This is a really good point that the pro-spankers will seize upon as an example of being permissive but is actually just a mark of emotional maturity. My parents used to feel personally insulted by stuff all the time and fly into a rage that would result in a spanking or worse. And now as an adult and a parent myself (one who has been through 20 years of therapy and self improvement to get to this point, by the way) I can see how much of the stuff that used to enrage them just doesn't really even have anything to do with disrespect. It's just kids testing out behaviors or expressing emotions, and still in the learning phase of figuring out what works and what doesn't. And my job as a parent isn't to react (it's not really about me) but to teach and guide. Just as an example, when my kid whines, I calmly and briefly explain that whining hurts my ears and I can't understand what she is asking for when she does it. And then she tries again. And with time, I've seen her whining decrease. We've also taught her that when she feels like whining, it's often a sign that she is hungry or tired, and that she should try meeting those needs (go get a granola bar, lay down for a little bit) to see if it helps her get out of the funk that is causing her to whine. This is what parenting is, and wonder of wonders, it actually works. Alternatively, we could become incensed at her whininess, deem it disrespectful and rude, and spank her. And what would she learn? To address her own needs? To regulate her voice? Or that when she is struggling, don't come to use because we will hit her? It just doesn't make sense at all and is honestly the cheap and easy way out of a parenting problem. Parents who to regulate their own emotions and then work to teach their kids to do the same are doing the HARD work of parenting, not taking short cuts, and will see better results. Perhaps my kid can spend her time and money on something other than therapy as an adult, because she's learning this stuff now instead of in her 20s and 30s, like I did. |
If they spank their own kids then they ARE violent. Many kids who are abused do not abuse others but many do. Not sure what you think that proves. |
That is just because you are blinded by your own culture. In most modern democracies it is considered abuse. In Afghanistan, you are not abusive enough. It’s cultural. The laws of a given jurisdiction are irrelevant to the morality of an action. The main point (that has never been answered) is if there are effective alternatives available then why would violence ever be the right choice? |
Wow, as someone still struggling with my own rage, I thank you for putting that so clearly. |
You have missed all of the gang violence, domestic violence, wars, etc. |
Shut up Karen, you have ZERO clue what violence mean. Educate yourself! https://time.com/3387226/spanking-can-be-an-appropriate-form-of-child-discipline/ |
Uh, that's an opinion piece from 2014 written by a guy employed by Focus on the Family. I do not take parenting advice from an organization that believes in praying the gay away. Yuck. |
Look at the repeated rude and hostile comments by pro-spanking DCUMers! They call people names and bullying insults. Obvious connection on display right here. |
This is absolutely correct. Hitting a kid is lazy and counterproductive. |
Yeah, so no one seems to advocate spanking once kids reach your size. Why is that? |
| I was beat as a kid. My mom was doing what her family did and it was fueled by ignorance. It was what was done when your kids misbehaved. I don't feel rage towards her or my kids. I feel frustration and anger, and I will raise my voice at the junction, but I discipline my kids my own way. |
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PP, she called people violent for spanking. I don't spank my kids, but I don't disagree with it. Same as Abortion. So yes, I guess you need to educate yourself. FYI, Virginia allows for, “Corporal Punishment.” That means that spanking and other forms of physical punishment is permitted. However, it is limited to “reasonable” physical punishment in “due moderation.” https://law.lis.virginia.gov/admincode/title22/agency40/chapter141/section150/ |
There was also a law in this country which stated a man could hit his wife with "...a stick, no wider than his thumb..." . There were laws sanctioning the enslavement of black people and any person born to an enslaved woman. There were laws permitting only male land owners to vote. There were laws which prohibited interracial marriage. I could go on, but I hope you get the point. |
Oh yeah, I forgot another...interesting...law. There was no such thing as marital rape. Meaning a man could rape his wife and not be charged and prosecuted for raping her. |