Admitting you are Asian (college apps)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if you are Asian but were adopted and raised by African-American parents?

What do you put on your college appplication?

Better yet, what if you're Tiger Woods? I would assume you immediately disavow your entire Asian heritage to obtain advantages.

[Anonymous]

A lot of Asian kids are adopted and raised by white parents. What do they put on their college applications? Their names will sound white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the kids in college are progressive and pro-diversity....until they start applying for medical school. It's insane how bitter Asian (and by Asian I mean people with heritage from the entire continent - from India all the way to the Far East) students get about having to score a lot higher on the MCAT and also wrt their grades in school. They all know they'll be penalized for their race. I was a TA for tons of undergrads during grad school. They openly discussed the Asian penalty factor for med school admissions when they were in their most candid moments.

Their insane to be upset about the systemic racism that is condoned in society that they’ve had to deal with since high school. Always having to excel more than their peers to be given a chance.

Insane and bitter, huh?

They openly discussed this racism against them? How dare they, they are Asian they need to shut up and stay in their lane right? Stay quiet, don’t rock the boat and be happy to be here ( even when they might be 3 generations in).

You need to take a chill pill....I'm actually agreeing with the students that it is pretty messed up that they need to score a lot higher on their MCATs because they're Asian. But I can see where what I previously wrote was pretty bad (insane was meant in that context to mean there is a lot of bitterness [if you could quantify it] that Asian students have wrt this issue. It wasn't meant to mean that 'it's crazy that Asian students are bitter about the issue'; bad writing on my part - I was being lazy).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the kids in college are progressive and pro-diversity....until they start applying for medical school. It's insane how bitter Asian (and by Asian I mean people with heritage from the entire continent - from India all the way to the Far East) students get about having to score a lot higher on the MCAT and also wrt their grades in school. They all know they'll be penalized for their race. I was a TA for tons of undergrads during grad school. They openly discussed the Asian penalty factor for med school admissions when they were in their most candid moments.

Their insane to be upset about the systemic racism that is condoned in society that they’ve had to deal with since high school. Always having to excel more than their peers to be given a chance.

Insane and bitter, huh?

They openly discussed this racism against them? How dare they, they are Asian they need to shut up and stay in their lane right? Stay quiet, don’t rock the boat and be happy to be here ( even when they might be 3 generations in).

You need to take a chill pill....I'm actually agreeing with the students that it is pretty messed up that they need to score a lot higher on their MCATs because they're Asian. But I can see where what I previously wrote was pretty bad (insane was meant in that context to mean there is a lot of bitterness [if you could quantify it] that Asian students have wrt this issue. It wasn't meant to mean that 'it's crazy that Asian students are bitter about the issue'; bad writing on my part - I was being lazy).

Got it. I can appreciate that you understand their sentiments. It’s an invisible to most people, uphill battle. In FFX county it starts even earlier. There is this craziness about AAP, that also effectively has more stringent quotas. It’s not as obvious but you see it in the very subjective teacher reports and with borderline test results.

And I’m not even an AAP parent, my Asian kid has learning disabilities. I’ve had an uphill battle getting his services because they expect me to be a ‘tiger’ mom getting him multiple tutors so they don’t have to allocate resources to him, resources that are better reserved for URM. They even put him in an ESOL reading class (my son is 3rd generation, we only speak English at home) rather than provide an appropriate reading program for his specific learning disability.

I understand you’re probably tired, but the proper message matters and yes that takes more thinking and effort. Thank you for acknowledging this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the kids in college are progressive and pro-diversity....until they start applying for medical school. It's insane how bitter Asian (and by Asian I mean people with heritage from the entire continent - from India all the way to the Far East) students get about having to score a lot higher on the MCAT and also wrt their grades in school. They all know they'll be penalized for their race. I was a TA for tons of undergrads during grad school. They openly discussed the Asian penalty factor for med school admissions when they were in their most candid moments.

Their insane to be upset about the systemic racism that is condoned in society that they’ve had to deal with since high school. Always having to excel more than their peers to be given a chance.

