oh you are a pos because you voted Trump. They do not have the sense to say it’s ok to agree to disagree.

One cannot have so much hate and that’s for both sides.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

What?!?! Trump started awful rumors about Haitians in Ohio during the election. As a result, bomb threats were made to schools in that area. This is just one of many horrid examples.

Wake up.

Equivalent to running people over with trucks of course…

DP. Why are MAGA so stupid? Literally? I can't believe this numbnut is suggesting that Dems actually support Maduro.

(Not to mention excusing bomb threats to AMERICAN children, and cheering on the cutting of cancer research for AMERICAN children, and have no compunction about the repeated killing of AMERICAN children at school because elected MAGA does not care.)

Some MAGA are truly dumb.

How many protesters are out in NY? NC? Yup, some Dems support Maduro. Especially the younger crowd. Apple does not fall far I suppose.

Omg. You can’t cure stupid. Listen carefully: Dems do not support Maduro. You sound like an idiot claiming this. You sound totally in a cult fig. Dems are against how Trump went about this and what it means for world order and peace. Members of NATO have also voiced their concern with what this means for Greenland.

Please. There’s so much hair-splitting in your statement (typical with Dems). And it’s clear that you don’t understand the larger implications here.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

MAGA understands this perfectly, which is why Trump has had to divide and conquer. Anyone preying on people needs lonely, angry, adrift people to target.

Trump isn't stupid when it comes to people. He's a narcissist who will do anything to manipulate people for his own gain.

This thread is proof of his success.

I've posted earlier that just about every single white family we know with 3 or more siblings has estrangement over Trump. Both DH and I do. Both of our best friend's do, as do so many others (we took a poll over a large dinner last year). It's quite sad, and maddening. It didn't have to be this way.

What sort of whacko psychotic state do you live in?! I’m white and part of a huge family and nobody is estranged over Trump. I do not know a single family where I think this is the case, and I have a large social circle. Your world is alien to me.

Boomer here. As the ‘blacksheep’ of the in-laws, I experienced this first hand well before Trump even hit a presidential stage. They didn’t just estrange - they tried to get my kids taken away from me by accusing me of abuse. At that time, social services was not like it is now, so thankfully it didn’t work. In fact it backfired. Now? I shudder to think. All because I didn’t think or vote like they did.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

She called them that for the same reasons people are talking about cutting off their relatives. Duh.

When will you MAGA understand that you don't get a free pass to act like hateful, abusive a-holes. No one wants to put up with your DEPLORABLE behavior and BS.

Your attempt at a gotcha just blew up in your face.

Hate has no home here.

Touché PP.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

She called them that for the same reasons people are talking about cutting off their relatives. Duh.

When will you MAGA understand that you don't get a free pass to act like hateful, abusive a-holes. No one wants to put up with your DEPLORABLE behavior and BS.

Your attempt at a gotcha just blew up in your face.

Hate has no home here.

Touché PP.

It's best to avoid using words you don't understand.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

She called them that for the same reasons people are talking about cutting off their relatives. Duh.

When will you MAGA understand that you don't get a free pass to act like hateful, abusive a-holes. No one wants to put up with your DEPLORABLE behavior and BS.

Your attempt at a gotcha just blew up in your face.

Hate has no home here.

And, you did it again.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

Dude, she was right, where have you been?

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone who votes for Trump considered MAGA? I am perfectly in the middle and have voted D in the past but the shocking words people have said to me for voting Trump, believe me blue is a cult too. There are extremes in both sides like OP.

People have such a sense of righteousness - oh I am so great because I hate Trump and oh you are a pos because you voted Trump. They do not have the sense to say it’s ok to agree to disagree.

One cannot have so much hate and that’s for both sides.

It's not righteousness--it's frustration with fellow citizens who refuse to be honest with themselves and with us. Or who ENJOY cruelty. Who ENJOY stewing in imagined slights and hateful behavior towards fellow citizens. Who in their right mind wants to spend time with that? Who in their right mind wouldn't feel justified in saying this isn't a good way to behave?????????

Smug righteousness is the way of the MAGA.

You guys keep trying to argue this is a both sides thing, but it just isn't. Trump does outrageous, lawless things every day. You voted for a man who says repulsive things daily about women and minorities and foreigners and lies constantly. His level of lying, corruption, disregard for the Constitution and on and on is unparalleled and you defend it or wave it away. He and his cronies are so obviously working from the authoritarian playbook and don't even try to hide it and you defend it or wave it away. They want to take away the ability of citizens to criticize the government. They are the ones actually weaponizing the government against those who would speak against them. They work constantly to undermine a free press that would hold them to account and keep citizens informed. He has appointed a series of incompetent and corrupt individuals to his cabinet and to run the various government agencies. And they fire honest, hardworking federal employees and LIE about them and accuse them of laziness and fraud while THEY commit fraud and line their own pockets. Trump bombs boats and invades other countries without involving Congress at all. He is acting like Putin and fraying the fragile peace in this world and you support it or wave it away.

Calling you out on your refusal to acknowledge reality or your knowing support of this administrations constant string of corruption, failures, human rights abuses, and lies makes us a "blue cult"? Calling people out bad behavior isn't hateful. You just don't like having the truth pointed out to you so you project back at the person holding the mirror. You don't want to cop to your bad behavior.

We don't want your corrupt brand of government; we want to uphold the Constitution. We want freedom of speech. We want freedom of the press. We don't want Christian Nationalism shoved down our throats; we want freedom of religion. If blue cult means people of decency and compassion who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law, sign me up. If blue cult means valuing and demanding honest and integrity, then sign me up. If the blue cult means respecting human rights of all people, sign me up. If the blue cult means calling people out when they are hateful and abusive, sign me the F up.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

MAGA understands this perfectly, which is why Trump has had to divide and conquer. Anyone preying on people needs lonely, angry, adrift people to target.

Trump isn't stupid when it comes to people. He's a narcissist who will do anything to manipulate people for his own gain.

This thread is proof of his success.

I've posted earlier that just about every single white family we know with 3 or more siblings has estrangement over Trump. Both DH and I do. Both of our best friend's do, as do so many others (we took a poll over a large dinner last year). It's quite sad, and maddening. It didn't have to be this way.

What sort of whacko psychotic state do you live in?! I’m white and part of a huge family and nobody is estranged over Trump. I do not know a single family where I think this is the case, and I have a large social circle. Your world is alien to me.

Boomer here. As the ‘blacksheep’ of the in-laws, I experienced this first hand well before Trump even hit a presidential stage. They didn’t just estrange - they tried to get my kids taken away from me by accusing me of abuse. At that time, social services was not like it is now, so thankfully it didn’t work. In fact it backfired. Now? I shudder to think. All because I didn’t think or vote like they did.

Woah. That is insane.

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I don't have any close Maga family or even extended family Maga these days and it's delightful. Of the three we had, who were annoying, racist AF stistirrers going back 30 years before Maga was Maga, two died during Covid and the other is in prison for life. Good riddance.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

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Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

To be fair, she said half of them were deplorable. So it would depend on whether the relatives were in the deplorable half or not.