Atheist bil won’t allow 3 year old nephew to receive a gift during holidays

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I think bil is wrong here. I have celebrated holidays of other religions with friends. I am touched that they think to invite me. I don' t get bent out of shape over it. I am flattered.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

Why would that be less offensive than a kid slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?

I’ve heard atheist ppl say atheism isn’t a religion; it’s simply no belief in God or gods. But you are comparing the two?

Is belief in God superior to not believe in God? For respect to be received, it must be given, no?

But I’ve been told numerous times here atheism is nothing but a disbelief in God or gods. Santa is not a god.

DP. Parents make all sorts of decisions about their kids that have nothing to do with religion. Or, even within one particular religion, parents will have different “rules” for their family.

Intentionally going against parents’ wishes behind their back is disrespectful. Period.

This was a lame attempt to antagonize atheists. ‘Tis the season?

No, a poster is comparing giving a kosher Jewish child bacon w/o parental knowledge to giving a grandchild a Christmas gift after his atheist parents do not give consent.

Atheism is a religion w/o a god.

It's not.

And PP was comparing two instances of going against parents' wishes. It has nothing to do with religion.

Breaking kosher is breaking religious rules. Specifically.

But they are religious rules that parents choose to follow. Religious rules aren’t superior to any other rules.

Even atheists have their rules, apparently.

There are no “atheist rules”. Just individual families making their own decisions. Just like everyone else.

Then why did pp compare this situation to kosher rules? That’s not parents or families randomly deciding to not eat certain foods; it’s a religious thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think bil is wrong here. I have celebrated holidays of other religions with friends. I am touched that they think to invite me. I don' t get bent out of shape over it. I am flattered.

+1 absolutely. It’s fun to have fun with friends and family.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

Why would that be less offensive than a kid slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?

I’ve heard atheist ppl say atheism isn’t a religion; it’s simply no belief in God or gods. But you are comparing the two?

Is belief in God superior to not believe in God? For respect to be received, it must be given, no?

But I’ve been told numerous times here atheism is nothing but a disbelief in God or gods. Santa is not a god.

DP. Parents make all sorts of decisions about their kids that have nothing to do with religion. Or, even within one particular religion, parents will have different “rules” for their family.

Intentionally going against parents’ wishes behind their back is disrespectful. Period.

This was a lame attempt to antagonize atheists. ‘Tis the season?

No, a poster is comparing giving a kosher Jewish child bacon w/o parental knowledge to giving a grandchild a Christmas gift after his atheist parents do not give consent.

Atheism is a religion w/o a god.

It's not.

And PP was comparing two instances of going against parents' wishes. It has nothing to do with religion.

Breaking kosher is breaking religious rules. Specifically.

But they are religious rules that parents choose to follow. Religious rules aren’t superior to any other rules.

Even atheists have their rules, apparently.

There are no “atheist rules”. Just individual families making their own decisions. Just like everyone else.

Then why did pp compare this situation to kosher rules? That’s not parents or families randomly deciding to not eat certain foods; it’s a religious thing.

The rationale behind the family rules isn’t the point here. It’s the blatant disregard for the family’s rules.

Atheism isn’t a religion. There aren’t “atheist rules”. There isn’t a parallel there no matter how much you want to force one in your attempt to antagonize others.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

Why would that be less offensive than a kid slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?

I’ve heard atheist ppl say atheism isn’t a religion; it’s simply no belief in God or gods. But you are comparing the two?

Is belief in God superior to not believe in God? For respect to be received, it must be given, no?

But I’ve been told numerous times here atheism is nothing but a disbelief in God or gods. Santa is not a god.

DP. Parents make all sorts of decisions about their kids that have nothing to do with religion. Or, even within one particular religion, parents will have different “rules” for their family.

Intentionally going against parents’ wishes behind their back is disrespectful. Period.

This was a lame attempt to antagonize atheists. ‘Tis the season?

No, a poster is comparing giving a kosher Jewish child bacon w/o parental knowledge to giving a grandchild a Christmas gift after his atheist parents do not give consent.

Atheism is a religion w/o a god.

It's not.

And PP was comparing two instances of going against parents' wishes. It has nothing to do with religion.

Breaking kosher is breaking religious rules. Specifically.

But they are religious rules that parents choose to follow. Religious rules aren’t superior to any other rules.

Even atheists have their rules, apparently.

There are no “atheist rules”. Just individual families making their own decisions. Just like everyone else.

