Virginia Tech SAT Scores

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

VT's average is 4.4W

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It’s like great schools and their equity rankings. because some small number of URMs get bad grades, the schools score drops. How do you fix that? Lower your standards.

What are you on about? Please share a link to support this dribble. PP is correct that VT's stats have improved. I have a kid in HS & most understand the days of high stat kids using VT as a safety are over. The acceptance rate dropped from something in the 70s to 56 in 2-3 classes. But, VT isn't unique in that trend as we're seeing the same at schools like Clemson and Auburn. People complaining just aren't paying attention to the current admissions climate. Popular schools are seeing a record number of applications from qualified students.

THIS. But for some reason, they’re extra bitter about VT. So bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

That’s not at all what the previous post was claiming.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you go test optional with a 1230 SAT and 3.7 w GPA?

wow it's so inflated these days back in my day 3.3 GPA and 1100 would be a solid score for VT engineering

Sure, Jan.

Actually yes. VTs average SAT in my day was 1030

This is not 1980 anymore. Catch up.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

+1. When you look at VT in our high school Naviance it starkly stands out from other local schools (UVA, W&M, UMD, Mason, VCU etc). The academic stats for admissions and rejections are right on top of each other for VT with many high stat outlier rejections - it looks almost like a complete crapshoot. With all the other schools there is a clear pattern of what academic level is likely to gain admission - sure there are some outliers but nothing remotely like VT. It is disappointing that Virginia students get fairer, more transparent consideration at UMD and a number of other good OOS schools then they do at VT. Why can UMD manage an entering class without ED and without yield protection while VT has to play all these games.

When you see a Christmas tree in the top right - THAT’S yield management. I mean, why would Va Tech accept 1550+ valedictorian English majors that they know would never attend such a school?

DP. So curious how you think you know what majors these applicants have. Oh, and btw - my DC is indeed an English and Russian double major at VT and had top stats when applying from high school. Maybe you really don’t have any clue what you’re talking about. Something to consider.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

+1. When you look at VT in our high school Naviance it starkly stands out from other local schools (UVA, W&M, UMD, Mason, VCU etc). The academic stats for admissions and rejections are right on top of each other for VT with many high stat outlier rejections - it looks almost like a complete crapshoot. With all the other schools there is a clear pattern of what academic level is likely to gain admission - sure there are some outliers but nothing remotely like VT. It is disappointing that Virginia students get fairer, more transparent consideration at UMD and a number of other good OOS schools then they do at VT. Why can UMD manage an entering class without ED and without yield protection while VT has to play all these games.

When you see a Christmas tree in the top right - THAT’S yield management. I mean, why would Va Tech accept 1550+ valedictorian English majors that they know would never attend such a school?

DP. So curious how you think you know what majors these applicants have. Oh, and btw - my DC is indeed an English and Russian double major at VT and had top stats when applying from high school. Maybe you really don’t have any clue what you’re talking about. Something to consider.

Couldn't get into UVA or W&M?

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

Selective admissions.

Accepting over half your applicants (particularly OOS) is hardly “selective”

VaTech has gotten weird. I know so many high-stats, well-rounded kids rejected by Tech. Maybe they're thinking the unpredictability will give them cache. Also, I think we are underestimating the impact of test-optional and need to catch up to the fact that previous definitions of "merit" don't bear the same weight.

Or maybe - just possibly - there are far more highly qualified kids applying for the same amount of seats. Using the Common App has vastly increased applications. Now “merit” means your kid has to compete with thousands of others just like him. Buckle up.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

+1. When you look at VT in our high school Naviance it starkly stands out from other local schools (UVA, W&M, UMD, Mason, VCU etc). The academic stats for admissions and rejections are right on top of each other for VT with many high stat outlier rejections - it looks almost like a complete crapshoot. With all the other schools there is a clear pattern of what academic level is likely to gain admission - sure there are some outliers but nothing remotely like VT. It is disappointing that Virginia students get fairer, more transparent consideration at UMD and a number of other good OOS schools then they do at VT. Why can UMD manage an entering class without ED and without yield protection while VT has to play all these games.

When you see a Christmas tree in the top right - THAT’S yield management. I mean, why would Va Tech accept 1550+ valedictorian English majors that they know would never attend such a school?

DP. So curious how you think you know what majors these applicants have. Oh, and btw - my DC is indeed an English and Russian double major at VT and had top stats when applying from high school. Maybe you really don’t have any clue what you’re talking about. Something to consider.