Insane and bitter, huh?

They openly discussed this racism against them? How dare they, they are Asian they need to shut up and stay in their lane right? Stay quiet, don’t rock the boat and be happy to be here ( even when they might be 3 generations in).

You need to take a chill pill....I'm actually agreeing with the students that it is pretty messed up that they need to score a lot higher on their MCATs because they're Asian. But I can see where what I previously wrote was pretty bad (insane was meant in that context to mean there is a lot of bitterness [if you could quantify it] that Asian students have wrt this issue. It wasn't meant to mean that 'it's crazy that Asian students are bitter about the issue'; bad writing on my part - I was being lazy).

Got it. I can appreciate that you understand their sentiments. It’s an invisible to most people, uphill battle. In FFX county it starts even earlier. There is this craziness about AAP, that also effectively has more stringent quotas. It’s not as obvious but you see it in the very subjective teacher reports and with borderline test results.

And I’m not even an AAP parent, my Asian kid has learning disabilities. I’ve had an uphill battle getting his services because they expect me to be a ‘tiger’ mom getting him multiple tutors so they don’t have to allocate resources to him, resources that are better reserved for URM. They even put him in an ESOL reading class (my son is 3rd generation, we only speak English at home) rather than provide an appropriate reading program for his specific learning disability.

I understand you’re probably tired, but the proper message matters and yes that takes more thinking and effort. Thank you for acknowledging this.

White parent here. Same experience in FCPS with a dyslexic child. They kept saying there was not disability and that she was "average" and I should just accept that rather than worrying about if she would get into AAP (which I wasn't, but her sister was in AAP, so I think they made an assumption about me). FCPS, like almost every public school in the country, ignores our kids with LDs (especially if the child "looks normal" or is bright enough to score in the average range, despite a disability). It's very damaging. I'm not sure that it's a race thing (maybe). I think it's the district's effort to not have to pay to actually educate our children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the kids in college are progressive and pro-diversity....until they start applying for medical school. It's insane how bitter Asian (and by Asian I mean people with heritage from the entire continent - from India all the way to the Far East) students get about having to score a lot higher on the MCAT and also wrt their grades in school. They all know they'll be penalized for their race. I was a TA for tons of undergrads during grad school. They openly discussed the Asian penalty factor for med school admissions when they were in their most candid moments.

Their insane to be upset about the systemic racism that is condoned in society that they’ve had to deal with since high school. Always having to excel more than their peers to be given a chance.

Insane and bitter, huh?

They openly discussed this racism against them? How dare they, they are Asian they need to shut up and stay in their lane right? Stay quiet, don’t rock the boat and be happy to be here ( even when they might be 3 generations in).

You need to take a chill pill....I'm actually agreeing with the students that it is pretty messed up that they need to score a lot higher on their MCATs because they're Asian. But I can see where what I previously wrote was pretty bad (insane was meant in that context to mean there is a lot of bitterness [if you could quantify it] that Asian students have wrt this issue. It wasn't meant to mean that 'it's crazy that Asian students are bitter about the issue'; bad writing on my part - I was being lazy).

Got it. I can appreciate that you understand their sentiments. It’s an invisible to most people, uphill battle. In FFX county it starts even earlier. There is this craziness about AAP, that also effectively has more stringent quotas. It’s not as obvious but you see it in the very subjective teacher reports and with borderline test results.

And I’m not even an AAP parent, my Asian kid has learning disabilities. I’ve had an uphill battle getting his services because they expect me to be a ‘tiger’ mom getting him multiple tutors so they don’t have to allocate resources to him, resources that are better reserved for URM. They even put him in an ESOL reading class (my son is 3rd generation, we only speak English at home) rather than provide an appropriate reading program for his specific learning disability.

I understand you’re probably tired, but the proper message matters and yes that takes more thinking and effort. Thank you for acknowledging this.

