At least 8 people shot & killed in Allen, TX mall today

[Anonymous]

I am not copying the previous conversation in order to save space (just like you PP). But I would like you to respond to this comment that you made. I have heard that Texans do not feel like they are part of America so this intrigues me.

I never said that Texans do not feel like they are part of America. I said that many Texans feel like they (i.e., these Texans) are living the way all Americans should (i.e., based on fundamental American principles.) Also, I did not say I agreed with this idea. I only said I believe that this is how this group feels.

I would also like to know why they think there is a way that the rest of America should live (and why that is "their way"). It just sounds very antithetical to fundamental American beliefs. I feel like you will not respond to your comment, but interested as this kind of sentiment will not lead to compromise or even the possibility of compromise.

You must be explicit about what you are advancing as "their way." What sounds antithetical? Specifically, if they believe they have a right to keep and bear arms and that any abridgment of that right is un-American. Why would they compromise what is to them a fundamental American right?

As a practical matter, I also grew up around hunting and guns. However, I do not feel anyone needs an AR-15 to hunt ducks, deer, quail, etc. I am not anti-gun at all. I understand the sport. I do believe in reasonable prevention and protection of human life.

You are not responding to my main point. You feel that no one should own an AR-15. They feel it is slippery to ban one type of firearm from banning all types.

My point was that if the government attempts to ban certain types of firearms, it will not be to enforce this ban in places like South Texas.

The original poster said it (meaning this issue) will get worse. I agree.

You can post on this board about how people do not need to own AR-15 to reasonably protect their lives. I understand and agree.

Tell me what you can do other than post about it? Do you think the government can enforce a national gun ban? What do you think will happen when it tries to people's homes in Allen and seize their property?

[Anonymous]

What lawsuit was this and how has it helped reduce gun sales?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/nyregion/s...lies-settlement.html10

U.S. Bought Almost 20 Million Guns Last Year (2021) — Second-Highest Year On Record.

See: https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2022/01/05/us-bought-almost-20-million-guns-last-year---second-highest-year-on-record/?sh=4235596513bb

Please try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I am not copying the previous conversation in order to save space (just like you PP). But I would like you to respond to this comment that you made. I have heard that Texans do not feel like they are part of America so this intrigues me.

I never said that Texans do not feel like they are part of America. I said that many Texans feel like they (i.e., these Texans) are living the way all Americans should (i.e., based on fundamental American principles.) Also, I did not say I agreed with this idea. I only said I believe that this is how this group feels.

I would also like to know why they think there is a way that the rest of America should live (and why that is "their way"). It just sounds very antithetical to fundamental American beliefs. I feel like you will not respond to your comment, but interested as this kind of sentiment will not lead to compromise or even the possibility of compromise.

You must be explicit about what you are advancing as "their way." What sounds antithetical? Specifically, if they believe they have a right to keep and bear arms and that any abridgment of that right is un-American. Why would they compromise what is to them a fundamental American right?

As a practical matter, I also grew up around hunting and guns. However, I do not feel anyone needs an AR-15 to hunt ducks, deer, quail, etc. I am not anti-gun at all. I understand the sport. I do believe in reasonable prevention and protection of human life.

You are not responding to my main point. You feel that no one should own an AR-15. They feel it is slippery to ban one type of firearm from banning all types.

My point was that if the government attempts to ban certain types of firearms, it will not be to enforce this ban in places like South Texas.

The original poster said it (meaning this issue) will get worse. I agree.

You can post on this board about how people do not need to own AR-15 to reasonably protect their lives. I understand and agree.

Tell me what you can do other than post about it? Do you think the government can enforce a national gun ban? What do you think will happen when it tries to people's homes in Allen and seize their property?

DP... the AWB worked. Mass shootings decreased significantly. And as soon as the AWB expired, mass shootings shot back up. That's just a fact. No amount of "it won't work, it's pointless, it's wrong" will change the data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I am not copying the previous conversation in order to save space (just like you PP). But I would like you to respond to this comment that you made. I have heard that Texans do not feel like they are part of America so this intrigues me.

I never said that Texans do not feel like they are part of America. I said that many Texans feel like they (i.e., these Texans) are living the way all Americans should (i.e., based on fundamental American principles.) Also, I did not say I agreed with this idea. I only said I believe that this is how this group feels.

I would also like to know why they think there is a way that the rest of America should live (and why that is "their way"). It just sounds very antithetical to fundamental American beliefs. I feel like you will not respond to your comment, but interested as this kind of sentiment will not lead to compromise or even the possibility of compromise.

You must be explicit about what you are advancing as "their way." What sounds antithetical? Specifically, if they believe they have a right to keep and bear arms and that any abridgment of that right is un-American. Why would they compromise what is to them a fundamental American right?

As a practical matter, I also grew up around hunting and guns. However, I do not feel anyone needs an AR-15 to hunt ducks, deer, quail, etc. I am not anti-gun at all. I understand the sport. I do believe in reasonable prevention and protection of human life.

