Gen Z not voting and handing a win to criminal Trump

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Anonymous wrote:The Jewish voter is going to play a huge role. I tend to vote Democrat, but cannot support Biden again. I will be taking a close look at the 3rd party candidate and might consider Kennedy. It would make me physically sick to vote for Trump, but I trust him to care about terrorism and Israel more than I trust Biden these days. That said, it will probably be quite a cold day in Hell because I never in my wildest dreams thought I would even consider supporting that deranged criminal, but I think the US has gone completely insane, so there is that.

If your #1 issue in the U.S. presidential election is Israel, you've gone a little bit insane, too.

Agreed. Also, that’s out of step with the reality of the political landscape. Israel/Gaza — like all foreign policy — is not going to sway the election much unless Biden commits US troops. DCUM is a lefty echo chamber on this matter (and I say that as someone who was warning people here in June 2016 that Trump was going to win).

However what Biden will struggle with in general is voter apathy and Israel/Gaza contributes to that, albeit minimally. Democrats always need high turnout and Biden isn’t going to drive that. Meanwhile Trump’s supporters will be fired up, like last time.

I would seriously not ignore Dobbs as a factor. So many people think women are just going to blithely accept our rights being ripped away from us.

No one thinks that FFS. But you’re crazy and spiteful to behave as if this war isn’t also the most critical issue for some voters in swing states.

You sound insane and irrational, lashing out at the PP like this. That was uncalled for.

Gaza is indeed probably the most important issue for some people. Nothing the PP said implies otherwise. But Gaza is unlikely to be a big domestic vote-mover, based on literally years of voter history. Foreign affairs are almost never a major election driver, unless there are significant US troops committed.

Dobbs, on the other hand, has moved votes as recently as last year. The PP is correct that Dobbs may drive young voters to the polls. But Gaza is unlikely to drive a lot of voters to the polls unless there is a significant break with historic precedent.

Please be rational.

Please eat a pile dogshit, thanks.

The danger of the smug-assed Democratic consensus that you and PP typify is that you won’t acknowledge that Gaza may well depress turnout where it’s most needed - specifically right now in Michigan. Ignore it at your peril (you will).

Man, you are so unpleasant. I wonder why you can’t persuade anyone to your position? It’s truly a mystery. 🤔🤔

In any event, you are wrong about me. I think Democrats are sleepwalking their way to a Trump victory. But not because of Israel/Gaza, which is an electoral fringe issue (like nearly all foreign affairs issues historically) despite what obsessed lunatics like you think.

I’m a DP, and I think it’s a fringe issue with the capacity to tank the election. Unless you think Biden can win without Michigan, in which case I see why you’re not concerned.

It’s not even anything other than a fringe issue in Michigan, DCUM echo chamber notwithstanding.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jewish voter is going to play a huge role. I tend to vote Democrat, but cannot support Biden again. I will be taking a close look at the 3rd party candidate and might consider Kennedy. It would make me physically sick to vote for Trump, but I trust him to care about terrorism and Israel more than I trust Biden these days. That said, it will probably be quite a cold day in Hell because I never in my wildest dreams thought I would even consider supporting that deranged criminal, but I think the US has gone completely insane, so there is that.

If your #1 issue in the U.S. presidential election is Israel, you've gone a little bit insane, too.

Agreed. Also, that’s out of step with the reality of the political landscape. Israel/Gaza — like all foreign policy — is not going to sway the election much unless Biden commits US troops. DCUM is a lefty echo chamber on this matter (and I say that as someone who was warning people here in June 2016 that Trump was going to win).

However what Biden will struggle with in general is voter apathy and Israel/Gaza contributes to that, albeit minimally. Democrats always need high turnout and Biden isn’t going to drive that. Meanwhile Trump’s supporters will be fired up, like last time.

I would seriously not ignore Dobbs as a factor. So many people think women are just going to blithely accept our rights being ripped away from us.

No one thinks that FFS. But you’re crazy and spiteful to behave as if this war isn’t also the most critical issue for some voters in swing states.

You sound insane and irrational, lashing out at the PP like this. That was uncalled for.

Gaza is indeed probably the most important issue for some people. Nothing the PP said implies otherwise. But Gaza is unlikely to be a big domestic vote-mover, based on literally years of voter history. Foreign affairs are almost never a major election driver, unless there are significant US troops committed.

Dobbs, on the other hand, has moved votes as recently as last year. The PP is correct that Dobbs may drive young voters to the polls. But Gaza is unlikely to drive a lot of voters to the polls unless there is a significant break with historic precedent.

