Gen Z not voting and handing a win to criminal Trump

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Anonymous wrote:I have two new Gen Z voters in 2024. Will be 20 and 18 on election day. They are both interested in politics and very disappointed by the prospect of their choices (likely Biden vs. Trump) but will vote anyway. As a family, we are all discouraged that geriatrics with questionable mental faculties are the only option.

Are they aware of the existence of political parties, Senators, Representatives, Governors, state legislators, Mayors, City Council members, county supervisors, and other elected government positions, or do they believe that the President is the only government official and is independent of any affiliation or organization? The election is not between two people, it is between two political parties, all the way down the ballot.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Dobbs has been decided by the Supreme Court, why does it matter what candidate you vote for. It’s literally water under the bridge. The court has 6 conservative justices right now and they aren’t going anywhere for the next decade. I don’t understand this statement of women rushing to the polls to protect their abortion rights. It’s all state based now and no one is changing that unless Congress codifies it and that won't be happening any time soon either.

Just close your legs ladies and forget about voting!

That’s not what I was trying to imply. I was saying democrats are overestimating the influence of this decision to make women flock to the polls. This decision isn’t changing unless the Supreme Court becomes a liberal majority which is not happening for the next 15 years or so and unless we have a veto proof democratic senate which is never happening. So the Democratic Party should focus on highlighting issues that they can fix and use that to lure voters, not just keep on bringing up something they have no authority to change.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Dobbs has been decided by the Supreme Court, why does it matter what candidate you vote for. It’s literally water under the bridge. The court has 6 conservative justices right now and they aren’t going anywhere for the next decade. I don’t understand this statement of women rushing to the polls to protect their abortion rights. It’s all state based now and no one is changing that unless Congress codifies it and that won't be happening any time soon either.

Just close your legs ladies and forget about voting!

That’s not what I was trying to imply. I was saying democrats are overestimating the influence of this decision to make women flock to the polls. This decision isn’t changing unless the Supreme Court becomes a liberal majority which is not happening for the next 15 years or so and unless we have a veto proof democratic senate which is never happening. So the Democratic Party should focus on highlighting issues that they can fix and use that to lure voters, not just keep on bringing up something they have no authority to change.

Dobbs literally changed the last elections.

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Dobbs has been decided by the Supreme Court, why does it matter what candidate you vote for. It’s literally water under the bridge. The court has 6 conservative justices right now and they aren’t going anywhere for the next decade. I don’t understand this statement of women rushing to the polls to protect their abortion rights. It’s all state based now and no one is changing that unless Congress codifies it and that won't be happening any time soon either.

Just close your legs ladies and forget about voting!

That’s not what I was trying to imply. I was saying democrats are overestimating the influence of this decision to make women flock to the polls. This decision isn’t changing unless the Supreme Court becomes a liberal majority which is not happening for the next 15 years or so and unless we have a veto proof democratic senate which is never happening. So the Democratic Party should focus on highlighting issues that they can fix and use that to lure voters, not just keep on bringing up something they have no authority to change.

Dobbs literally changed the last elections.

DP: yes and since then, the people actually getting results for women on abortion issues haven’t been Joe Biden, it’s been state wide initiatives to change constitutions. Biden has been extremely lackluster on this issue. PP is correct that they need to focus on more than abortion (unless they’re going to start doing something about it, which they could, but don’t).

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Anonymous wrote:Now that Dobbs has been decided by the Supreme Court, why does it matter what candidate you vote for. It’s literally water under the bridge. The court has 6 conservative justices right now and they aren’t going anywhere for the next decade. I don’t understand this statement of women rushing to the polls to protect their abortion rights. It’s all state based now and no one is changing that unless Congress codifies it and that won't be happening any time soon either.

Just close your legs ladies and forget about voting!

That’s not what I was trying to imply. I was saying democrats are overestimating the influence of this decision to make women flock to the polls. This decision isn’t changing unless the Supreme Court becomes a liberal majority which is not happening for the next 15 years or so and unless we have a veto proof democratic senate which is never happening. So the Democratic Party should focus on highlighting issues that they can fix and use that to lure voters, not just keep on bringing up something they have no authority to change.

The Dems need the presidency to control SCOTUS appointments. Thank you GOP for making that crystal clear. If it takes 15 years, it takes 15 years.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jewish voter is going to play a huge role. I tend to vote Democrat, but cannot support Biden again. I will be taking a close look at the 3rd party candidate and might consider Kennedy. It would make me physically sick to vote for Trump, but I trust him to care about terrorism and Israel more than I trust Biden these days. That said, it will probably be quite a cold day in Hell because I never in my wildest dreams thought I would even consider supporting that deranged criminal, but I think the US has gone completely insane, so there is that.

