Virginia Tech SAT Scores

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It’s like great schools and their equity rankings. because some small number of URMs get bad grades, the schools score drops. How do you fix that? Lower your standards.

What are you on about? Please share a link to support this dribble. PP is correct that VT's stats have improved. I have a kid in HS & most understand the days of high stat kids using VT as a safety are over. The acceptance rate dropped from something in the 70s to 56 in 2-3 classes. But, VT isn't unique in that trend as we're seeing the same at schools like Clemson and Auburn. People complaining just aren't paying attention to the current admissions climate. Popular schools are seeing a record number of applications from qualified students.

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It’s like great schools and their equity rankings. because some small number of URMs get bad grades, the schools score drops. How do you fix that? Lower your standards.

What are you on about? Please share a link to support this dribble. PP is correct that VT's stats have improved. I have a kid in HS & most understand the days of high stat kids using VT as a safety are over. The acceptance rate dropped from something in the 70s to 56 in 2-3 classes. But, VT isn't unique in that trend as we're seeing the same at schools like Clemson and Auburn. People complaining just aren't paying attention to the current admissions climate. Popular schools are seeing a record number of applications from qualified students.

Both Clemson and VaTech just moved to common app in last year or two. For parents with younger kids, I’d continue to expect significant year,y declines in acceptance rates for that reason allow for the next few years.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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Anonymous wrote:Would you go test optional with a 1230 SAT and 3.7 w GPA?

wow it's so inflated these days back in my day 3.3 GPA and 1100 would be a solid score for VT engineering

Sure, Jan.

Actually yes. VTs average SAT in my day was 1030

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

+1. When you look at VT in our high school Naviance it starkly stands out from other local schools (UVA, W&M, UMD, Mason, VCU etc). The academic stats for admissions and rejections are right on top of each other for VT with many high stat outlier rejections - it looks almost like a complete crapshoot. With all the other schools there is a clear pattern of what academic level is likely to gain admission - sure there are some outliers but nothing remotely like VT. It is disappointing that Virginia students get fairer, more transparent consideration at UMD and a number of other good OOS schools then they do at VT. Why can UMD manage an entering class without ED and without yield protection while VT has to play all these games.

When you see a Christmas tree in the top right - THAT’S yield management. I mean, why would Va Tech accept 1550+ valedictorian English majors that they know would never attend such a school?

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

The Median SAT at VT is only 1290-1300 - only about 30-40 points higher than George Mason. And VT has a substantial number of ENGR majors boosting that median.

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Every year, NOVA parents scoff in the fall how VT is kind of beneath their kid ("we applied as a safety") and then they are shocked -- shocked I tell you! -- when they find admittance can actually be quite competitive now.

How dare VT turn down my kid! Virginia needs an in-state flagship option, but no one should expect UVA to admit more of the rabble, oh no, no, no! UVA is entitled to have a 23% admittance rate and deny tons of talented students in Virginia, but VT should remain easy to get into, but selective at the same time if my kid gets in so it looks good!

It's the same every year.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

Selective admissions.

Accepting over half your applicants (particularly OOS) is hardly “selective”

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

The reality is exactly the opposite. Parents of kids who aren't accepted tell themselves it must be because of "yield protection" or "games." Their narrative is that their child was so qualified, that's the only possible explanation for their rejection. It's really pretty pathetic.
DP

+1 And paying VA taxes has noting to do with being qualified to attend VT.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

The reality is exactly the opposite. Parents of kids who aren't accepted tell themselves it must be because of "yield protection" or "games." Their narrative is that their child was so qualified, that's the only possible explanation for their rejection. It's really pretty pathetic.
DP

So happy DS did not apply. You tech supporters are insufferable. The once proud football program...

Not sure what football has to do with anything, but ok. Keep stewing.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

The reality is exactly the opposite. Parents of kids who aren't accepted tell themselves it must be because of "yield protection" or "games." Their narrative is that their child was so qualified, that's the only possible explanation for their rejection. It's really pretty pathetic.
DP

+1 And paying VA taxes has noting to do with being qualified to attend VT.

But it should...

DP. And do you feel that way about all the other VA schools? That your kid is entitled to attend them simply because you’re VA residents?

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

I think it’s funny that the Virginia posters complaining about VT often comment on their admission to MD from oos. Clearly MD also takes a lot of oos students.

[b]Exactly! They don’t even grasp the disconnect in their “logic.”

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The "logic" is pretty clear. A few years back VT brought in admissions consultants to help them assess how to climb the USNWR charts. The result is what you see. Also, Tech's President TIm Sands said he wanted the university to be 40% URM and Students of Color. He achieved this by 2022.[b] https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. What does that do? It catapults VT up the USNWR charts. How do you do this? You yield protect and select more URM and first generations. So, if you are URM or first generation you are going to get a big boost in admissions. If you are Asian American and a great student at TJ, forget it. We've seen this for the last four or five years. That's why there is a "disconnect" and reporting is all over the board.

This was killer for the white kids the past few years. Kids with very high scores and gpas who never would have been rejected in past cycles.

Right, right. Meanwhile, VT is 60% white (including my own kid). Get over yourself.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

I guess a 3.4 UW today is like a 3.0 when I was a kid. When I was in HS maybe 5% of the class had an A average and out of 500 kids only 2 had a perfect 4.0. Today 1/3 of my kids class has a 4.0.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

I think it’s funny that the Virginia posters complaining about VT often comment on their admission to MD from oos. Clearly MD also takes a lot of oos students.

Exactly! They don’t even grasp the disconnect in their “logic.”

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The "logic" is pretty clear. A few years back VT brought in admissions consultants to help them assess how to climb the USNWR charts. The result is what you see. Also, Tech's President TIm Sands said he wanted the university to be 40% URM and Students of Color. He achieved this by 2022. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. What does that do? It catapults VT up the USNWR charts. How do you do this? You yield protect and select more URM and first generations. So, if you are URM or first generation you are going to get a big boost in admissions. If you are Asian American and a great student at TJ, forget it. We've seen this for the last four or five years. That's why there is a "disconnect" and reporting is all over the board.

I noticed this meteoric rise as well. They sat in the 70s forever. Now all of the sudden they are up 13 spots.

USNews changed their ranking criteria in 2018/19. VT president focuses on meeting the new ranking measures and their ranking improves.

In a selectivity based approach schools don’t move much because the top tier school trickles down the merit based applicants and so movement doesn’t change much, but with these measures, you just change your own admissions criteria and boom, you can change your ranking quickly.

It’s like great schools and their equity rankings. because some small number of URMs get bad grades, the schools score drops. How do you fix that? Lower your standards.

Yet Tech’s stats have increased.

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The narrative these parents are trying to create is so sad. They can’t seem to come to terms with their kids simply not being accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

Selective admissions.

Accepting over half your applicants (particularly OOS) is hardly “selective”

VaTech has gotten weird. I know so many high-stats, well-rounded kids rejected by Tech. Maybe they're thinking the unpredictability will give them cache. Also, I think we are underestimating the impact of test-optional and need to catch up to the fact that previous definitions of "merit" don't bear the same weight.