Then why did pp compare this situation to kosher rules? That’s not parents or families randomly deciding to not eat certain foods; it’s a religious thing.

The rationale behind the family rules isn’t the point here. It’s the blatant disregard for the family’s rules.

Atheism isn’t a religion. There aren’t “atheist rules”. There isn’t a parallel there no matter how much you want to force one in your attempt to antagonize others.

“Why would that be less offensive than slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?”

Pp compared religious rules and their importance in the life of a family to an atheist not allowing his young child a small Christmas gift.

To pp, it’s comparable.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

Why would that be less offensive than a kid slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?

I’ve heard atheist ppl say atheism isn’t a religion; it’s simply no belief in God or gods. But you are comparing the two?

Is belief in God superior to not believe in God? For respect to be received, it must be given, no?

But I’ve been told numerous times here atheism is nothing but a disbelief in God or gods. Santa is not a god.

DP. Parents make all sorts of decisions about their kids that have nothing to do with religion. Or, even within one particular religion, parents will have different “rules” for their family.

Intentionally going against parents’ wishes behind their back is disrespectful. Period.

This was a lame attempt to antagonize atheists. ‘Tis the season?

No, a poster is comparing giving a kosher Jewish child bacon w/o parental knowledge to giving a grandchild a Christmas gift after his atheist parents do not give consent.

Atheism is a religion w/o a god.

It's not.

And PP was comparing two instances of going against parents' wishes. It has nothing to do with religion.

Breaking kosher is breaking religious rules. Specifically.

But they are religious rules that parents choose to follow. Religious rules aren’t superior to any other rules.

Even atheists have their rules, apparently.

There are no “atheist rules”. Just individual families making their own decisions. Just like everyone else.

Then why did pp compare this situation to kosher rules? That’s not parents or families randomly deciding to not eat certain foods; it’s a religious thing.

The rationale behind the family rules isn’t the point here. It’s the blatant disregard for the family’s rules.

Atheism isn’t a religion. There aren’t “atheist rules”. There isn’t a parallel there no matter how much you want to force one in your attempt to antagonize others.

“Why would that be less offensive than slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?”

Pp compared religious rules and their importance in the life of a family to an atheist not allowing his young child a small Christmas gift.

To pp, it’s comparable.

No, the point was it’s offensive to go against family’s rules - regardless of reasons behind it. Religious or not.

Atheism isn’t a religion. No matter how you try to jerk it out of PP’s comment.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

Why would that be less offensive than a kid slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?

I’ve heard atheist ppl say atheism isn’t a religion; it’s simply no belief in God or gods. But you are comparing the two?

Is belief in God superior to not believe in God? For respect to be received, it must be given, no?

But I’ve been told numerous times here atheism is nothing but a disbelief in God or gods. Santa is not a god.

DP. Parents make all sorts of decisions about their kids that have nothing to do with religion. Or, even within one particular religion, parents will have different “rules” for their family.

Intentionally going against parents’ wishes behind their back is disrespectful. Period.

This was a lame attempt to antagonize atheists. ‘Tis the season?

No, a poster is comparing giving a kosher Jewish child bacon w/o parental knowledge to giving a grandchild a Christmas gift after his atheist parents do not give consent.

Atheism is a religion w/o a god.

It's not.

And PP was comparing two instances of going against parents' wishes. It has nothing to do with religion.

Breaking kosher is breaking religious rules. Specifically.

But they are religious rules that parents choose to follow. Religious rules aren’t superior to any other rules.

Even atheists have their rules, apparently.

There are no “atheist rules”. Just individual families making their own decisions. Just like everyone else.

Then why did pp compare this situation to kosher rules? That’s not parents or families randomly deciding to not eat certain foods; it’s a religious thing.

The rationale behind the family rules isn’t the point here. It’s the blatant disregard for the family’s rules.

Atheism isn’t a religion. There aren’t “atheist rules”. There isn’t a parallel there no matter how much you want to force one in your attempt to antagonize others.

“Why would that be less offensive than slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?”

Pp compared religious rules and their importance in the life of a family to an atheist not allowing his young child a small Christmas gift.

To pp, it’s comparable.

No, the point was it’s offensive to go against family’s rules - regardless of reasons behind it. Religious or not.

Atheism isn’t a religion. No matter how you try to jerk it out of PP’s comment.

pp made a direct comparison to religious rules. That’s how they feel.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

Why would that be less offensive than a kid slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?

I’ve heard atheist ppl say atheism isn’t a religion; it’s simply no belief in God or gods. But you are comparing the two?