White parent here. Same experience in FCPS with a dyslexic child. They kept saying there was not disability and that she was "average" and I should just accept that rather than worrying about if she would get into AAP (which I wasn't, but her sister was in AAP, so I think they made an assumption about me). FCPS, like almost every public school in the country, ignores our kids with LDs (especially if the child "looks normal" or is bright enough to score in the average range, despite a disability). It's very damaging. I'm not sure that it's a race thing (maybe). I think it's the district's effort to not have to pay to actually educate our children.

I completely understand how terrible FCPS is with Special Ed. But did they place your white child that only speaks English at home in an ESOL class? We’re talking middle school here. They put my 3rd generation, brown skinned, South Asian, only English speaking tween son in an ESOL class.

My younger son was also screened in K for ESOL No where in his registration did I list a foreign country or language. They pulled him out of class and screened him anyway and sent home the scores by mail. That’s the first time I knew they did the screening.

If they’re not of the stereotype Asian intelligence, than they must be needing ESOL.

Later colleges will see applications from an Asian male that are not perfect score SAT and 7 AP classes, where do you think they’re going to be placed in the Asian pile for admissions. They most certainly won’t make the Asian cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the kids in college are progressive and pro-diversity....until they start applying for medical school. It's insane how bitter Asian (and by Asian I mean people with heritage from the entire continent - from India all the way to the Far East) students get about having to score a lot higher on the MCAT and also wrt their grades in school. They all know they'll be penalized for their race. I was a TA for tons of undergrads during grad school. They openly discussed the Asian penalty factor for med school admissions when they were in their most candid moments.

Their insane to be upset about the systemic racism that is condoned in society that they’ve had to deal with since high school. Always having to excel more than their peers to be given a chance.

Insane and bitter, huh?

They openly discussed this racism against them? How dare they, they are Asian they need to shut up and stay in their lane right? Stay quiet, don’t rock the boat and be happy to be here ( even when they might be 3 generations in).

You need to take a chill pill....I'm actually agreeing with the students that it is pretty messed up that they need to score a lot higher on their MCATs because they're Asian. But I can see where what I previously wrote was pretty bad (insane was meant in that context to mean there is a lot of bitterness [if you could quantify it] that Asian students have wrt this issue. It wasn't meant to mean that 'it's crazy that Asian students are bitter about the issue'; bad writing on my part - I was being lazy).

Got it. I can appreciate that you understand their sentiments. It’s an invisible to most people, uphill battle. In FFX county it starts even earlier. There is this craziness about AAP, that also effectively has more stringent quotas. It’s not as obvious but you see it in the very subjective teacher reports and with borderline test results.

And I’m not even an AAP parent, my Asian kid has learning disabilities. I’ve had an uphill battle getting his services because they expect me to be a ‘tiger’ mom getting him multiple tutors so they don’t have to allocate resources to him, resources that are better reserved for URM. They even put him in an ESOL reading class (my son is 3rd generation, we only speak English at home) rather than provide an appropriate reading program for his specific learning disability.

I understand you’re probably tired, but the proper message matters and yes that takes more thinking and effort. Thank you for acknowledging this.

White parent here. Same experience in FCPS with a dyslexic child. They kept saying there was not disability and that she was "average" and I should just accept that rather than worrying about if she would get into AAP (which I wasn't, but her sister was in AAP, so I think they made an assumption about me). FCPS, like almost every public school in the country, ignores our kids with LDs (especially if the child "looks normal" or is bright enough to score in the average range, despite a disability). It's very damaging. I'm not sure that it's a race thing (maybe). I think it's the district's effort to not have to pay to actually educate our children.

I completely understand how terrible FCPS is with Special Ed. But did they place your white child that only speaks English at home in an ESOL class? We’re talking middle school here. They put my 3rd generation, brown skinned, South Asian, only English speaking tween son in an ESOL class.

My younger son was also screened in K for ESOL No where in his registration did I list a foreign country or language. They pulled him out of class and screened him anyway and sent home the scores by mail. That’s the first time I knew they did the screening.

If they’re not of the stereotype Asian intelligence, than they must be needing ESOL.

Later colleges will see applications from an Asian male that are not perfect score SAT and 7 AP classes, where do you think they’re going to be placed in the Asian pile for admissions. They most certainly won’t make the Asian cut.

