UVA mass shooting

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Anonymous wrote:This is so sad. The suspect had a promising future too. He was a star in high school. What happened and how can it be prevented in the future? Was it bullying? Was he a victim of hazing? Bullying takes a huge toll on victims and perpetrators alike. (Not saying the victims were bullying him.)

From CNN:

“His father, Chris Jones Sr., told CNN affiliate WTVR that his son was "real paranoid ... about something. He wouldn't tell me everything."

Some people were picking on him and Jones Jr. said he didn't know how to handle it, the father told WTKR of a conversation they had a month ago when his son visited. He said he advised his son to just go to class and ignore them.

The father apologized for his son's alleged actions and said he couldn't believe it was him when he was told the news by police.

Jones is from Petersburg, about 24 miles south of Richmond. He went to Varina High School in Henrico County -- about 30 minutes from Petersburg -- for three years where he was a star football player, a member of the National Honor Society, president of the Key Club and student of the year as a freshman and sophomore, according to the UVA football website.

He played his senior season at Petersburg High School where he was honorable mention all-conference as a running back and linebacker.”

How does someone with these stats not understand that killing people is wrong? Just over some words? Football head injury maybe? I mean Key Club and shootings don't usually go together.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

I'm curious what the video game had to do with this. It was the last thing mentioned before he shot. Recently I saw an article about a guy who killed his baby because she cried during a video game.

[Anonymous]

CTE?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sad. The suspect had a promising future too. He was a star in high school. What happened and how can it be prevented in the future? Was it bullying? Was he a victim of hazing? Bullying takes a huge toll on victims and perpetrators alike. (Not saying the victims were bullying him.)

From CNN:

“His father, Chris Jones Sr., told CNN affiliate WTVR that his son was "real paranoid ... about something. He wouldn't tell me everything."

Some people were picking on him and Jones Jr. said he didn't know how to handle it, the father told WTKR of a conversation they had a month ago when his son visited. He said he advised his son to just go to class and ignore them.

The father apologized for his son's alleged actions and said he couldn't believe it was him when he was told the news by police.

Jones is from Petersburg, about 24 miles south of Richmond. He went to Varina High School in Henrico County -- about 30 minutes from Petersburg -- for three years where he was a star football player, a member of the National Honor Society, president of the Key Club and student of the year as a freshman and sophomore, according to the UVA football website.

He played his senior season at Petersburg High School where he was honorable mention all-conference as a running back and linebacker.”

How does someone with these stats not understand that killing people is wrong? Just over some words? Football head injury maybe? I mean Key Club and shootings don't usually go together.

You sound extremely naïve. With very simplistic models of mental health in your brain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CTE?

From playing high school football? The kid never played in college. Didn’t even practice. Get a grip.

[Anonymous]

Prosecutor says one of the football players was asleep.

My gut says the "people were picking on me" + video game comments speak more to schizophrenia/paranoia than any actual conflict with these guys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Families of the victims need to pursue this, horrible!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has been posted yet; but an article from a witness on the bus, with more details about the incident as well as what the students were doing prior to it. It makes me so sad: the class seemed really exciting and meaningful; the professor planned an enriching day seeing a play and getting food together; and it sounds like the class, despite their different backgrounds, really bonded over the course material and enjoyed one another's company. This guy took something so positive and turned it into this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/15/uva-shooting-witness-reveals-details/

This is unbearably sad.

The humanity of this girl, to make sure the families know their loved ones were not alone in their last moments. Unbearably sad, but also such a gift, because as a mom I know that would matter to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It bothers me that the suspect’s dad says his son revealed that he was being bullied and seemed paranoid, but was reluctant to disclose what he was paranoid about, they didn’t speak again for a month, and now, after his son shot 5 people and killed 3 of them, he’s saying his son could’ve called him instead? I feel like most parents would be doing some soul searching about all the things they should have done differently if their child was a mass shooter.

From reading other articles, I had the sense the dad was not very involved at all with raising his son after the age of 5, and was not really a part of his son's life. Not talking to his son for a month, when he thought his son was troubled, kind of confirms that the dad was not an active parent. I read this article and felt like the dad wanted the limelight, but that's me being cynical.

I read similar articles that indicated the dad was not involved really at all since the suspect was a small child. The suspect had problems getting along with kids (fights, transferring schools, etc) since elementary school. He also wasn’t able to get along with his mother and moved in with his grandmother senior year of high school. His time on the UVA football team as a walk-on was brief and did not overlap with the victims (according the the UVA athletic director press conference today).

AT one point do you think universities should consider behavior and risk when evaluating college applicants. It seems many overlook the disciplinary/fights, and other issues when if you are looking a perspective student body you really shouldn't be admitting kids with well-documented violence issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CTE?

From playing high school football? The kid never played in college. Didn’t even practice. Get a grip.

Yes, it has been shown in studies and it does not even take a concussion to cause it. They have found it in high school football players who have not suffered concussions. So even the constant lower-level collisions are leaving a mark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CTE?

From playing high school football? The kid never played in college. Didn’t even practice. Get a grip.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=high+school+football+heat+exhaustion+documentary&&view=detail&mid=7186DD0E90F6521D83137186DD0E90F6521D8313&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dhigh%2520school%2520football%2520heat%2520exhaustion%2520documentary%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVR%26%3D%2525eManage%2520Your%2520Search%2520History%2525E%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Dhigh%2520school%2520football%2520heat%2520exhaustion%2520documentary%26sc%3D0-48%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D7593621BB910490B96E23045B6FF0AC7%26ghsh%3D0%26ghacc%3D0%26ghpl%3D

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has been posted yet; but an article from a witness on the bus, with more details about the incident as well as what the students were doing prior to it. It makes me so sad: the class seemed really exciting and meaningful; the professor planned an enriching day seeing a play and getting food together; and it sounds like the class, despite their different backgrounds, really bonded over the course material and enjoyed one another's company. This guy took something so positive and turned it into this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/15/uva-shooting-witness-reveals-details/

This is unbearably sad.

The humanity of this girl, to make sure the families know their loved ones were not alone in their last moments. Unbearably sad, but also such a gift, because as a mom I know that would matter to me.

Yes, she’s extremely empathetic. I hope she gets help processing her grief, shock, fear and any possible survivor’s guilt or PTSD. I don’t want her to be plagued with her own mental health issues as a result.

I feel so bad for everyone affected by these shootings — obviously the victims and their families and friends, but also the professor, the bus driver, the other witnesses, the football program, students who were scared when they got the notification from campus security, parents who were worried about their students, family members of the shooter, the first responders who saw the carnage firsthand, the medical professionals who couldn’t save everyone. You hear the numbers, 3 dead and 2 others injured, and it sounds like a relatively contained situation, but trauma has been inflicted on a lot of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Prosecutor says one of the football players was asleep.

My gut says the "people were picking on me" + video game comments speak more to schizophrenia/paranoia than any actual conflict with these guys.

Our teen son plays those streaming video games and everyone in the group playing amongst each other talks crap over their mics. It can be really, really cruel and vile. If it is really related to an old hazing incident, often the worst hazing is sexual in nature, so is it possible someone brought up a horrific hazing allegation (true, half true, not true - who knows) when talking crap during the video game and re-opened deep years old trauma? You don’t really ever get over bullying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CTE?

From playing high school football? The kid never played in college. Didn’t even practice. Get a grip.

Yes, it has been shown in studies and it does not even take a concussion to cause it. They have found it in high school football players who have not suffered concussions. So even the constant lower-level collisions are leaving a mark.

I said this many, many posts back. My first thought was CTE.