Christians are 'most persecuted group'

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Some atheist needs to answer this question: if you all admit the Pew study is worthless as a measure of SPECIFIC knowledge about any particular religion, why do you guys keep bringing it up on different threads? It sure seems like you’re hoping people will assume it’s more than it is.

I'm an atheist and I've never posted this survey so no idea. I generally try to avoid the religious threads - way too much nonsense. Sorry.

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Why on earth are you limiting this to Catholics? Christians in general (50%) are better at naming the gospels than atheists (39%).

Atheists/agnostics had a higher number of correct answers than Christians overall. The last column on the right.

Because atheists did better on Old Testament questions.

Atheists bombed the questions about the New Testament—the basis of Christian faith. Compare atheists’ score of 39% for naming the four gospels to 71% of evangelicals and 57% of Protestants. (I’m too am confused about why you’re choosing to cherry pick the subset of Catholics.)

You’ve also been told multiple times that this survey does not assess in-depth knowledge of any particular faith. The survey was never designed to do that, and you’re distorting it beyond recognition. These are extremely broad and shallow questions designed to assess broad knowledge of all faiths. The fact that 39% of atheists could name the four gospels says nothing about their knowledge of the message in the gospels. Some atheists may know that Ramadan is Islam’s holy month, but the survey never asked whether they know the five pillars of Islam. Some atheists may know that most South Indians are Hindu, but the survey didn’t ask if they know who Ganesh is. And so on and do on.

You’re distorting the survey beyond all recognition. You’re trying to make a general survey of broad knowledge into something it’s not, a survey of particular expertise in particular religions.

There are multiple posters. I’m the PP who mentioned the Catholic’s score. Only because someone posted that the atheists/agnostics scored “much, much worse” than others which wasn’t true. Why are YOU cherry picking evangelicals and Protestants?

Yes, the survey looks at broad knowledge of religion. And atheists/agnostics scored well. Which was exactly how the survey was presented. Nothing more. Nothing is being distorted or misrepresented.

Here was quote from that survey PP again:
“Actually, research shows that on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do. ”

And here is the first paragraph of the executive summary of the survey:
“Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons are among the highest-scoring groups on a new survey of religious knowledge, outperforming evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics on questions about the core teachings, history and leading figures of major world religions.”


You seem very disturbed by the results of this survey. Why is that?

So why the eff do you keep bringing up a survey you keep admitting is totally meaningless for any point you’re trying to make about atheists’ alleged knowledge of Christianity? Also, projecting about people being “disturbed” makes you look like a middle schooler.

I think you have some posters confused. I'm not trying to make a point about Christianity. Like the PP said, "on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do".

So you are not disturbed? Then why are you so hostile and calling people names?

First, you’re talking to multiple people here. Second, your constant ad hominems are beneath an adult, which I assume you are.

Third, your phrasing IMPLIES things that the study doesn’t support, by a long shot. You wouldn't cite the study of you didn’t want to create the impression that Pew thinks atheists have a relatively deep knowledge about Christianity and other religions. Nobody cites an irrelevant study “just because.”

Until you’re called out on it, like you were on this thread by several people.

Then you back down and admit the study only tests a very superficial knowledge across a number of religions.

Answer the question: If you admit it’s so worthless as an indicator of specific knowledge about any individual religion, why do you or someone else keep citing it? Seems pretty deceptive

Again, YOU are confusing posters.

Why aren't you calling out the PPs who are actually name-calling? Oh right, they're "Christians".

The survey is valuable because it demonstrates that atheists/agnostics are knowledgeable about religion in general. Which is exactly what was previously stated.

True statement:
"On average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do"

That is exactly what this survey shows.


Still waiting to hear from the PP who doesn't think she is disturbed, but resorts to name calling and hostility. If not "disturbed" then what?

“Religion in general” is pretty meaningless when the threshold is knowing where Jesus was born, that the Jewish sabbath starts on Friday, and that India is majority Hindu.

Once more with feeling: you (or others) are deceiving everybody by citing this study repeatedly on the Christian-bashing-thread-of-the-week to imply that atheists know a lot about Christianity (or about any other religion). The study never said that.

Don’t know where the pp you’re calling disturbed is, but her frustration with your insults and stonewalling is understandable.

I honestly don't care what Christians know or don't know. Or any other religious groups for that matter. I was just trying to point out that the PP who posted the survey didn't post anything misleading at all.

But since you are so stuck on this, I went back and looked at this again and, ON THIS SURVEY, atheists/agnostics (6.7) did happen to score better than christians (6.2). Protestants (6.5) and Catholics (5.4). The Mormons (7.9) really do know their sh1t. I just read "Educated" and don't find this surprising at all.



Again, I'm not drawing conclusions from that or trying to make a particular point. Just sharing the data from a survey of general religious knowledge.

Yawn. Nobody cares about these survey results, which don’t measure much of anything. They care about why the pp who posted thinks it was worthwhile posting at all. They care about whether she was trying to deceive by implying more than it actually said—until she was called out on it.

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Why on earth are you limiting this to Catholics? Christians in general (50%) are better at naming the gospels than atheists (39%).

Atheists/agnostics had a higher number of correct answers than Christians overall. The last column on the right.

Because atheists did better on Old Testament questions.

Atheists bombed the questions about the New Testament—the basis of Christian faith. Compare atheists’ score of 39% for naming the four gospels to 71% of evangelicals and 57% of Protestants. (I’m too am confused about why you’re choosing to cherry pick the subset of Catholics.)