Couldn't get into UVA or W&M?

Applied ED to VT as that was her first choice school. Very turned off by both UVA and W&M, for different reasons. Nice try, though!

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

Selective admissions.

Accepting over half your applicants (particularly OOS) is hardly “selective”

Therapy may be in order if you can’t manage to move on.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

+1. When you look at VT in our high school Naviance it starkly stands out from other local schools (UVA, W&M, UMD, Mason, VCU etc). The academic stats for admissions and rejections are right on top of each other for VT with many high stat outlier rejections - it looks almost like a complete crapshoot. With all the other schools there is a clear pattern of what academic level is likely to gain admission - sure there are some outliers but nothing remotely like VT. It is disappointing that Virginia students get fairer, more transparent consideration at UMD and a number of other good OOS schools then they do at VT. Why can UMD manage an entering class without ED and without yield protection while VT has to play all these games.

When you see a Christmas tree in the top right - THAT’S yield management. I mean, why would Va Tech accept 1550+ valedictorian English majors that they know would never attend such a school?

DP. So curious how you think you know what majors these applicants have. Oh, and btw - my DC is indeed an English and Russian double major at VT and had top stats when applying from high school. Maybe you really don’t have any clue what you’re talking about. Something to consider.

Couldn't get into UVA or W&M?

Applied ED to VT as that was her first choice school. Very turned off by both UVA and W&M, for different reasons. Nice try, though!

PP, just messing with you. Maintaining the "toxicity" of the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Every year, NOVA parents scoff in the fall how VT is kind of beneath their kid ("we applied as a safety") and then they are shocked -- shocked I tell you! -- when they find admittance can actually be quite competitive now.

How dare VT turn down my kid! Virginia needs an in-state flagship option, but no one should expect UVA to admit more of the rabble, oh no, no, no! UVA is entitled to have a 23% admittance rate and deny tons of talented students in Virginia, but VT should remain easy to get into, but selective at the same time if my kid gets in so it looks good!

It's the same every year.

From what I can read in these threads, no one is saying VT should remain easy to get into, rather that--holding everything else constant-- it should be easier for a student to get into with higher grades and higher SAT scores than not.

My kid didn't apply to VT (she's more a W&M/SLAC type) but I can look at her school's Naviance profile and see the discrepancy: For VT- there's a cluster of more red dots in the upper right hand corner of the Naviance profile showing that for at least the past 3 years of data, kids with high GPA and high SATs are more likely to be rejected from VT than those with slightly lower GPAs and SATs. This is in contrast to UVA where there's a steady line at about the top 5% of the class that gets admitted, and W&M where there's a cluster of green at the right corner showing that higher GPA and higher SATs consistently are more likely to be admitted.
So people complain about likely yield protection. Of course SOME kids get in with all kinds of different scores, but the pattern is pretty consistent and needs explaining. I don't think a public school should engage in yield protection for in-state students: admit the strongest students and don't worry about whether they will attend or not. So why are there MORE rejections of high stat kids than of middle stat kids in our Naviance profile for VT? If it were just "VT cares about more than stats" it should be more evenly distributed acceptances and rejections at the different GPAs/SATs.

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Anonymous wrote:Every year, NOVA parents scoff in the fall how VT is kind of beneath their kid ("we applied as a safety") and then they are shocked -- shocked I tell you! -- when they find admittance can actually be quite competitive now.

How dare VT turn down my kid! Virginia needs an in-state flagship option, but no one should expect UVA to admit more of the rabble, oh no, no, no! UVA is entitled to have a 23% admittance rate and deny tons of talented students in Virginia, but VT should remain easy to get into, but selective at the same time if my kid gets in so it looks good!

It's the same every year.

From what I can read in these threads, no one is saying VT should remain easy to get into, rather that--holding everything else constant-- it should be easier for a student to get into with higher grades and higher SAT scores than not.