Please be rational.

Please eat a pile dogshit, thanks.

The danger of the smug-assed Democratic consensus that you and PP typify is that you won’t acknowledge that Gaza may well depress turnout where it’s most needed - specifically right now in Michigan. Ignore it at your peril (you will).

Man, you are so unpleasant. I wonder why you can’t persuade anyone to your position? It’s truly a mystery. 🤔🤔

In any event, you are wrong about me. I think Democrats are sleepwalking their way to a Trump victory. But not because of Israel/Gaza, which is an electoral fringe issue (like nearly all foreign affairs issues historically) despite what obsessed lunatics like you think.

I’m a DP, and I think it’s a fringe issue with the capacity to tank the election. Unless you think Biden can win without Michigan, in which case I see why you’re not concerned.

Win or lose I don’t think that the administration can make foreign policy decisions based on what Arab Americans in Michigan think. Maybe they are the ones not seeing the big picture of what another Trump administration will mean for their constituents.

For generations American foreign policy toward Ireland was heavily based on what Irish-Americans in New York and Boston thought. To the degree that it’s in State Department cables from the 50s.

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Remind me, were the Irish shouting death to America?

They certainly were bombing things.

But no, they weren’t shouting death to America— and America wasn’t supporting the British committing atrocities.

But the question is whether expats should impact our foreign policy and the answer is that they absolutely have.

Yes, well, we stayed close partners with Britain but we did have a few Irish pop singers hit #1. I wouldn't say it was a huge impact like the demands from pp. Oh and the Irish didn't have extremist wings that attacked the US or US ideals.

We did stay close partners— treaty Allies— with Britain. Which is why it doesn’t make sense to me that we’re forced to act like enabling atrocities is the price of being a partner. It hasn’t been elsewhere.

And the IRA absolutely attacked U.S. ideals. They bombed Manchester. Have you never heard of The Troubles?

The IRA were considered terrorists despite some Irish-American support. American donors would occasionally get picked up by the FBI for material support, which is going to happen this time around with Hamas. Keep dreaming on US withdrawing their support of Israel though, as if we believe Iran will stop attacking us afterwards

Yes this is exactly my point though. The IRA were listed terrorists, carried out terrorist attacks, and yet because of key voting constituencies, the U.S was an avid and public supporter of the establishment of the Repubkix of Ireland and neutral on the question of the six counties (“occupied territories”). Why don’t think Arab Americans— in Michigan or elsewhere— shouldn’t impact our foreign policy?

If by impact you mean talking out of both sides of our mouth and supporting a few symbolic things then I agree with you. But full-fledged support of Gaza and tanking our relationship with Israel? Extremist dreams that will never come to pass.

Our relationship with the UK wasn’t tanked by being neutral on the six counties. It wasn’t tanked by our full-fledged support for the establishment of Republic of Ireland. Why does Israel get to be so fragile that we lose domestic and international prestige to avoid hurting their feelings?

To be clear I don’t think we should end our relationship with Israel. I think we should put it on the same footing as other allies with whom we have had disagreements with their conduct.

So one notable difference is the Irish didn't have an ethos involving driving the entire British population out of the UK and attacking culturally British people around the world.

And that difference, to you, means that the views of Arab Americans should be less valuable than that of Irish Americans, despite the 10,000 bomb attacks that took place in the course of The Troubles.

Is it possible you should examine your motivations a little more rigorously?

DP. The views of Irish Americans on Ireland have had minimal impact on US foreign policy over the years. That’s not the same as no impact, and there has been some, but it just hasn’t been a big influence compared to other issues.

I do not see why you think the views of Arab Americans are so important that they should and will trump other electoral concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s disgusting how kids are being blamed by democrats for refusing to keep a failed president in office so he can go on failing our country - and their generation - for another four years.

Our youngest eligible voters are less likely to buy into the "you better vote for this candidate or else the world will end" garbage messaging we hear out of the Trump and Biden campaigns. My gut feeling tells me many of them won't vote or will vote for a 3rd party candidate just because the messaging out of the two major parties is so off putting.

Yup. And Biden can't win the battleground states without the youth vote. It's just a point or two that will determine the victor in those states. Probably can't win Michigan, a blue state now, if Arab-Americans are going to vote for Trump out of spite.

