At least 8 people shot & killed in Allen, TX mall today

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of regular Republican and Republican-leaning voters are in favor of some gun control measures. Not as many as Democrats but there’s less daylight there than you might think. They, too, have kids in school, they go to parties and events, they worry about their safety just as much. The politicians and the conservative judiciary are way out of step with the voters on the gun control issue and it’s becoming a huge problem.

No there is no daylight between the republican base and leadership on guns. That is the media spin. Republicans, conservatives and specially libertarians love the gun culture, gun violence and want more guns on the street.

Why do you think people vote republicans?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of regular Republican and Republican-leaning voters are in favor of some gun control measures. Not as many as Democrats but there’s less daylight there than you might think. They, too, have kids in school, they go to parties and events, they worry about their safety just as much. The politicians and the conservative judiciary are way out of step with the voters on the gun control issue and it’s becoming a huge problem.

Conservative voters are going to quickly learn that Republican elites don’t give AF about them, their kids, or their schools. Gerrymandering and a rigged judiciary ensure that these Republican elites won’t be dislodged from power, even if they lose elections. We told ya so.

Yep that’s the problem. People could vote for Democrats federally and for president to the point that they have a super majority in Congress but that’s still not enough. Because the state legislatures are gerrymandered to f*** to the point that states that are usually a slim to moderate R win for federal elections - 52-55% R - have R supermajorities at the state level, and THEN there’s the problem of these 35 year old Federalist Society/Heritage Foundation wackos getting a lifetime appointment to the highest courts so we’re stuck dealing with their decisions for easily 30+ years with no possibility for change. The book Democracy in Chains lays this out really, really well but is scary as hell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of regular Republican and Republican-leaning voters are in favor of some gun control measures. Not as many as Democrats but there’s less daylight there than you might think. They, too, have kids in school, they go to parties and events, they worry about their safety just as much. The politicians and the conservative judiciary are way out of step with the voters on the gun control issue and it’s becoming a huge problem.

I believe there are few but until those voters prioritize gun safety we won’t see changes. Right now owning the libs seems to be their priority.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are pictures on Twitter and people are saying we shouldn’t show them. Nah, people need to start seeing the consequences of their voting. These were people. So many lives impacted.

I saw the pics and I agree. One photo included a dead child. I dare any one of the gun humpers that will eventually end up on this thread to take a look at the photo that includes a bloodied dead child and come back and report on it.

Just like the anti abortion protestors carry those grotesque photo signs, maybe this should be the tactic to push for gun laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of regular Republican and Republican-leaning voters are in favor of some gun control measures. Not as many as Democrats but there’s less daylight there than you might think. They, too, have kids in school, they go to parties and events, they worry about their safety just as much. The politicians and the conservative judiciary are way out of step with the voters on the gun control issue and it’s becoming a huge problem.

No there is no daylight between the republican base and leadership on guns. That is the media spin. Republicans, conservatives and specially libertarians love the gun culture, gun violence and want more guns on the street.

Why do you think people vote republicans?

Nobody loves senseless violence. Stop being inflammatory. Just because someone doesn’t agree with your preferred policy response to a problem doesn’t mean that someone loves the outcome of the problem. Anti-prohibitionists don’t love alcohol-related deaths. Pro-choice people don’t love the need for millions of abortions. Anti-immigration enforcement advocates don’t love what is happening at the border or in our cities. Criminal Justice reform advocates don’t love the spike in crime. It’s a disagreement between two sides.

I graduated from high school in 1999. That was the year of Columbine. While it wasn’t the first school shooting, in part because of the video footage, it shocked us the most until Sandy Hook came along. Guns are a major problem, but they aren’t the only problem here. Clearly we have a bankrupt culture producing alienated individuals. Nobody has done anything to address that culture over nearly 25 years since Columbine. This tribalism and demonization of political opponents has led to the stalemate in the issue. I’m not finding the right words here, but Megyn Kelly had some tweets on the topic last night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did Texas LE run away again?

Actually, they ran towards the gunfire and neutralized him with a shot to the head.

Does not sound like a Texas LE. They normally run away. It’s a conservatives value.

Than a good guy with a gun. Take your pick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of regular Republican and Republican-leaning voters are in favor of some gun control measures. Not as many as Democrats but there’s less daylight there than you might think. They, too, have kids in school, they go to parties and events, they worry about their safety just as much. The politicians and the conservative judiciary are way out of step with the voters on the gun control issue and it’s becoming a huge problem.

Conservative voters are going to quickly learn that Republican elites don’t give AF about them, their kids, or their schools. Gerrymandering and a rigged judiciary ensure that these Republican elites won’t be dislodged from power, even if they lose elections. We told ya so.

