Virginia Tech SAT Scores

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

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UCs *kinda * do this.

I think VT might put the brakes on the transparency efforts.

Is VT even aware of how infuriating data can be to donut hole MC parents who pay Virginia taxes for years and anticipate that their STEM star student child will get into the Commonwealth’s POLYTECHNIC?

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

Pretty much every selective college in the country will have examples of high stats kids being rejected and lower stat kids being accepted.

My own child was accepted to Tech with a 1500 for a non-engineering major so I don’t believe there is a grand conspiracy against students with higher test scores, and I know for a fact there were kids with lower stats that were accepted at other schools where she was rejected. Acceptances today are predicated on a whole range of factors. Even the top kid at our academically rigorous high school did not get into some of the schools she applied to this year, everyone has had their share of disappointments.

I’m sure your child will have some excellent options with their great stats.

Exactly. There is another thread on this forum discussing exactly that ("Computer Science Major"). Interesting how those parents aren't blaming the schools that rejected their kids on that thread. For some reason, the parents here feel their kids are entitled to a VT admission. They're not.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

The reality is exactly the opposite. Parents of kids who aren't accepted tell themselves it must be because of "yield protection" or "games." Their narrative is that their child was so qualified, that's the only possible explanation for their rejection. It's really pretty pathetic.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't see much of Virginia being terribly academic. I can't believe the biggest school in the state has OVER a 4.0 GPA as its average.

OMG. Get out more! There are a ton of incredibly smart kids in Virginia past Luray Caverns. There are students in SW VA getting into MIT, NYU, UVA, etc. Virginia ranks fourth in the nation for K-12 education, remember. You sound very insulated in your NOVA zip code.

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Can you believe the PP? "Terribly academic." What a snotty moron.

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Anonymous wrote:UCs *kinda * do this.

I think VT might put the brakes on the transparency efforts.

Is VT even aware of how infuriating data can be to donut hole MC parents who pay Virginia taxes for years and anticipate that their STEM star student child will get into the Commonwealth’s POLYTECHNIC?

Are you even aware of how many star STEM students (and other students) your kid is competing against? Apparently, you are not.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

The reality is exactly the opposite. Parents of kids who aren't accepted tell themselves it must be because of "yield protection" or "games." Their narrative is that their child was so qualified, that's the only possible explanation for their rejection. It's really pretty pathetic.
DP

+1 And paying VA taxes has noting to do with being qualified to attend VT.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

The reality is exactly the opposite. Parents of kids who aren't accepted tell themselves it must be because of "yield protection" or "games." Their narrative is that their child was so qualified, that's the only possible explanation for their rejection. It's really pretty pathetic.
DP

So happy DS did not apply. You tech supporters are insufferable. The once proud football program...

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

The reality is exactly the opposite. Parents of kids who aren't accepted tell themselves it must be because of "yield protection" or "games." Their narrative is that their child was so qualified, that's the only possible explanation for their rejection. It's really pretty pathetic.
DP

+1 And paying VA taxes has noting to do with being qualified to attend VT.

But it should...

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

I think it’s funny that the Virginia posters complaining about VT often comment on their admission to MD from oos. Clearly MD also takes a lot of oos students.

[b]Exactly! They don’t even grasp the disconnect in their “logic.”

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The "logic" is pretty clear. A few years back VT brought in admissions consultants to help them assess how to climb the USNWR charts. The result is what you see. Also, Tech's President TIm Sands said he wanted the university to be 40% URM and Students of Color. He achieved this by 2022.[b] https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. What does that do? It catapults VT up the USNWR charts. How do you do this? You yield protect and select more URM and first generations. So, if you are URM or first generation you are going to get a big boost in admissions. If you are Asian American and a great student at TJ, forget it. We've seen this for the last four or five years. That's why there is a "disconnect" and reporting is all over the board.

This was killer for the white kids the past few years. Kids with very high scores and gpas who never would have been rejected in past cycles.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

The reality is exactly the opposite. Parents of kids who aren't accepted tell themselves it must be because of "yield protection" or "games." Their narrative is that their child was so qualified, that's the only possible explanation for their rejection. It's really pretty pathetic.
DP

+1 And paying VA taxes has noting to do with being qualified to attend VT.

But it should...

It doesn't guarantee admission at any public school. You can claim in-state tuition at Radford, Longwood, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

The reality is exactly the opposite. Parents of kids who aren't accepted tell themselves it must be because of "yield protection" or "games." Their narrative is that their child was so qualified, that's the only possible explanation for their rejection. It's really pretty pathetic.
DP

+1 And paying VA taxes has noting to do with being qualified to attend VT.

But it should...

It doesn't guarantee admission at any public school. You can claim in-state tuition at Radford, Longwood, etc.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:UCs *kinda * do this.