If your #1 issue in the U.S. presidential election is Israel, you've gone a little bit insane, too.

Agreed. Also, that’s out of step with the reality of the political landscape. Israel/Gaza — like all foreign policy — is not going to sway the election much unless Biden commits US troops. DCUM is a lefty echo chamber on this matter (and I say that as someone who was warning people here in June 2016 that Trump was going to win).

However what Biden will struggle with in general is voter apathy and Israel/Gaza contributes to that, albeit minimally. Democrats always need high turnout and Biden isn’t going to drive that. Meanwhile Trump’s supporters will be fired up, like last time.

I would seriously not ignore Dobbs as a factor. So many people think women are just going to blithely accept our rights being ripped away from us.

No one thinks that FFS. But you’re crazy and spiteful to behave as if this war isn’t also the most critical issue for some voters in swing states.

You sound insane and irrational, lashing out at the PP like this. That was uncalled for.

Gaza is indeed probably the most important issue for some people. Nothing the PP said implies otherwise. But Gaza is unlikely to be a big domestic vote-mover, based on literally years of voter history. Foreign affairs are almost never a major election driver, unless there are significant US troops committed.

Dobbs, on the other hand, has moved votes as recently as last year. The PP is correct that Dobbs may drive young voters to the polls. But Gaza is unlikely to drive a lot of voters to the polls unless there is a significant break with historic precedent.

Please be rational.

Please eat a pile dogshit, thanks.

The danger of the smug-assed Democratic consensus that you and PP typify is that you won’t acknowledge that Gaza may well depress turnout where it’s most needed - specifically right now in Michigan. Ignore it at your peril (you will).

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Anonymous wrote:I have two new Gen Z voters in 2024. Will be 20 and 18 on election day. They are both interested in politics and very disappointed by the prospect of their choices (likely Biden vs. Trump) but will vote anyway. As a family, we are all discouraged that geriatrics with questionable mental faculties are the only option.

I think they are more likely to be drafted into the service of Biden wins.

The 18 year old is headed to university to be in ROTC and willingly serve our country. It's what he wants and has for a long time now. He's also an Eagle Scout. We are very proud of him. We all vote D by the way.

Similar.

The oldest went ROTC. Went through the West Point process. But got into his ED school and chose that. No regrets. Good experience. But he's a senior now and about to commission.

So things are very real.

The fact that the Commander in Chief is going to be some 80-something rapidly failing geriatric that displays senility and dementia is not ideal. And that applies to both Biden and Trump.

I tell myself that neither seem to be warmongers like George Bush and Hilary Clinton. Nor are they weak and indecisive like Obama when it comes to national security and when to deploy soldiers.

But ugh.

Two very old men that don't give a damn about 21 year old soldiers. Not great. Son is certainly ready to defend his country. But it's hard to have faith in the wisdom and acumen of a couple of extremely old narcissists whose mental acuity is declining with every passing day.

No politics. Just saying it's wrong to have feeble old men make these kinds of decisions. Our system is broken.

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Anonymous wrote:I have two new Gen Z voters in 2024. Will be 20 and 18 on election day. They are both interested in politics and very disappointed by the prospect of their choices (likely Biden vs. Trump) but will vote anyway. As a family, we are all discouraged that geriatrics with questionable mental faculties are the only option.

This is how many across all generations will view it and not bother to go to the poles.

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Anonymous wrote:I have two new Gen Z voters in 2024. Will be 20 and 18 on election day. They are both interested in politics and very disappointed by the prospect of their choices (likely Biden vs. Trump) but will vote anyway. As a family, we are all discouraged that geriatrics with questionable mental faculties are the only option.

I think they are more likely to be drafted into the service of Biden wins.

The 18 year old is headed to university to be in ROTC and willingly serve our country. It's what he wants and has for a long time now. He's also an Eagle Scout. We are very proud of him. We all vote D by the way.

Similar.

The oldest went ROTC. Went through the West Point process. But got into his ED school and chose that. No regrets. Good experience. But he's a senior now and about to commission.

So things are very real.

The fact that the Commander in Chief is going to be some 80-something rapidly failing geriatric that displays senility and dementia is not ideal. And that applies to both Biden and Trump.

I tell myself that neither seem to be warmongers like George Bush and Hilary Clinton. Nor are they weak and indecisive like Obama when it comes to national security and when to deploy soldiers.

