how many of us did not see close MAGA family members this holiday season?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

Dude, she was right, where have you been?

Right?

We should give Hillary a Nobel Peace Prize in Nailing It.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

She called them that for the same reasons people are talking about cutting off their relatives. Duh.

When will you MAGA understand that you don't get a free pass to act like hateful, abusive a-holes. No one wants to put up with your DEPLORABLE behavior and BS.

Your attempt at a gotcha just blew up in your face.

Hate has no home here.

And, you did it again.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

She called them that for the same reasons people are talking about cutting off their relatives. Duh.

When will you MAGA understand that you don't get a free pass to act like hateful, abusive a-holes. No one wants to put up with your DEPLORABLE behavior and BS.

Your attempt at a gotcha just blew up in your face.

No one wants to put up with your SCUM behavior and BS.

Your attempt at a gotcha just blew up in your face.

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Sigh. Dems get excommunicated, which is a HUGE problem. Either goose-step with the party loud mouths or off with your head. You cannot step a millimeter out of line with many of them.

I’ve steered clear of voting Trump or MAGA, but the vile coming out of the party I’ve supported makes my stomach churn too. I wish the Dems would snap out of it but I think they’re happy with whatever drug they’re taking.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

MAGA understands this perfectly, which is why Trump has had to divide and conquer. Anyone preying on people needs lonely, angry, adrift people to target.

Trump isn't stupid when it comes to people. He's a narcissist who will do anything to manipulate people for his own gain.

This thread is proof of his success.

I've posted earlier that just about every single white family we know with 3 or more siblings has estrangement over Trump. Both DH and I do. Both of our best friend's do, as do so many others (we took a poll over a large dinner last year). It's quite sad, and maddening. It didn't have to be this way.

What sort of whacko psychotic state do you live in?! I’m white and part of a huge family and nobody is estranged over Trump. I do not know a single family where I think this is the case, and I have a large social circle. Your world is alien to me.

+1 seriously!

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. Dems get excommunicated, which is a HUGE problem. Either goose-step with the party loud mouths or off with your head. You cannot step a millimeter out of line with many of them.

I’ve steered clear of voting Trump or MAGA, but the vile coming out of the party I’ve supported makes my stomach churn too. I wish the Dems would snap out of it but I think they’re happy with whatever drug they’re taking.

You aren’t maga, you are just Nazi adjacent.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

MAGA understands this perfectly, which is why Trump has had to divide and conquer. Anyone preying on people needs lonely, angry, adrift people to target.

Trump isn't stupid when it comes to people. He's a narcissist who will do anything to manipulate people for his own gain.

This thread is proof of his success.

I've posted earlier that just about every single white family we know with 3 or more siblings has estrangement over Trump. Both DH and I do. Both of our best friend's do, as do so many others (we took a poll over a large dinner last year). It's quite sad, and maddening. It didn't have to be this way.

What sort of whacko psychotic state do you live in?! I’m white and part of a huge family and nobody is estranged over Trump. I do not know a single family where I think this is the case, and I have a large social circle. Your world is alien to me.

No one is my family is estranged over Trump, but we were all raised better than to vote for him.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?

She called them that for the same reasons people are talking about cutting off their relatives. Duh.

When will you MAGA understand that you don't get a free pass to act like hateful, abusive a-holes. No one wants to put up with your DEPLORABLE behavior and BS.

Your attempt at a gotcha just blew up in your face.

No one wants to put up with your SCUM behavior and BS.

Your attempt at a gotcha just blew up in your face.

Maam, this is a Wendy’s.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. Dems get excommunicated, which is a HUGE problem. Either goose-step with the party loud mouths or off with your head. You cannot step a millimeter out of line with many of them.

I’ve steered clear of voting Trump or MAGA, but the vile coming out of the party I’ve supported makes my stomach churn too. I wish the Dems would snap out of it but I think they’re happy with whatever drug they’re taking.

How is the weather in Moscow

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. Dems get excommunicated, which is a HUGE problem. Either goose-step with the party loud mouths or off with your head. You cannot step a millimeter out of line with many of them.

I’ve steered clear of voting Trump or MAGA, but the vile coming out of the party I’ve supported makes my stomach churn too. I wish the Dems would snap out of it but I think they’re happy with whatever drug they’re taking.

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More and more of us normal people are seeing and acknowledging the sad truth about our corrupt major political parties. There simply is no political home for normal/smart people anymore. This being said; there is no equating the current two major parties during the Trump era as there is truly a lesser of two evils as long as he's around.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. Dems get excommunicated, which is a HUGE problem. Either goose-step with the party loud mouths or off with your head. You cannot step a millimeter out of line with many of them.