Is belief in God superior to not believe in God? For respect to be received, it must be given, no?

But I’ve been told numerous times here atheism is nothing but a disbelief in God or gods. Santa is not a god.

DP. Parents make all sorts of decisions about their kids that have nothing to do with religion. Or, even within one particular religion, parents will have different “rules” for their family.

Intentionally going against parents’ wishes behind their back is disrespectful. Period.

This was a lame attempt to antagonize atheists. ‘Tis the season?

No, a poster is comparing giving a kosher Jewish child bacon w/o parental knowledge to giving a grandchild a Christmas gift after his atheist parents do not give consent.

Atheism is a religion w/o a god.

It's not.

And PP was comparing two instances of going against parents' wishes. It has nothing to do with religion.

Breaking kosher is breaking religious rules. Specifically.

But they are religious rules that parents choose to follow. Religious rules aren’t superior to any other rules.

Even atheists have their rules, apparently.

There are no “atheist rules”. Just individual families making their own decisions. Just like everyone else.

Then why did pp compare this situation to kosher rules? That’s not parents or families randomly deciding to not eat certain foods; it’s a religious thing.

The rationale behind the family rules isn’t the point here. It’s the blatant disregard for the family’s rules.

Atheism isn’t a religion. There aren’t “atheist rules”. There isn’t a parallel there no matter how much you want to force one in your attempt to antagonize others.

“Why would that be less offensive than slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?”

Pp compared religious rules and their importance in the life of a family to an atheist not allowing his young child a small Christmas gift.

To pp, it’s comparable.

No, the point was it’s offensive to go against family’s rules - regardless of reasons behind it. Religious or not.

Atheism isn’t a religion. No matter how you try to jerk it out of PP’s comment.

pp made a direct comparison to religious rules. That’s how they feel.

The point was to respect all family rules, regardless of reason - whether they are religious or not. Family rules based on religion are no more important than other family rules. Don’t you think we should all respect each others’ “rules”?

Atheism isn’t a religion. There are no “atheist rules”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have a gift in plain paper ready for the child. If the parents change their mind while visiting, you can have the gift ready to go.

If they do not opt for this, then continue to respect the parents’ wishes. I’m confident your mother can stop being dramatic for five minutes and think of other ways to make her grandchild feel loved and included.

Grandma is not being dramatic, a 3 year old may not understand why every other child gets a gift but not them, it sounds cruel and hurtful and I think Grandma is right to not want that for their grandchild.

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Anonymous wrote:Have a gift in plain paper ready for the child. If the parents change their mind while visiting, you can have the gift ready to go.

If they do not opt for this, then continue to respect the parents’ wishes. I’m confident your mother can stop being dramatic for five minutes and think of other ways to make her grandchild feel loved and included.

Grandma is not being dramatic, a 3 year old may not understand why every other child gets a gift but not them, it sounds cruel and hurtful and I think Grandma is right to not want that for their grandchild.

+1. Grandma sounds rightly concerned here. The dad is exhausting. Grandma can find other ways to show love, but ultimately dad is going to have to explain the lack of gifts to his kid.

[Anonymous]

I do not see the harm in one gift for this child. What is dad trying to prove?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

Why would that be less offensive than a kid slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?

I’ve heard atheist ppl say atheism isn’t a religion; it’s simply no belief in God or gods. But you are comparing the two?

Is belief in God superior to not believe in God? For respect to be received, it must be given, no?

But I’ve been told numerous times here atheism is nothing but a disbelief in God or gods. Santa is not a god.

DP. Parents make all sorts of decisions about their kids that have nothing to do with religion. Or, even within one particular religion, parents will have different “rules” for their family.

Intentionally going against parents’ wishes behind their back is disrespectful. Period.

This was a lame attempt to antagonize atheists. ‘Tis the season?

No, a poster is comparing giving a kosher Jewish child bacon w/o parental knowledge to giving a grandchild a Christmas gift after his atheist parents do not give consent.

Atheism is a religion w/o a god.

It's not.

And PP was comparing two instances of going against parents' wishes. It has nothing to do with religion.

Breaking kosher is breaking religious rules. Specifically.

But they are religious rules that parents choose to follow. Religious rules aren’t superior to any other rules.

Even atheists have their rules, apparently.

There are no “atheist rules”. Just individual families making their own decisions. Just like everyone else.

Then why did pp compare this situation to kosher rules? That’s not parents or families randomly deciding to not eat certain foods; it’s a religious thing.