You are not responding to my main point. You feel that no one should own an AR-15. They feel it is slippery to ban one type of firearm from banning all types.

My point was that if the government attempts to ban certain types of firearms, it will not be to enforce this ban in places like South Texas.

The original poster said it (meaning this issue) will get worse. I agree.

You can post on this board about how people do not need to own AR-15 to reasonably protect their lives. I understand and agree.

Tell me what you can do other than post about it? Do you think the government can enforce a national gun ban? What do you think will happen when it tries to people's homes in Allen and seize their property?

DP... the AWB worked. Mass shootings decreased significantly. And as soon as the AWB expired, mass shootings shot back up. That's just a fact. No amount of "it won't work, it's pointless, it's wrong" will change the data.

Wow, you sound no better than a Republican talking about the correlation between fatherlessness & being a mass shooter. Were you ever taught about the difference between correlation & causation?

[Anonymous]

Fascinating to see the steady drop in violent crime while MSI's increase:




IMHO, it's availability + access to Internet that inspires copycats & extremist ideologies.

[Anonymous]

Well, "first guy on the ground" lied:

"Mr. Spainhouer arrived between 3:44 and 3:52 p.m. and was not first on the scene, nor was he on the property while gunfire was occurring," the department said, adding that Spainhouer "did not perform Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) or administer first aid" and "did not move a deceased mother who was covering a live child."

[Anonymous]

IMHO, it's availability + access to Internet that inspires copycats & extremist ideologies.

I am the PP from 14:13 above. I would love to see an AWB work. I would not risk my life to enforce it in Brownsville in 2023. However, it does have merit. I would risk my life to protect other rights (like those lost for women in this area) and I believe action for these rights has much more widespread support there.

I suggest a national, unfunded (at the federal level) mandate to increase school security. I am comfortable that most Texans would spend the money to make this work (including installing most of the perimeter security measures found around sensitive government buildings around schools).

The advantage: the focus on increasing security does not focus on individual gun rights. Instead, the cost of the program would encourage point-of-sale checks, etc., as a way of reducing the cost.

The disadvantage: this idea does nothing for non-school areas (like malls, etc.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, "first guy on the ground" lied:

"Mr. Spainhouer arrived between 3:44 and 3:52 p.m. and was not first on the scene, nor was he on the property while gunfire was occurring," the department said, adding that Spainhouer "did not perform Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation (CPR) or administer first aid" and "did not move a deceased mother who was covering a live child."

It boggles my mind that Allen PD want to pick this fight. Sounds like meddling from the Governor’s office, just like they did in Uvalde:

From the witness’s FB, he came with receipts:

I have seen the Allen Police Department press release about me. I am hurt and disappointed.

First of all, I have never said I heard gunshots at the Allen Outlet Mall. When I arrived at the H&M store, there was one person there asking for my help. If there were other first responders there before I showed up, I would have no way of knowing it. If the Allen Police were at the mall before me, I would have no way to know it, because they were not at the H&M Store location where most of the shooting victims were located.

I know what I did and did not do while waiting on the Allen Police and Fire Departments. I know that there were individuals who were deceased and could not be treated with CPR. I know because I was there.

I did not move any victims, except the first one I found to check on her. A small child pulled himself from under a victim and I assisted him to a safe space away from the area.

Freddie called me at 3:36pm that Saturday, telling me he was sheltering in place because there was a shooting, in his place of employment at H&M and that’s why I went to the mall.

According to the Allen Press release, I got to the Allen Outlet Mall between 3:44pm and 3:52pm. That’s between 8 minutes and 16 minutes after Freddie’s call to me.

I didn’t see a police car or ambulance for another 5-6 minutes, even though I asked for help using a witness cell phone. That’s a little over 20 minutes since the shooting started, that victims lay injured or dying in front of H&M Store.

Instead of targeting me on what I did or didn’t do, perhaps the Allen Police can explain why it took 20 minutes to get to the front of the H&M store, where there were injured victims, if they were already on site, before I got there.

The Allen Police interviewed our son, Freddie, when they interviewed me last week. He told me they asked why he dropped out of college. He told them he graduated from UNT. They asked him about medicines he might be on. He refused to tell them.

Freddie was in the H&M Store when the gunman tried to enter it, shooting. He sheltered in place with coworkers and shoppers, and an injured passerby. He did his job and did it well.

I am simply at a loss for words. Freddie was a hero in my eyes, and then gets questioned by the Allen Police.

We have had happier days.

[Anonymous]

It’s interesting how wealthy suburban schools see not having metal detectors, uniforms or requiring clear backpacks as a badge of honor. It’s not, when you realize where most school shootings have occurred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I am not copying the previous conversation in order to save space (just like you PP). But I would like you to respond to this comment that you made. I have heard that Texans do not feel like they are part of America so this intrigues me.

I never said that Texans do not feel like they are part of America. I said that many Texans feel like they (i.e., these Texans) are living the way all Americans should (i.e., based on fundamental American principles.) Also, I did not say I agreed with this idea. I only said I believe that this is how this group feels.