I think VT might put the brakes on the transparency efforts.

Is VT even aware of how infuriating data can be to donut hole MC parents who pay Virginia taxes for years and anticipate that their STEM star student child will get into the Commonwealth’s POLYTECHNIC?

Send your kid to NVCC first

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

I think it’s funny that the Virginia posters complaining about VT often comment on their admission to MD from oos. Clearly MD also takes a lot of oos students.

Exactly! They don’t even grasp the disconnect in their “logic.”

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The "logic" is pretty clear. A few years back VT brought in admissions consultants to help them assess how to climb the USNWR charts. The result is what you see. Also, Tech's President TIm Sands said he wanted the university to be 40% URM and Students of Color. He achieved this by 2022. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. What does that do? It catapults VT up the USNWR charts. How do you do this? You yield protect and select more URM and first generations. So, if you are URM or first generation you are going to get a big boost in admissions. If you are Asian American and a great student at TJ, forget it. We've seen this for the last four or five years. That's why there is a "disconnect" and reporting is all over the board.

I noticed this meteoric rise as well. They sat in the 70s forever. Now all of the sudden they are up 13 spots.

USNews changed their ranking criteria in 2018/19. VT president focuses on meeting the new ranking measures and their ranking improves.

In a selectivity based approach schools don’t move much because the top tier school trickles down the merit based applicants and so movement doesn’t change much, but with these measures, you just change your own admissions criteria and boom, you can change your ranking quickly.

It’s like great schools and their equity rankings. because some small number of URMs get bad grades, the schools score drops. How do you fix that? Lower your standards.

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Anonymous wrote:The VT bashing doesn't make any sense. It's a top school. -No dog in this fight

Where’s the VT bashing? VT is a fine school. So are other second tier VA in states.

VT is not second tier

When you yield protect in state qualified applicants then you are second tier and have a second tier mentality. Frankly more like third tier.

So bitter.

Not bitter - kids have not applied yet. Just observing the patterns and that the other local schools are more fair and transparent - Virginia, Maryland, George Mason, VCU etc.. Hope DC is not interested in VT so we can skip the VT admissions games.

VT is the most transparent school we looked at when it comes to admission stats. I can’t think of another school that publishes detailed data about every major they offer and the corresponding stats. We found that extremely useful.

No VT is not the most transparent. All VA schools, public and private, provide exhaustive data to SCHEV , which publishes detailed results every late fall. It’s an extraordinary amount of information. No other state does this. Every parent looking at VA schools should be familiar with it

I’m not talking about SCHEV. VT has its own site (linked on these threads many times) which allows users to input college, major, type of student, etc. and see acceptance rates for all. No other VA school provides such granular information.

NP. I agree with the Tech disclosure of acceptance nformation, but the bigger question seems WHY/HOW do they accept the kids they do? It just seems so arbitrary. This year my son from FCPS was a direct admit to UMD CS with merit applying EA and W&M Monroe Scholar applying RD. Differed UVA. 12 applications and not one ED. CS major did NOT bother applying to state's premier tech school because admission is so unpredictable. Admission appears to be run like a private rather than a state supported institution. Other VA schools, if you hit certain benchmarks, you can reasonably predict the result. Not Tech.

Again, admissions is not just stats.

PP, again, Tech's process just appears so unique and arbitrary. Reliance on ED (which comprise probably less a dozen public institutions in the entire country) and higher OOS acceptance rate (again highly unusual for a public institution).

I think it’s funny that the Virginia posters complaining about VT often comment on their admission to MD from oos. Clearly MD also takes a lot of oos students.

Exactly! They don’t even grasp the disconnect in their “logic.”

+1

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The "logic" is pretty clear. A few years back VT brought in admissions consultants to help them assess how to climb the USNWR charts. The result is what you see. Also, Tech's President TIm Sands said he wanted the university to be 40% URM and Students of Color. He achieved this by 2022. https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2022/09/admissions-fall-census-2022.html. What does that do? It catapults VT up the USNWR charts. How do you do this? You yield protect and select more URM and first generations. So, if you are URM or first generation you are going to get a big boost in admissions. If you are Asian American and a great student at TJ, forget it. We've seen this for the last four or five years. That's why there is a "disconnect" and reporting is all over the board.

I noticed this meteoric rise as well. They sat in the 70s forever. Now all of the sudden they are up 13 spots.

USNews changed their ranking criteria in 2018/19. VT president focuses on meeting the new ranking measures and their ranking improves.

In a selectivity based approach schools don’t move much because the top tier school trickles down the merit based applicants and so movement doesn’t change much, but with these measures, you just change your own admissions criteria and boom, you can change your ranking quickly.

It’s like great schools and their equity rankings. because some small number of URMs get bad grades, the schools score drops. How do you fix that? Lower your standards.

Yet Tech’s stats have increased.