how many of us did not see close MAGA family members this holiday season?

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

You refuse to see your parents because they won't follow your rules? What the hell is wrong with you?

You are the one with the problem, Nazi lover.

Why should anyone subject themselves to abuse?

Actions have consequences. Act like an animal, and watch people cut you off.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

You refuse to see your parents because they won't follow your rules? What the hell is wrong with you?

You are the one with the problem, Nazi lover.

Why should anyone subject themselves to abuse?

Actions have consequences. Act like an animal, and watch people cut you off.

Hmmm...

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

You refuse to see your parents because they won't follow your rules? What the hell is wrong with you?

You are the one with the problem, Nazi lover.

Why should anyone subject themselves to abuse?

Actions have consequences. Act like an animal, and watch people cut you off.

Hmmm...

Hmm what? You think thus is some kind of major own? Just look at all the MAGA garbage there wearing "F@ck Your Feelings " T-shirts and signs boasting that journalists should be lynched.

So no, those memaws don't deserve holiday phone calls.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

You refuse to see your parents because they won't follow your rules? What the hell is wrong with you?

You are the one with the problem, Nazi lover.

Why should anyone subject themselves to abuse?

Actions have consequences. Act like an animal, and watch people cut you off.

Im actually from AU.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

What?!?! Trump started awful rumors about Haitians in Ohio during the election. As a result, bomb threats were made to schools in that area. This is just one of many horrid examples.

Wake up.

Equivalent to running people over with trucks of course…

DP. Why are MAGA so stupid? Literally? I can't believe this numbnut is suggesting that Dems actually support Maduro.

(Not to mention excusing bomb threats to AMERICAN children, and cheering on the cutting of cancer research for AMERICAN children, and have no compunction about the repeated killing of AMERICAN children at school because elected MAGA does not care.)

Some MAGA are truly dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

MAGA understands this perfectly, which is why Trump has had to divide and conquer. Anyone preying on people needs lonely, angry, adrift people to target.

Trump isn't stupid when it comes to people. He's a narcissist who will do anything to manipulate people for his own gain.

This thread is proof of his success.

I've posted earlier that just about every single white family we know with 3 or more siblings has estrangement over Trump. Both DH and I do. Both of our best friend's do, as do so many others (we took a poll over a large dinner last year). It's quite sad, and maddening. It didn't have to be this way.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

What?!?! Trump started awful rumors about Haitians in Ohio during the election. As a result, bomb threats were made to schools in that area. This is just one of many horrid examples.

Wake up.

Equivalent to running people over with trucks of course…

DP. Why are MAGA so stupid? Literally? I can't believe this numbnut is suggesting that Dems actually support Maduro.

(Not to mention excusing bomb threats to AMERICAN children, and cheering on the cutting of cancer research for AMERICAN children, and have no compunction about the repeated killing of AMERICAN children at school because elected MAGA does not care.)

Some MAGA are truly dumb.

How many protesters are out in NY? NC? Yup, some Dems support Maduro. Especially the younger crowd. Apple does not fall far I suppose.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

What?!?! Trump started awful rumors about Haitians in Ohio during the election. As a result, bomb threats were made to schools in that area. This is just one of many horrid examples.

Wake up.

Equivalent to running people over with trucks of course…

DP. Why are MAGA so stupid? Literally? I can't believe this numbnut is suggesting that Dems actually support Maduro.

(Not to mention excusing bomb threats to AMERICAN children, and cheering on the cutting of cancer research for AMERICAN children, and have no compunction about the repeated killing of AMERICAN children at school because elected MAGA does not care.)

Some MAGA are truly dumb.

How many protesters are out in NY? NC? Yup, some Dems support Maduro. Especially the younger crowd. Apple does not fall far I suppose.

Omg. You can’t cure stupid. Listen carefully: Dems do not support Maduro. You sound like an idiot claiming this. You sound totally in a cult fig. Dems are against how Trump went about this and what it means for world order and peace. Members of NATO have also voiced their concern with what this means for Greenland.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

What does this have to do with this thread. No one is talking about just who you vote for. This is about abusive behavior. Please catch up before commenting again.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

So if your parents told you at length that your NIH physician researcher husband deserved to lose his federal job as he was a waste of taxpayer's money you would just call them up the next week and talk about the weather?

We are told all the time by leftists that tech people deserve to lose their jobs to H1Bs, and that service jobs should be done by the undocumented

Really? Please feel free to link to those exact statements.

All you have to do is look at the voting patterns and protests. Democrats in Congress vote no to any sort of ID that would determine whether someone is illegally here. Lots of states won’t allow a business to check or act on it. So many of you don’t like ICE doing their jobs. Y’all are now supporting a man who literally ran over his own people with military vehicles and has held a country hostage by appointing himself leader. It’s completely baffling to me how someone can hate Trump over a man who has done such evil things. You all surmise Trump has done evil things but can never actually prove it. The outrage is laughable at this point.

What?!?! Trump started awful rumors about Haitians in Ohio during the election. As a result, bomb threats were made to schools in that area. This is just one of many horrid examples.

Wake up.

Equivalent to running people over with trucks of course…

DP. Why are MAGA so stupid? Literally? I can't believe this numbnut is suggesting that Dems actually support Maduro.

(Not to mention excusing bomb threats to AMERICAN children, and cheering on the cutting of cancer research for AMERICAN children, and have no compunction about the repeated killing of AMERICAN children at school because elected MAGA does not care.)

Some MAGA are truly dumb.

How many protesters are out in NY? NC? Yup, some Dems support Maduro. Especially the younger crowd. Apple does not fall far I suppose.

Omg. You can’t cure stupid. Listen carefully: Dems do not support Maduro. You sound like an idiot claiming this. You sound totally in a cult fig. Dems are against how Trump went about this and what it means for world order and peace. Members of NATO have also voiced their concern with what this means for Greenland.

You waste your time, friend, trying to use logic, reason, and truth to argue with MAGA who will make up any lie about Dems to convince themselves that they are the awful, corrupt, lying politicians they elected are in the right. It is a cult. These people are unreachable.

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Greenland is the last straw, tbh. Not having dinner with people who think it’s fine to “annex” countries by fleece simply because we want them.

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Anonymous wrote:Greenland is the last straw, tbh. Not having dinner with people who think it’s fine to “annex” countries by fleece simply because we want them.

"Greenland" is the last straw? Really? This last straw didn't occur for you in 2015? I can't with you people anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Greenland is the last straw, tbh. Not having dinner with people who think it’s fine to “annex” countries by fleece simply because we want them.

"Greenland" is the last straw? Really? This last straw didn't occur for you in 2015? I can't with you people anymore.

Yes, it is. And no, i didn’t immediate cut off my great uncle in 2015 though I didn’t hide how monstrous I thought Trump and voting for him was. If you want to cut off people like me that’s fine!

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

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Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

For the millionth time - political opinions are not the problem. It’s the hate mongering coming out of Trump and MAGA. That is beyond political opinions. Trump himself calls Dems “scrum” and maybe take a look at project 2025 if you never read it

And Hilary called Republicans “deplorable”.

Did you cut off your Hilary-voting relatives for that offense?