Virginia Tech SAT Scores

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

Link to this information?
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I'm a different poster, but here's a link/info:
For 2022-2023==enrolled freshman, from SCHEV database: https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

GMU Median GPA: 3.76 %submitting test scores: 38.5% 1160-1340
JMU Median GPA: 3.88 %submitting test scores: 26.2% 1160-1310
VT Median GPA: 4.04 %submitting test scores: 56.6% 1230-1400
WM Median GPA :4.33 %submitting test scores: 70.6% 1375-1520
UVA Median GPA: 4.4 %submitting test scores: 70.9% 1400-1520

UVA& W&M are most similar, with high percentages of submitted test scores, nearly identical SAT spreads except W&M.

VT seems in the middle, with lower GPA and scores, and lower number of people submitting test scores than UVA/W&M, but higher than GMU/JMU.

Surprising to me that GMU seems almost identical to JMU in terms of stats of enrolled students--slightly higher SATs and higher percent of kids submitting scores. Slightly lower median GPA. In the past I thought of JMU as enrolling stronger students that GMU. It may be that students who start at GMU as freshman are very strong but then GMU has a higher transfer population from NOVA due to its proximity.

That seems close. UVA and W&M have pretty similar stats but are different types and sizes of schools. VT may be more selective for some majors (although I have not seen this data), but overall is in its stats are lower than UVA/W&M but above the other state schools so it is in its own tier. It also has a different "vibe" (hate that overused word but it works here). It is a more typical large state school experience. Below that, there are several schools that have pretty similar stats and acceptance rates high enough that many applying students may be accepted at their first choice of those: GMU, JMU, MWU, VCU, VMI, and CNU. There is a range of locations, sizes, and experiences in those schools. Overall, Virginia has good variety and the schools aren't "cookie cutter" as they are in some states.

A lot of people on DCUM fret about prestige or outcomes based on where their kid is accepted, but I don't really see that big of a difference in the data once you adjust for majors and where graduates tend to settle.

The SAT averages for VT/JMU/GMU are literally within 100 PRA of each other and the GPAs even closer. None of the three are remotely close to the numbers on IVA and W&M. I’m a proud Holie but let’s be honest here.

Ok PP here-I swear I am not drunk texting…sorry for the typos.

I agree that VT appears to be trying to “get away from the pack” but because of its enrollment targets, is unlikely to ever be as selective as the Flagships. That’s fine. Also interest led to see what happens with JMU. Their enrollment is near 5,000 per year. If they stop increasing enrollment, they are likely to become more difficult to get into based on what I’m hearing about application increases…time will tell. My DD is a sophomore who wants to be an engineer. Obviously VT is very interesting to us.

Yield plays a big factor in selective class profile. VT yield% has trended upwards.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

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https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2023/01/ua-2023Applications.html#:~:text=A%20historic%20high%2047%2C128%20first,implemented%20in%20the%20admissions%20process.

4.06 WGPA means 3.5 uGPA with 10 APS. In other words on part with GMU not UVA.

My word, you are clueless.
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Anonymous wrote:So, it’s shameful not to be rich?
That outlook is shameful.

+1 If attending VT was "shameful" then we would not have 21 pages of people crying they didn't get in and creating wild narratives.

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The poster making that ludicrous claim obviously has a chip on his/her shoulder because their kid did not get in. Statements like that one tell us all we need to know.

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Anonymous wrote:So, it’s shameful not to be rich?
That outlook is shameful.

+1 If attending VT was "shameful" then we would not have 21 pages of people crying they didn't get in and creating wild narratives.

I don't think attending VT is shameful, but you're misrepresenting the discussion-- people -- many of whom didn't apply or did get in-- are discussing actual data that shows odd patterns of accepting lower scoring students over higher scoring students. I get that you might feel that this data pattern somehow "lessens" the value of VT's acceptance or something, but it really doesn't--it's a good school. You don't need to be defensive. You're clearly happy with VT--just go with it.

The PP was referring to this trolling post:

"Typically, the bottom 20-25% of the TJ grads even bother applying to VT. It is shameful to attend VT as a TJ grad."

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

4.06
https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2023/01/ua-2023Applications.html#:~:text=A%20historic%20high%2047%2C128%20first,implemented%20in%20the%20admissions%20process.

4.06 WGPA means 3.5 uGPA with 10 APS. In other words on part with GMU not UVA.

My word, you are clueless.
DP

A very compelling retort. Meanwhile a 4.0 weighted GPA is about average at McLean High.

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Anonymous wrote:Transparen? Hardly. Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed.

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond. And why? Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education? It just really doesn't make sense to me.

They don't. This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with 3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs. As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats. You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted. Move on.

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova

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VT's average is 4.4W

No. VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.

4.06
https://vtx.vt.edu/articles/2023/01/ua-2023Applications.html#:~:text=A%20historic%20high%2047%2C128%20first,implemented%20in%20the%20admissions%20process.

4.06 WGPA means 3.5 uGPA with 10 APS. In other words on part with GMU not UVA.

My word, you are clueless.
DP

A very compelling retort. Meanwhile a 4.0 weighted GPA is about average at McLean High.

Ok? I'm sure you think you have some kind of point.

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Anonymous wrote:During a tour at JMU this fall the AO said they do not care about the SAT. The SAT in decisions mattered "about as much as what you were having for lunch that day."

This is why the low percent submitting SAT's at JMU.

We toured JMU spring of 2022 and at the meeting they hold before you go out on your tour the presenter said they absolutely don't care if you send scores or not. If you send, they will consider them. If you don't send, they won't.

Also, we went to VT this past summer for a departmental tour (Ag. college), and the presenter said to only send your scores if you are really, really, really proud of them. I don't remember how many "reallys" she said, but it was a few. My child didn't end up sending (because she wasn't really, really, really proud of them!), and she got in. That may just be true for Ag. though. I'm not sure.

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Most schools now do not care if you send your scores or not.

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Anonymous wrote:So, it’s shameful not to be rich?
That outlook is shameful.

+1 If attending VT was "shameful" then we would not have 21 pages of people crying they didn't get in and creating wild narratives.

I don't think attending VT is shameful, but you're misrepresenting the discussion-- people -- many of whom didn't apply or did get in-- are discussing actual data that shows odd patterns of accepting lower scoring students over higher scoring students. I get that you might feel that this data pattern somehow "lessens" the value of VT's acceptance or something, but it really doesn't--it's a good school. You don't need to be defensive. You're clearly happy with VT--just go with it.

Perfectly stated. I'm one of cry babies who's son didn't even apply.

Why not?

We've visited a couple of times. Wasn't interested attending school in southwest Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:So, it’s shameful not to be rich?
That outlook is shameful.

+1 If attending VT was "shameful" then we would not have 21 pages of people crying they didn't get in and creating wild narratives.

I don't think attending VT is shameful, but you're misrepresenting the discussion-- people -- many of whom didn't apply or did get in-- are discussing actual data that shows odd patterns of accepting lower scoring students over higher scoring students. I get that you might feel that this data pattern somehow "lessens" the value of VT's acceptance or something, but it really doesn't--it's a good school. You don't need to be defensive. You're clearly happy with VT--just go with it.

The PP was referring to this trolling post:

"Typically, the bottom 20-25% of the TJ grads even bother applying to VT. It is shameful to attend VT as a TJ grad."

Yes, of course, that's a troll post. But PP also called the prior discussion "21 pages of crying" when most of it was more just reasoning about evidence by people who don't have a horse in the game. Comes off as very defensive to be that accusatory when people notice a pattern that looks like yield protection and are wondering about it.