As we all know, Trump was absolutely wonderful for Muslims. He loves Muslims so much he banned them from traveling to the US. And moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem was done because of his deep respect and admiration for Palestinians. And Trump is totally not buddies with Netanyahu. And his favorite daughter is for sure not Jewish. Counting on Trump to save the Muslims in Gaza is an awesome plan. Nothing could possibly go wrong.

They aren’t voting for Trump out of spite.
They are voting for Trump, because they are culturally anti democratic.
We going to have to come to terms with it at some point.

You need the services of a team of qualified mental health professionals. Seriously.

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As much as I hate Gen Z, I think they will showed up to vote. In 2022 Gen Z saved us from losing the house (we lost it by a few seats, when they were calling for a red wave)

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Just remined Gen Z that Trump wanted to ban TikTok that will be enough for them to vote for Biden.

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Anonymous wrote:Just remined Gen Z that Trump wanted to ban TikTok that will be enough for them to vote for Biden.

That is a very very good point.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jewish voter is going to play a huge role. I tend to vote Democrat, but cannot support Biden again. I will be taking a close look at the 3rd party candidate and might consider Kennedy. It would make me physically sick to vote for Trump, but I trust him to care about terrorism and Israel more than I trust Biden these days. That said, it will probably be quite a cold day in Hell because I never in my wildest dreams thought I would even consider supporting that deranged criminal, but I think the US has gone completely insane, so there is that.

If your #1 issue in the U.S. presidential election is Israel, you've gone a little bit insane, too.

Agreed. Also, that’s out of step with the reality of the political landscape. Israel/Gaza — like all foreign policy — is not going to sway the election much unless Biden commits US troops. DCUM is a lefty echo chamber on this matter (and I say that as someone who was warning people here in June 2016 that Trump was going to win).

However what Biden will struggle with in general is voter apathy and Israel/Gaza contributes to that, albeit minimally. Democrats always need high turnout and Biden isn’t going to drive that. Meanwhile Trump’s supporters will be fired up, like last time.

I would seriously not ignore Dobbs as a factor. So many people think women are just going to blithely accept our rights being ripped away from us.

No one thinks that FFS. But you’re crazy and spiteful to behave as if this war isn’t also the most critical issue for some voters in swing states.

You sound insane and irrational, lashing out at the PP like this. That was uncalled for.

Gaza is indeed probably the most important issue for some people. Nothing the PP said implies otherwise. But Gaza is unlikely to be a big domestic vote-mover, based on literally years of voter history. Foreign affairs are almost never a major election driver, unless there are significant US troops committed.

Dobbs, on the other hand, has moved votes as recently as last year. The PP is correct that Dobbs may drive young voters to the polls. But Gaza is unlikely to drive a lot of voters to the polls unless there is a significant break with historic precedent.

Please be rational.

Please eat a pile dogshit, thanks.

The danger of the smug-assed Democratic consensus that you and PP typify is that you won’t acknowledge that Gaza may well depress turnout where it’s most needed - specifically right now in Michigan. Ignore it at your peril (you will).

Man, you are so unpleasant. I wonder why you can’t persuade anyone to your position? It’s truly a mystery. 🤔🤔

In any event, you are wrong about me. I think Democrats are sleepwalking their way to a Trump victory. But not because of Israel/Gaza, which is an electoral fringe issue (like nearly all foreign affairs issues historically) despite what obsessed lunatics like you think.

I’m a DP, and I think it’s a fringe issue with the capacity to tank the election. Unless you think Biden can win without Michigan, in which case I see why you’re not concerned.

It’s not even anything other than a fringe issue in Michigan, DCUM echo chamber notwithstanding.

It's January. The elections aren't until November.

Whatever is happening in Israel or Gaza ten months from now will be very different than what's happening today.

The people making an issue out of this right now are the same people that will vote for Jill Stein or Kennedy regardless. Same people as a generation before that voted for Nader and gave us Bush and the Iraq war.

Which worked out wonderfully for Muslims, POC, and women.

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So the guy who’s been in government for 4 years is the dictator, but the guy who’s been in government for 50 years is not the dictator?

How many insurrections has Biden incited? dumbass

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So the guy who’s been in government for 4 years is the dictator, but the guy who’s been in government for 50 years is not the dictator?

How many insurrections has Biden incited? dumbass

Relax, we don't want Trump as president until 2029 even more than we don't wan't Biden as president until 2029. We're all on the same team in this regard.

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Hahahhahaa

Idiots thinking they can trust 18-30 year olds to vote. How have you never learned from history?