Excellent point! They did screen my older child for ESOL but that was based an answer that we spoke another language in the household (learned my lesson on that one and did not write that on the form for the second one). ESOL on the basis of race is horrible!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If/when the Asians take over or start the big companies, they need to be very “holistic” in their hiring practices.

Make sure it’s very clear on applications that there will be higher requirements and expectations of certain races. If you make the cut, you get sprinkled in for diversity. Otherwise, bye.

Even being 'holistic' doesn't work. Google basically flat out said they weren't hiring/promoting and more straight white or asian men. Not sure you can make a 'cut' when a company like Google says they won't promote/hire you because of you DNA.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube-hiring-for-some-positions-excluded-white-and-asian-males-lawsuit-says-1519948013

That they made an exception based on someone's preferred sexual partners is insane.

"Where do you like to stick it again? Oh, ok, cool you're hired!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the kids in college are progressive and pro-diversity....until they start applying for medical school. It's insane how bitter Asian (and by Asian I mean people with heritage from the entire continent - from India all the way to the Far East) students get about having to score a lot higher on the MCAT and also wrt their grades in school. They all know they'll be penalized for their race. I was a TA for tons of undergrads during grad school. They openly discussed the Asian penalty factor for med school admissions when they were in their most candid moments.

Omg I didn’t know about this. This sucks. Are you sure?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the kids in college are progressive and pro-diversity....until they start applying for medical school. It's insane how bitter Asian (and by Asian I mean people with heritage from the entire continent - from India all the way to the Far East) students get about having to score a lot higher on the MCAT and also wrt their grades in school. They all know they'll be penalized for their race. I was a TA for tons of undergrads during grad school. They openly discussed the Asian penalty factor for med school admissions when they were in their most candid moments.

Why does it suck? I’m glad they brought the issue out into the open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If/when the Asians take over or start the big companies, they need to be very “holistic” in their hiring practices.

Make sure it’s very clear on applications that there will be higher requirements and expectations of certain races. If you make the cut, you get sprinkled in for diversity. Otherwise, bye.

Even being 'holistic' doesn't work. Google basically flat out said they weren't hiring/promoting and more straight white or asian men. Not sure you can make a 'cut' when a company like Google says they won't promote/hire you because of you DNA.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube-hiring-for-some-positions-excluded-white-and-asian-males-lawsuit-says-1519948013

That they made an exception based on someone's preferred sexual partners is insane.

"Where do you like to stick it again? Oh, ok, cool you're hired!"

Sexual orientation isn’t about “where you like to stick it”, moron.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of Asian kids are adopted and raised by white parents. What do they put on their college applications? Their names will sound white.

But the child is actually Asian, not BORN to white parents. When the child arrives at school, he or she is Asian, and the school can rescind any offers (including admission) made under false pretenses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the kids in college are progressive and pro-diversity....until they start applying for medical school. It's insane how bitter Asian (and by Asian I mean people with heritage from the entire continent - from India all the way to the Far East) students get about having to score a lot higher on the MCAT and also wrt their grades in school. They all know they'll be penalized for their race. I was a TA for tons of undergrads during grad school. They openly discussed the Asian penalty factor for med school admissions when they were in their most candid moments.

Omg I didn’t know about this. This sucks. Are you sure?

The Asian penalty starts at college applications, continues to graduate/ medical school applications, and continue to job applications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the kids in college are progressive and pro-diversity....until they start applying for medical school. It's insane how bitter Asian (and by Asian I mean people with heritage from the entire continent - from India all the way to the Far East) students get about having to score a lot higher on the MCAT and also wrt their grades in school. They all know they'll be penalized for their race. I was a TA for tons of undergrads during grad school. They openly discussed the Asian penalty factor for med school admissions when they were in their most candid moments.

Omg I didn’t know about this. This sucks. Are you sure?

The Asian penalty starts at college applications, continues to graduate/ medical school applications, and continue to job applications.

[Anonymous]

Asians face the same discrimination as blacks in job applications.

https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews