At least 8 people shot & killed in Allen, TX mall today

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Anonymous wrote:The families of victims need to be able to sue the manufacturers of assault weapons. Remove the profitability of those weapons. It’s the only chance we have of making real change.

Right after we sue all the auto manufactures for DUI and other vehicle related deaths.

Yes. Lots of changes have resulted from lawsuits against industry. Tobacco, cars, pharmaceuticals, fast food, etc. The gun industry is way way overdue for their turn.

Feel free to show a lawsuit that an auto manufacture was sued due to a drunk driver killing someone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The families of victims need to be able to sue the manufacturers of assault weapons. Remove the profitability of those weapons. It’s the only chance we have of making real change.

Right after we sue all the auto manufactures for DUI and other vehicle related deaths.

Yes. Lots of changes have resulted from lawsuits against industry. Tobacco, cars, pharmaceuticals, fast food, etc. The gun industry is way way overdue for their turn.

Feel free to show a lawsuit that an auto manufacture was sued due to a drunk driver killing someone.

Some Sandy Hook parents were successful in a lawsuit and look for more where that came from. Every option possible to reclaim our society for our families.

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Yes. Lots of changes have resulted from lawsuits against industry. Tobacco, cars, pharmaceuticals, fast food, etc. The gun industry is way way overdue for their turn.

The 2nd Amendment will offer gun owners and manufacturers protection the tobacco industry did not have.

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Some Sandy Hook parents were successful in a lawsuit and look for more where that came from. Every option possible to reclaim our society for our families.

What lawsuit was this and how has it helped reduce gun sales?

[Anonymous]

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Yes. Lots of changes have resulted from lawsuits against industry. Tobacco, cars, pharmaceuticals, fast food, etc. The gun industry is way way overdue for their turn.

The 2nd Amendment will offer gun owners and manufacturers protection the tobacco industry did not have.

Entirely depends on SCOTUS. Change the justices and change the rights. Sorry Daniel defense. Find a new business because the voters intend to put you out of business. The country belongs to the voters, not the NRA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am 100% for banning the sale of assault rifles and making it much harder to purchase any weapon, but the reality is this won’t actually prevent these shootings. It just won’t. These mass shootings are planned. These murderers can and will plot and patiently wait to pull it together. Mass shootings have happened in states like CA where it is more difficult to purchase a gun.

Mental healthcare is important, but it won’t be enough either. The parents of the recent TN shooter were on top of their kid’s mental health. Nonetheless…

We need to find a way for people who are truly worried about individuals to flag them so they can’t access guns and any weapons they already have can be taken away. Sadly, even that isn’t foolproof.

And remember: while mass shootings are the most terrifying since anyone could be at the wrong place at the wrong time, most shootings are suicides and individual run of the mill violence. Both tend to involve basic hand guns.

It’s all bad. The genie is out of the bottle. There’s no easy solution.

When the AWB was in place, mass shootings went down significantly. When it expired, mass shootings shot up through the roof.
Would an AWB stop all mass shootings? No. But it WOULD stop quite a few of them.

Even though it's a partial and imperfect solution, do not let perfect be the enemy of good.
We need to reinstate an AWB, ALONG WITH pursuing other measures.

This has been proven false over and over, repeating the lies from the gun grabbers doesn't make it true.

citation needed

"While gun violence overall fell in the US during this period—just like many other countries around the world—the decline continued even after the Federal Assault Weapons Ban ended in 2004. Authors of the government-funded study plainly stated “we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence”

Most studies today are funded by antigun groups or companies and the results were paid for before the study started.

ALL rifles and not just AR-15's make up less than 4% of all gun deaths which includes LEO killing bad guys, then there is this:

According to a New York Times analysis, since 2007, at least “173 people have been killed in mass shootings in the United States involving AR-15s.”

That’s 173 over a span of a decade, with an average of 17 homicides per year. To put this in perspective, consider that at this rate it would take almost one-hundred years of mass shootings with AR-15s to produce the same number of homicide victims that knives and sharp objects produce in one year.

With an average of 13,657 homicides per year during the 2007-2017 timeframe, about one-tenth of one percent of homicides were produced by mass shootings involving AR-15s.

[Anonymous]

Interesting. Great cultures were not built by wholesale rejection of new ideas. In fact it's the opposite throughout civilization. Just saying. I am sure most Texans would fly to CA or NY in a heartbeat in order to take advantage of cutting edge medical technology in the event that they need it. I'll bet they would listen to someone who is "not their own". I'll bet they are listening to many, many people who are helping them change their electric grid infrastructure and that many of those people do not live in Texas. I am willing to bet that the influx of people from CA and NYS are highly educated people who are helping to build up their state and their state's economy. Texans may be "independent" by nature, but I doubt this "independence" extends to every facet of their lives.


Almost everybody would fly somewhere in a heartbeat to take advantage of life-saving medical technology. Many from CA and NYS fly to Houston yearly to take advantage of MD Anderson's cutting-edge medical technology. How does traveling to get the best medical attention you can afford apply to gun ownership in and around Allen, Texas?

Are you saying that Texans would listen to what an out-of-state power grid contractor has to say about gun control? Really?

I will take your bet regarding people from CA or NYS "helping" to build up the state. Native Texans almost universally hate these people. I will ask you the question Texans ask people who move to Texas and then advocate changing Texas laws: "If the laws (or whatever) are so great in CA (or NYS), WTF did you move here?"

My point remains. There is no chance that the people of South Texas will comply with a mandate they perceive to be "from Washington" regarding their ownership and use of firearms. Even more, who would enforce such a mandate? Would you join a law enforcement agency to travel to Brownsville to confiscate guns? You would quickly find out how "independent" they are regarding this "facet of their lives."

If you want to make a change, focus on CT (where Sandy Hook is located) or VA first. Stop gun-related crimes here and then maybe the message will be heard elsewhere.

It's too bad you cut off your comment that I was responding to. I wonder why?

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It's a 2-for-1, which makes it all disheartening that anything will ever get better. The Right Wing internet/tv machines enflames the rage, while their politicians are making access to guns (and the ability to open carry) easier and easier. They're collectively providing the fuel and the flame, and it's going to get a hell of a lot worse.


You are right. It will get worse.

I grew up close to Allen. No one from DC will take guns away from the people who live there, and it is unlikely anyone from Austin will, either.

I am in my late 40s. The men I grew up with have been hunting deer, quail, ducks, etc., since they were 11 or 12. They are way more comfortable with using firearms than anyone I know here that has not served in the armed forces, For every person you hear complaining about their access to guns, there is someone there talking about Washington starting a problem they are left to fix it.

Simply, they do not believe anyone in this part of the country listens to them, so they have no desire to listen to someone who is not their own. And the influx of people from CA, NYS, etc. only reinforces their belief that they are living like the rest of America should.

So you believe in local control for Texas, but not for the rest of America. All of us should live just like you do in Texas? How about the rest of the world . . . do you believe that for them as well?

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Some Sandy Hook parents were successful in a lawsuit and look for more where that came from. Every option possible to reclaim our society for our families.

What lawsuit was this and how has it helped reduce gun sales?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/sandy-hook-families-settlement.html

[Anonymous]

For this topic, I know the locality. Please respond on point. Are you willing to go to Texas and try to remove guns from those that own them? Do not provide a vague answer. Would you do this, yourself? I did not copy all of my posts or all of yours to save space.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps dems should take republicans at their word and propose some bills to require extensive mental health exams before you can get a firearms license, with annual re-exams.

Here’s an easy mental health test. The kind of people who want to own assault weapons are the exact people we shouldn’t be selling them to. Has anyone ever given a reasonable explanation as to why civilians need to own military grade assault weapons? You can’t hunt with them. You don’t need an assault weapon to kill a single intruder. No, assault weapons are only for killing many people very quickly. Red flag right there.

The people that shouldn't own them are the people that want them banned, like the mentally ill KY Trump hating bank shooter.

I guess you know know how to search the internet, plenty of animals have been taken by an AR-15 including invasive hogs that have killed people and ruining farmers crops, then also reducing the deer and other animal populations because they have become a problem.

When all the democratic cities release the felons with no bail, your going to have a group of people invade your home. You will need to thank yourself in advance because when they come kill you and your family it will be more difficult to tell yourself that after the fact.

"Oklahoma Man Uses AR-15 to Kill Three Teen Home Intruders"

Chicago has had over 88 mass shootings this year, Texas has had 17. Until I see the outrage of the victims in Chicago then everything else is just believing all the MSM hype or conformation bias has taking over any rational thinking abilities.

How were invasive hogs and deer handled before AR-15's? Were we fighting a losing battle against the hog prior?

Well obviously because the population boomed and was not controlled what we did before the AR-15 got popular didn't work. Honestly at this point you need full auto to really control the population but that would rustle some jimmies. The AR-15 is one of the best guns for the purpose currently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The families of victims need to be able to sue the manufacturers of assault weapons. Remove the profitability of those weapons. It’s the only chance we have of making real change.

Right after we sue all the auto manufactures for DUI and other vehicle related deaths.

Yes. Lots of changes have resulted from lawsuits against industry. Tobacco, cars, pharmaceuticals, fast food, etc. The gun industry is way way overdue for their turn.

Feel free to show a lawsuit that an auto manufacture was sued due to a drunk driver killing someone.

Some Sandy Hook parents were successful in a lawsuit and look for more where that came from. Every option possible to reclaim our society for our families.

Failed to answer the question, what branch of congress are you in?

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Anonymous wrote:For this topic, I know the locality. Please respond on point. Are you willing to go to Texas and try to remove guns from those that own them? Do not provide a vague answer. Would you do this, yourself? I did not copy all of my posts or all of yours to save space.

Everything has a price. This is accomplished through the almighty dollar. See Australia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
For this topic, I know the locality. Please respond on point. Are you willing to go to Texas and try to remove guns from those that own them? Do not provide a vague answer. Would you do this, yourself? I did not copy all of my posts or all of yours to save space.


Everything has a price. This is accomplished through the almighty dollar. See Australia.

+1

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Simply, they do not believe anyone in this part of the country listens to them, so they have no desire to listen to someone who is not their own. And the influx of people from CA, NYS, etc. only reinforces their belief that they are living like the rest of America should.

I am not copying the previous conversation in order to save space (just like you PP). But I would like you to respond to this comment that you made. I have heard that Texans do not feel like they are part of America so this intrigues me. I would also like to know why they think there is a way that the rest of America should live (and why that is "their way"). It just sounds very antithetical to fundamental American beliefs. I feel like you will not respond to your comment, but interested as this kind of sentiment will not lead to compromise or even the possibility of compromise.

As a practical matter, I also grew up around hunting and guns. However, I do not feel anyone needs an AR-15 to hunt ducks, deer, quail, etc. I am not anti-gun at all. I understand the sport. I do believe in reasonable prevention and protection of human life.