Yep that’s the problem. People could vote for Democrats federally and for president to the point that they have a super majority in Congress but that’s still not enough. Because the state legislatures are gerrymandered to f*** to the point that states that are usually a slim to moderate R win for federal elections - 52-55% R - have R supermajorities at the state level, and THEN there’s the problem of these 35 year old Federalist Society/Heritage Foundation wackos getting a lifetime appointment to the highest courts so we’re stuck dealing with their decisions for easily 30+ years with no possibility for change. The book Democracy in Chains lays this out really, really well but is scary as hell.

NP. I’m pretty certain that if there are Democratic supermajorities and Democratic presidents that the lower courts and eventually the Supreme Court will change their tune on gun control/Second Amendment. Then, it won’t matter what a gerrymandered red state does.

[Anonymous]

I’m in Allen, TX. I was in the adjacent shopping center less than an hour before the shooting began. I was at a family bbq 1.5 miles from the outlet when it happened. Within minutes of it beginning, teens at the party were receiving texts with videos from friends at the outlet. Someone at the party was the first to receive a text from a relative in law enforcement who flagged the active shooter situation and told them to stay away.

FTR, I’m a DC metro area native who was just in town for a visit. My relative hosting me in TX is a transplant who has lived her for 10+ years. This area is affluent and purple with a growing transplant community from CA, IL, and the East Coast. This is not a conservative bastion of gun nuts.

I think it’s interesting how some deflect the reality of violence off on “other communities.” We have shootings in the dc metro area, too. I’m not sure what the solution is when so many weapons are already in the community—in all communities…including those with strict gun laws.

I suspect we will learn the shooter was a loner with mental health issues. Perhaps we need more focus on how to flag and intervene when there are concerns about such people? Slippery slope.

FTR, I’m for the strictest gun control measures. I’m just not optimistic they will actually prevent tragic events like this. Crazy angry people intent on murdering people will always find a way. What strategies will work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are pictures on Twitter and people are saying we shouldn’t show them. Nah, people need to start seeing the consequences of their voting. These were people. So many lives impacted.

I saw the pics and I agree. One photo included a dead child. I dare any one of the gun humpers that will eventually end up on this thread to take a look at the photo that includes a bloodied dead child and come back and report on it.

Just like the anti abortion protestors carry those grotesque photo signs, maybe this should be the tactic to push for gun laws.

I agree

[Anonymous]

This man say that it took him about 5 min to get to the scene where he called 911. So police wasn’t there yet. And it took even longer for ambulances to show up so the injured were loaded to the police cars to be take to a hospital. Do you consider it as a swift response?

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/man-witnessed-allen-outlet-mall-shooting/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This man say that it took him about 5 min to get to the scene where he called 911. So police wasn’t there yet. And it took even longer for ambulances to show up so the injured were loaded to the police cars to be take to a hospital. Do you consider it as a swift response?

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/man-witnessed-allen-outlet-mall-shooting/

The layperson is guesstimating. A police officer arrived fairly quickly and minimized the body count by taking action. A shooter can kill tons of people quickly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This man say that it took him about 5 min to get to the scene where he called 911. So police wasn’t there yet. And it took even longer for ambulances to show up so the injured were loaded to the police cars to be take to a hospital. Do you consider it as a swift response?

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/man-witnessed-allen-outlet-mall-shooting/

The layperson is guesstimating. A police officer arrived fairly quickly and minimized the body count by taking action. A shooter can kill tons of people quickly.

Actually, I've read two different versions of who took out the shooter. One said it was an off-duty cop who was in the mall, and the other said it was a cop who was in the mall on another call.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guns are a major problem, but they aren’t the only problem here. Clearly we have a bankrupt culture producing alienated individuals. Nobody has done anything to address that culture over nearly 25 years since Columbine.

I don’t disagree that people, particularly young men, need purpose so they don’t succumb to nihilism, despair, and mass violence. They also need to mature faster & be taught that honor culture is irresponsible trash.

But I wonder how big a role alienation plays in this mass violence. Are American boys & young men more alienated than their counterparts everywhere else on earth where they don’t have this level of violence?

[Anonymous]

The militia needs more regulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are pictures on Twitter and people are saying we shouldn’t show them. Nah, people need to start seeing the consequences of their voting. These were people. So many lives impacted.

I saw the pics and I agree. One photo included a dead child. I dare any one of the gun humpers that will eventually end up on this thread to take a look at the photo that includes a bloodied dead child and come back and report on it.

Just like the anti abortion protestors carry those grotesque photo signs, maybe this should be the tactic to push for gun laws.

I agree

+100. One of the witnesses who was among the first to run to assist the victims said: " "The first girl I walked up to was crouched down covering her head in the bushes, so I felt for a pulse, pulled her head to the side and she had no face." Let that sink in.