I would also like to know why they think there is a way that the rest of America should live (and why that is "their way"). It just sounds very antithetical to fundamental American beliefs. I feel like you will not respond to your comment, but interested as this kind of sentiment will not lead to compromise or even the possibility of compromise.

You must be explicit about what you are advancing as "their way." What sounds antithetical? Specifically, if they believe they have a right to keep and bear arms and that any abridgment of that right is un-American. Why would they compromise what is to them a fundamental American right?

As a practical matter, I also grew up around hunting and guns. However, I do not feel anyone needs an AR-15 to hunt ducks, deer, quail, etc. I am not anti-gun at all. I understand the sport. I do believe in reasonable prevention and protection of human life.

You are not responding to my main point. You feel that no one should own an AR-15. They feel it is slippery to ban one type of firearm from banning all types.

My point was that if the government attempts to ban certain types of firearms, it will not be to enforce this ban in places like South Texas.

The original poster said it (meaning this issue) will get worse. I agree.

You can post on this board about how people do not need to own AR-15 to reasonably protect their lives. I understand and agree.

Tell me what you can do other than post about it? Do you think the government can enforce a national gun ban? What do you think will happen when it tries to people's homes in Allen and seize their property?

DP... the AWB worked. Mass shootings decreased significantly. And as soon as the AWB expired, mass shootings shot back up. That's just a fact. No amount of "it won't work, it's pointless, it's wrong" will change the data.

Wow, you sound no better than a Republican talking about the correlation between fatherlessness & being a mass shooter. Were you ever taught about the difference between correlation & causation?

You sound like you don't understand that LE is afraid to take on these weapons. Uvalde is the end of the good guy with a gun bullcrap. We will get rid of them if we don't want them. Too bad NRA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Allen, TX. I was in the adjacent shopping center less than an hour before the shooting began. I was at a family bbq 1.5 miles from the outlet when it happened. Within minutes of it beginning, teens at the party were receiving texts with videos from friends at the outlet. Someone at the party was the first to receive a text from a relative in law enforcement who flagged the active shooter situation and told them to stay away.

FTR, I’m a DC metro area native who was just in town for a visit. My relative hosting me in TX is a transplant who has lived her for 10+ years. This area is affluent and purple with a growing transplant community from CA, IL, and the East Coast. This is not a conservative bastion of gun nuts.

I think it’s interesting how some deflect the reality of violence off on “other communities.” We have shootings in the dc metro area, too. I’m not sure what the solution is when so many weapons are already in the community—in all communities…including those with strict gun laws.

I suspect we will learn the shooter was a loner with mental health issues. Perhaps we need more focus on how to flag and intervene when there are concerns about such people? Slippery slope.

FTR, I’m for the strictest gun control measures. I’m just not optimistic they will actually prevent tragic events like this. Crazy angry people intent on murdering people will always find a way. What strategies will work?

Why isn’t anyone ever addressing the source of the rage in killers?

What rage do our mass shooters have that's not present in all of the other countries that don't have anything like this level of problem?

You believe no country in Central or South America has a massive killing problem?

In Central and South American countries the government act after a massacre. They would arrest the gun shop owners, NRA members and eliminate groups like the Proud Boys, federalist society. They certainly would not allow a front organization like Republican Party to operate.

Exactly which country is that? Fewer Americans are going even to Mexico these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s interesting how wealthy suburban schools see not having metal detectors, uniforms or requiring clear backpacks as a badge of honor. It’s not, when you realize where most school shootings have occurred.

Bingo.

[Anonymous]

Texas:

Sonic employee confronts guy for pissing in the parking lot, 12-year-old jumps out of the car with an AR-15 and blows Sonic employee away.

[Anonymous]

Texas: Sonic employee confronts guy for pissing in the parking lot, 12-year-old jumps out of the car with an AR-15 and blows Sonic employee away.

1) It is awful these people killed someone for doing their job. The 12-year-old is lucky in that if he was an adult and his trial was in Johnson County, he would get the needle or live in Huntsville prison (which is likely worse.)

2) How many others in Keene, TX have guns and are ready to use them if someone comes to take them away? My bet, lots and lots.

3) Whataburger food is way better than Sonic food. That guy should have gone to Whataburger. Then, he could have had a great meal before he and his kid go to jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Texas: Sonic employee confronts guy for pissing in the parking lot, 12-year-old jumps out of the car with an AR-15 and blows Sonic employee away.

1) It is awful these people killed someone for doing their job. The 12-year-old is lucky in that if he was an adult and his trial was in Johnson County, he would get the needle or live in Huntsville prison (which is likely worse.)

2) How many others in Keene, TX have guns and are ready to use them if someone comes to take them away? My bet, lots and lots.

3) Whataburger food is way better than Sonic food. That guy should have gone to Whataburger. Then, he could have had a great meal before he and his kid go to jail.

People should keep that in mind when they say things like, “we should house migrants in rural low-cost areas instead of expensive major cities.”