But ugh.

Two very old men that don't give a damn about 21 year old soldiers. Not great. Son is certainly ready to defend his country. But it's hard to have faith in the wisdom and acumen of a couple of extremely old narcissists whose mental acuity is declining with every passing day.

No politics. Just saying it's wrong to have feeble old men make these kinds of decisions. Our system is broken.

I'm the mom of the 18 yo signing up to defend our country...for good or bad. He's made up his mind and I'm here to support him. Bad leaders have always sent young men to battle. This is nothing new. I take comfort in him becoming an officer that will likely not see the front lines. He's more of an intellectual type and has devoured war strategy since he was a young boy. I descend from generations of servicemen and could not be more proud that he is carrying the mantle of service.

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Anonymous wrote:I have two new Gen Z voters in 2024. Will be 20 and 18 on election day. They are both interested in politics and very disappointed by the prospect of their choices (likely Biden vs. Trump) but will vote anyway. As a family, we are all discouraged that geriatrics with questionable mental faculties are the only option.

This is how many across all generations will view it and not bother to go to the poles.

Same. I have an 18 and 23 yo and none of them are going to vote if it is Trump v Biden. My daughter might vote for Nicky Haley.

[Anonymous]

Gen Y here. Not voting for Biden again. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have two new Gen Z voters in 2024. Will be 20 and 18 on election day. They are both interested in politics and very disappointed by the prospect of their choices (likely Biden vs. Trump) but will vote anyway. As a family, we are all discouraged that geriatrics with questionable mental faculties are the only option.

It's a scary time in America when the majority of people have serious doubts about the mental and physical capabilities of the two options they have to lead the country for another four years. These concerns should be applicable to a few of the high ranking members of congress. At least Pelosi had the common sense and decency to finally step back from her leadership role. McConnell and a few other need to do the same. We must do better.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jewish voter is going to play a huge role. I tend to vote Democrat, but cannot support Biden again. I will be taking a close look at the 3rd party candidate and might consider Kennedy. It would make me physically sick to vote for Trump, but I trust him to care about terrorism and Israel more than I trust Biden these days. That said, it will probably be quite a cold day in Hell because I never in my wildest dreams thought I would even consider supporting that deranged criminal, but I think the US has gone completely insane, so there is that.

If your #1 issue in the U.S. presidential election is Israel, you've gone a little bit insane, too.

Agreed. Also, that’s out of step with the reality of the political landscape. Israel/Gaza — like all foreign policy — is not going to sway the election much unless Biden commits US troops. DCUM is a lefty echo chamber on this matter (and I say that as someone who was warning people here in June 2016 that Trump was going to win).

However what Biden will struggle with in general is voter apathy and Israel/Gaza contributes to that, albeit minimally. Democrats always need high turnout and Biden isn’t going to drive that. Meanwhile Trump’s supporters will be fired up, like last time.

I would seriously not ignore Dobbs as a factor. So many people think women are just going to blithely accept our rights being ripped away from us.

No one thinks that FFS. But you’re crazy and spiteful to behave as if this war isn’t also the most critical issue for some voters in swing states.

You sound insane and irrational, lashing out at the PP like this. That was uncalled for.

Gaza is indeed probably the most important issue for some people. Nothing the PP said implies otherwise. But Gaza is unlikely to be a big domestic vote-mover, based on literally years of voter history. Foreign affairs are almost never a major election driver, unless there are significant US troops committed.

Dobbs, on the other hand, has moved votes as recently as last year. The PP is correct that Dobbs may drive young voters to the polls. But Gaza is unlikely to drive a lot of voters to the polls unless there is a significant break with historic precedent.

Please be rational.

Please eat a pile dogshit, thanks.

The danger of the smug-assed Democratic consensus that you and PP typify is that you won’t acknowledge that Gaza may well depress turnout where it’s most needed - specifically right now in Michigan. Ignore it at your peril (you will).

Dp- pandering to a holes like you, means losing the middle ( and frankly the people I actually agree with and care about)
So F off and die?
Xo

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Anonymous wrote:The Jewish voter is going to play a huge role. I tend to vote Democrat, but cannot support Biden again. I will be taking a close look at the 3rd party candidate and might consider Kennedy. It would make me physically sick to vote for Trump, but I trust him to care about terrorism and Israel more than I trust Biden these days. That said, it will probably be quite a cold day in Hell because I never in my wildest dreams thought I would even consider supporting that deranged criminal, but I think the US has gone completely insane, so there is that.