Ok so would you be cool with slipping a piece of meat to the child of a vegetarian family?

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Anonymous wrote:Find another time to exchange gift that is not religious.

Xmas has nothing to do with gifts.

The gifts aren’t religious, and it’s a family tradition. We don’t get together as a family much due to logistics and this is the one time a year we are all together.

Call it Festivus and get him a gift.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

Why would that be less offensive than a kid slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?

I’ve heard atheist ppl say atheism isn’t a religion; it’s simply no belief in God or gods. But you are comparing the two?

Is belief in God superior to not believe in God? For respect to be received, it must be given, no?

But I’ve been told numerous times here atheism is nothing but a disbelief in God or gods. Santa is not a god.

DP. Parents make all sorts of decisions about their kids that have nothing to do with religion. Or, even within one particular religion, parents will have different “rules” for their family.

Intentionally going against parents’ wishes behind their back is disrespectful. Period.

This was a lame attempt to antagonize atheists. ‘Tis the season?

No, a poster is comparing giving a kosher Jewish child bacon w/o parental knowledge to giving a grandchild a Christmas gift after his atheist parents do not give consent.

Atheism is a religion w/o a god.

It's not.

And PP was comparing two instances of going against parents' wishes. It has nothing to do with religion.

Breaking kosher is breaking religious rules. Specifically.

But they are religious rules that parents choose to follow. Religious rules aren’t superior to any other rules.

Even atheists have their rules, apparently.

There are no “atheist rules”. Just individual families making their own decisions. Just like everyone else.

Then why did pp compare this situation to kosher rules? That’s not parents or families randomly deciding to not eat certain foods; it’s a religious thing.

Ok so would you be cool with slipping a piece of meat to the child of a vegetarian family?

Larlo is extremely limited on cookies and cake, etc. He cried and screamed so much last year my sister allowed him to have a single cookie doled out small piece at a time. It satisfied him and he behaved when she did that. He wouldn’t stop melting down until she allowed him a small cookie. So apparently she was ok with it after he got upset. Everyone wanted him to have a cookie because it’s a treat at Christmas and then when he started screaming for one by the table we wanted him to stop crying. I don’t think it’s bad to limit sweets but when it makes your child have a screaming fit to deprive them, what are you doing to your child?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

Why would that be less offensive than a kid slipping their Kosher cousin a piece of bacon?

I’ve heard atheist ppl say atheism isn’t a religion; it’s simply no belief in God or gods. But you are comparing the two?

Is belief in God superior to not believe in God? For respect to be received, it must be given, no?

But I’ve been told numerous times here atheism is nothing but a disbelief in God or gods. Santa is not a god.

DP. Parents make all sorts of decisions about their kids that have nothing to do with religion. Or, even within one particular religion, parents will have different “rules” for their family.

Intentionally going against parents’ wishes behind their back is disrespectful. Period.

This was a lame attempt to antagonize atheists. ‘Tis the season?

No, a poster is comparing giving a kosher Jewish child bacon w/o parental knowledge to giving a grandchild a Christmas gift after his atheist parents do not give consent.

Atheism is a religion w/o a god.

It's not.

And PP was comparing two instances of going against parents' wishes. It has nothing to do with religion.

Breaking kosher is breaking religious rules. Specifically.

But they are religious rules that parents choose to follow. Religious rules aren’t superior to any other rules.

Even atheists have their rules, apparently.

There are no “atheist rules”. Just individual families making their own decisions. Just like everyone else.

Then why did pp compare this situation to kosher rules? That’s not parents or families randomly deciding to not eat certain foods; it’s a religious thing.

Ok so would you be cool with slipping a piece of meat to the child of a vegetarian family?

Larlo is extremely limited on cookies and cake, etc. He cried and screamed so much last year my sister allowed him to have a single cookie doled out small piece at a time. It satisfied him and he behaved when she did that. He wouldn’t stop melting down until she allowed him a small cookie. So apparently she was ok with it after he got upset. Everyone wanted him to have a cookie because it’s a treat at Christmas and then when he started screaming for one by the table we wanted him to stop crying. I don’t think it’s bad to limit sweets but when it makes your child have a screaming fit to deprive them, what are you doing to your child?

Limiting sweets isn't the same as a vegetarian or a vegan because for many of those people it is an ethical decision. Even if it wasn't an ethical decision it is up to the parent if they want to stick with it or not. The fundamental disrespect for other's views and opinions when they have no impact on you is astounding here.