I’ve steered clear of voting Trump or MAGA, but the vile coming out of the party I’ve supported makes my stomach churn too. I wish the Dems would snap out of it but I think they’re happy with whatever drug they’re taking.

+1

More and more of us normal people are seeing and acknowledging the sad truth about our corrupt major political parties. There simply is no political home for normal/smart people anymore. This being said; there is no equating the current two major parties during the Trump era as there is truly a lesser of two evils as long as he's around.

More registered voters today are registered as nonaffiliated/independent than are registered affiliated to a party.

Unlikely all of those voters could be unified under a single platform, but the normal/smart people’s party has a ring to it.

We would be better off with something more like a parliamentary system, but a good start would be open primaries and seriously aggressive campaign finance reform.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

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Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

MAGA understands this perfectly, which is why Trump has had to divide and conquer. Anyone preying on people needs lonely, angry, adrift people to target.

Trump isn't stupid when it comes to people. He's a narcissist who will do anything to manipulate people for his own gain.

This thread is proof of his success.

I've posted earlier that just about every single white family we know with 3 or more siblings has estrangement over Trump. Both DH and I do. Both of our best friend's do, as do so many others (we took a poll over a large dinner last year). It's quite sad, and maddening. It didn't have to be this way.

What sort of whacko psychotic state do you live in?! I’m white and part of a huge family and nobody is estranged over Trump. I do not know a single family where I think this is the case, and I have a large social circle. Your world is alien to me.

Well, if you and all your white friends all vote for Trump then of course other families are going to look "alien."

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. Dems get excommunicated, which is a HUGE problem. Either goose-step with the party loud mouths or off with your head. You cannot step a millimeter out of line with many of them.

I’ve steered clear of voting Trump or MAGA, but the vile coming out of the party I’ve supported makes my stomach churn too. I wish the Dems would snap out of it but I think they’re happy with whatever drug they’re taking.

+1

More and more of us normal people are seeing and acknowledging the sad truth about our corrupt major political parties. There simply is no political home for normal/smart people anymore. This being said; there is no equating the current two major parties during the Trump era as there is truly a lesser of two evils as long as he's around.

More registered voters today are registered as nonaffiliated/independent than are registered affiliated to a party.

Unlikely all of those voters could be unified under a single platform, but the normal/smart people’s party has a ring to it.

We would be better off with something more like a parliamentary system, but a good start would be open primaries and seriously aggressive campaign finance reform.

Seriously aggressive campaign finance reform would flush much of the current garbage out and it would make the political arena more appealing to out best and brightest but how do we get a large majority of our Congress members to draft and pass such legislation when the large majority have been to some degree corrupted by money in politics? We all know it's needed in the same way term limits and age caps are needed but we are at the mercy of the same politicians impacted by these would be changes actually making those changes.

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I follow a neuroscientist who was talking about how some of what we were seeing is very harmful psychologically and estrangement can sometimes be the right choice. It’s not just a difference in politics like it might’ve been 10 or 15 years ago if they are truly in a MAGA cult or in Qanon or something. We are living two different realities and it’s very stressful. We got this far as civilized humans by cooperating and being in social networks, and so when you are talking to someone who has a completely different reality than you, it is very disconcerting and psychologically damaging. talking to relatives who think Covid was a hoax and then it wasn’t even a real condition and it was just a way to get Biden elected, talking to people who have facts totally wrong about immigration or how many women are getting late term abortions, or how many women are murdering their babies after they’re born and it’s legal, it’s not right.

It’s also psychologically damaging to talk to people who seem to have no empathy and are OK with people being randomly deported or killed.

It’s not just a matter of politics or different policy opinions. It’s different realities and world views.

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Anonymous wrote:I follow a neuroscientist who was talking about how some of what we were seeing is very harmful psychologically and estrangement can sometimes be the right choice. It’s not just a difference in politics like it might’ve been 10 or 15 years ago if they are truly in a MAGA cult or in Qanon or something. We are living two different realities and it’s very stressful. We got this far as civilized humans by cooperating and being in social networks, and so when you are talking to someone who has a completely different reality than you, it is very disconcerting and psychologically damaging. talking to relatives who think Covid was a hoax and then it wasn’t even a real condition and it was just a way to get Biden elected, talking to people who have facts totally wrong about immigration or how many women are getting late term abortions, or how many women are murdering their babies after they’re born and it’s legal, it’s not right.

It’s also psychologically damaging to talk to people who seem to have no empathy and are OK with people being randomly deported or killed.

It’s not just a matter of politics or different policy opinions. It’s different realities and world views.

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