If your #1 issue in the U.S. presidential election is Israel, you've gone a little bit insane, too.

Agreed. Also, that’s out of step with the reality of the political landscape. Israel/Gaza — like all foreign policy — is not going to sway the election much unless Biden commits US troops. DCUM is a lefty echo chamber on this matter (and I say that as someone who was warning people here in June 2016 that Trump was going to win).

However what Biden will struggle with in general is voter apathy and Israel/Gaza contributes to that, albeit minimally. Democrats always need high turnout and Biden isn’t going to drive that. Meanwhile Trump’s supporters will be fired up, like last time.

I would seriously not ignore Dobbs as a factor. So many people think women are just going to blithely accept our rights being ripped away from us.

No one thinks that FFS. But you’re crazy and spiteful to behave as if this war isn’t also the most critical issue for some voters in swing states.

You sound insane and irrational, lashing out at the PP like this. That was uncalled for.

Gaza is indeed probably the most important issue for some people. Nothing the PP said implies otherwise. But Gaza is unlikely to be a big domestic vote-mover, based on literally years of voter history. Foreign affairs are almost never a major election driver, unless there are significant US troops committed.

Dobbs, on the other hand, has moved votes as recently as last year. The PP is correct that Dobbs may drive young voters to the polls. But Gaza is unlikely to drive a lot of voters to the polls unless there is a significant break with historic precedent.

Please be rational.

Please eat a pile dogshit, thanks.

The danger of the smug-assed Democratic consensus that you and PP typify is that you won’t acknowledge that Gaza may well depress turnout where it’s most needed - specifically right now in Michigan. Ignore it at your peril (you will).

Dp- pandering to a holes like you, means losing the middle ( and frankly the people I actually agree with and care about)
So F off and die?
Xo

DP. You moderates are the ones that ensure Trump’s victory, roe vs wade being over turned, the removal of the Ivy League Presidents, never ending wars in the Middle East to support Israel, etc. You are the ones who sell out this country at every opportunity. How many US servicemen have to die for Israel? It is beyond crazy to think that the US must continue to support Israel endless killing, terrorist attacks, stealing of land, assassination and antagonizing Iran for a Jewish state?

Every wonder why you all lost to Trump. Why you are unable to generate a majority in the senate or house even with Roe! No one votes for moderates.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jewish voter is going to play a huge role. I tend to vote Democrat, but cannot support Biden again. I will be taking a close look at the 3rd party candidate and might consider Kennedy. It would make me physically sick to vote for Trump, but I trust him to care about terrorism and Israel more than I trust Biden these days. That said, it will probably be quite a cold day in Hell because I never in my wildest dreams thought I would even consider supporting that deranged criminal, but I think the US has gone completely insane, so there is that.

If your #1 issue in the U.S. presidential election is Israel, you've gone a little bit insane, too.

Agreed. Also, that’s out of step with the reality of the political landscape. Israel/Gaza — like all foreign policy — is not going to sway the election much unless Biden commits US troops. DCUM is a lefty echo chamber on this matter (and I say that as someone who was warning people here in June 2016 that Trump was going to win).

However what Biden will struggle with in general is voter apathy and Israel/Gaza contributes to that, albeit minimally. Democrats always need high turnout and Biden isn’t going to drive that. Meanwhile Trump’s supporters will be fired up, like last time.

I would seriously not ignore Dobbs as a factor. So many people think women are just going to blithely accept our rights being ripped away from us.

No one thinks that FFS. But you’re crazy and spiteful to behave as if this war isn’t also the most critical issue for some voters in swing states.

You sound insane and irrational, lashing out at the PP like this. That was uncalled for.

Gaza is indeed probably the most important issue for some people. Nothing the PP said implies otherwise. But Gaza is unlikely to be a big domestic vote-mover, based on literally years of voter history. Foreign affairs are almost never a major election driver, unless there are significant US troops committed.

Dobbs, on the other hand, has moved votes as recently as last year. The PP is correct that Dobbs may drive young voters to the polls. But Gaza is unlikely to drive a lot of voters to the polls unless there is a significant break with historic precedent.

Please be rational.

Please eat a pile dogshit, thanks.

The danger of the smug-assed Democratic consensus that you and PP typify is that you won’t acknowledge that Gaza may well depress turnout where it’s most needed - specifically right now in Michigan. Ignore it at your peril (you will).

Dp- pandering to a holes like you, means losing the middle ( and frankly the people I actually agree with and care about)
So F off and die?
Xo

You’re the death of the party, you complete moron. Yes, it’s down to bwitches like you.