My kid didn't apply to VT (she's more a W&M/SLAC type) but I can look at her school's Naviance profile and see the discrepancy: For VT- there's a cluster of more red dots in the upper right hand corner of the Naviance profile showing that for at least the past 3 years of data, kids with high GPA and high SATs are more likely to be rejected from VT than those with slightly lower GPAs and SATs. This is in contrast to UVA where there's a steady line at about the top 5% of the class that gets admitted, and W&M where there's a cluster of green at the right corner showing that higher GPA and higher SATs consistently are more likely to be admitted.
So people complain about likely yield protection. Of course SOME kids get in with all kinds of different scores, but the pattern is pretty consistent and needs explaining. I don't think a public school should engage in yield protection for in-state students: admit the strongest students and don't worry about whether they will attend or not. So why are there MORE rejections of high stat kids than of middle stat kids in our Naviance profile for VT? If it were just "VT cares about more than stats" it should be more evenly distributed acceptances and rejections at the different GPAs/SATs.

Rational and detailed. Unfortunately VT boosters will respond with, "entitled", "apply elsewhere", etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Every year, NOVA parents scoff in the fall how VT is kind of beneath their kid ("we applied as a safety") and then they are shocked -- shocked I tell you! -- when they find admittance can actually be quite competitive now.

How dare VT turn down my kid! Virginia needs an in-state flagship option, but no one should expect UVA to admit more of the rabble, oh no, no, no! UVA is entitled to have a 23% admittance rate and deny tons of talented students in Virginia, but VT should remain easy to get into, but selective at the same time if my kid gets in so it looks good!

It's the same every year.

From what I can read in these threads, no one is saying VT should remain easy to get into, rather that--holding everything else constant-- it should be easier for a student to get into with higher grades and higher SAT scores than not.

My kid didn't apply to VT (she's more a W&M/SLAC type) but I can look at her school's Naviance profile and see the discrepancy: For VT- there's a cluster of more red dots in the upper right hand corner of the Naviance profile showing that for at least the past 3 years of data, kids with high GPA and high SATs are more likely to be rejected from VT than those with slightly lower GPAs and SATs. This is in contrast to UVA where there's a steady line at about the top 5% of the class that gets admitted, and W&M where there's a cluster of green at the right corner showing that higher GPA and higher SATs consistently are more likely to be admitted.
So people complain about likely yield protection. Of course SOME kids get in with all kinds of different scores, but the pattern is pretty consistent and needs explaining. I don't think a public school should engage in yield protection for in-state students: admit the strongest students and don't worry about whether they will attend or not. So why are there MORE rejections of high stat kids than of middle stat kids in our Naviance profile for VT? If it were just "VT cares about more than stats" it should be more evenly distributed acceptances and rejections at the different GPAs/SATs.

VT does not owe folks an explanation regarding its process nor is anyone entitled to such info. As others have said, nobody is demanding admission or explanations from other similarly selective schools.

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Amen!!! There is no rational reasoning to explain it.

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Anonymous wrote:Every year, NOVA parents scoff in the fall how VT is kind of beneath their kid ("we applied as a safety") and then they are shocked -- shocked I tell you! -- when they find admittance can actually be quite competitive now.

How dare VT turn down my kid! Virginia needs an in-state flagship option, but no one should expect UVA to admit more of the rabble, oh no, no, no! UVA is entitled to have a 23% admittance rate and deny tons of talented students in Virginia, but VT should remain easy to get into, but selective at the same time if my kid gets in so it looks good!

It's the same every year.

From what I can read in these threads, no one is saying VT should remain easy to get into, rather that--holding everything else constant-- it should be easier for a student to get into with higher grades and higher SAT scores than not.

My kid didn't apply to VT (she's more a W&M/SLAC type) but I can look at her school's Naviance profile and see the discrepancy: For VT- there's a cluster of more red dots in the upper right hand corner of the Naviance profile showing that for at least the past 3 years of data, kids with high GPA and high SATs are more likely to be rejected from VT than those with slightly lower GPAs and SATs. This is in contrast to UVA where there's a steady line at about the top 5% of the class that gets admitted, and W&M where there's a cluster of green at the right corner showing that higher GPA and higher SATs consistently are more likely to be admitted.
So people complain about likely yield protection. Of course SOME kids get in with all kinds of different scores, but the pattern is pretty consistent and needs explaining. I don't think a public school should engage in yield protection for in-state students: admit the strongest students and don't worry about whether they will attend or not. So why are there MORE rejections of high stat kids than of middle stat kids in our Naviance profile for VT? If it were just "VT cares about more than stats" it should be more evenly distributed acceptances and rejections at the different GPAs/SATs.

VT does not owe folks an explanation regarding its process nor is anyone entitled to such info. As others have said, nobody is demanding admission or explanations from other similarly selective schools.

Because they have patterns that are consistent with being selective.