You’ve also been told multiple times that this survey does not assess in-depth knowledge of any particular faith. The survey was never designed to do that, and you’re distorting it beyond recognition. These are extremely broad and shallow questions designed to assess broad knowledge of all faiths. The fact that 39% of atheists could name the four gospels says nothing about their knowledge of the message in the gospels. Some atheists may know that Ramadan is Islam’s holy month, but the survey never asked whether they know the five pillars of Islam. Some atheists may know that most South Indians are Hindu, but the survey didn’t ask if they know who Ganesh is. And so on and do on.

You’re distorting the survey beyond all recognition. You’re trying to make a general survey of broad knowledge into something it’s not, a survey of particular expertise in particular religions.

There are multiple posters. I’m the PP who mentioned the Catholic’s score. Only because someone posted that the atheists/agnostics scored “much, much worse” than others which wasn’t true. Why are YOU cherry picking evangelicals and Protestants?

Yes, the survey looks at broad knowledge of religion. And atheists/agnostics scored well. Which was exactly how the survey was presented. Nothing more. Nothing is being distorted or misrepresented.

Here was quote from that survey PP again:
“Actually, research shows that on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do. ”

And here is the first paragraph of the executive summary of the survey:
“Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons are among the highest-scoring groups on a new survey of religious knowledge, outperforming evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics on questions about the core teachings, history and leading figures of major world religions.”


You seem very disturbed by the results of this survey. Why is that?

So why the eff do you keep bringing up a survey you keep admitting is totally meaningless for any point you’re trying to make about atheists’ alleged knowledge of Christianity? Also, projecting about people being “disturbed” makes you look like a middle schooler.

I think you have some posters confused. I'm not trying to make a point about Christianity. Like the PP said, "on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do".

So you are not disturbed? Then why are you so hostile and calling people names?

First, you’re talking to multiple people here. Second, your constant ad hominems are beneath an adult, which I assume you are.

Third, your phrasing IMPLIES things that the study doesn’t support, by a long shot. You wouldn't cite the study of you didn’t want to create the impression that Pew thinks atheists have a relatively deep knowledge about Christianity and other religions. Nobody cites an irrelevant study “just because.”

Until you’re called out on it, like you were on this thread by several people.

Then you back down and admit the study only tests a very superficial knowledge across a number of religions.

Answer the question: If you admit it’s so worthless as an indicator of specific knowledge about any individual religion, why do you or someone else keep citing it? Seems pretty deceptive

Again, YOU are confusing posters.

Why aren't you calling out the PPs who are actually name-calling? Oh right, they're "Christians".

The survey is valuable because it demonstrates that atheists/agnostics are knowledgeable about religion in general. Which is exactly what was previously stated.

True statement:
"On average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do"

That is exactly what this survey shows.


Still waiting to hear from the PP who doesn't think she is disturbed, but resorts to name calling and hostility. If not "disturbed" then what?

“Religion in general” is pretty meaningless when the threshold is knowing where Jesus was born, that the Jewish sabbath starts on Friday, and that India is majority Hindu.

Once more with feeling: you (or others) are deceiving everybody by citing this study repeatedly on the Christian-bashing-thread-of-the-week to imply that atheists know a lot about Christianity (or about any other religion). The study never said that.

Don’t know where the pp you’re calling disturbed is, but her frustration with your insults and stonewalling is understandable.

I honestly don't care what Christians know or don't know. Or any other religious groups for that matter. I was just trying to point out that the PP who posted the survey didn't post anything misleading at all.

But since you are so stuck on this, I went back and looked at this again and, ON THIS SURVEY, atheists/agnostics (6.7) did happen to score better than christians (6.2). Protestants (6.5) and Catholics (5.4). The Mormons (7.9) really do know their sh1t. I just read "Educated" and don't find this surprising at all.



Again, I'm not drawing conclusions from that or trying to make a particular point. Just sharing the data from a survey of general religious knowledge.

Yawn. Nobody cares about these survey results, which don’t measure much of anything. They care about why the pp who posted thinks it was worthwhile posting at all. They care about whether she was trying to deceive by implying more than it actually said—until she was called out on it.

Where do you get that from "on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do"? Seems pretty straightforward to me.

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Why on earth are you limiting this to Catholics? Christians in general (50%) are better at naming the gospels than atheists (39%).

Atheists/agnostics had a higher number of correct answers than Christians overall. The last column on the right.

Because atheists did better on Old Testament questions.

Atheists bombed the questions about the New Testament—the basis of Christian faith. Compare atheists’ score of 39% for naming the four gospels to 71% of evangelicals and 57% of Protestants. (I’m too am confused about why you’re choosing to cherry pick the subset of Catholics.)

You’ve also been told multiple times that this survey does not assess in-depth knowledge of any particular faith. The survey was never designed to do that, and you’re distorting it beyond recognition. These are extremely broad and shallow questions designed to assess broad knowledge of all faiths. The fact that 39% of atheists could name the four gospels says nothing about their knowledge of the message in the gospels. Some atheists may know that Ramadan is Islam’s holy month, but the survey never asked whether they know the five pillars of Islam. Some atheists may know that most South Indians are Hindu, but the survey didn’t ask if they know who Ganesh is. And so on and do on.

You’re distorting the survey beyond all recognition. You’re trying to make a general survey of broad knowledge into something it’s not, a survey of particular expertise in particular religions.

There are multiple posters. I’m the PP who mentioned the Catholic’s score. Only because someone posted that the atheists/agnostics scored “much, much worse” than others which wasn’t true. Why are YOU cherry picking evangelicals and Protestants?

Yes, the survey looks at broad knowledge of religion. And atheists/agnostics scored well. Which was exactly how the survey was presented. Nothing more. Nothing is being distorted or misrepresented.

Here was quote from that survey PP again:
“Actually, research shows that on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do. ”

And here is the first paragraph of the executive summary of the survey:
“Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons are among the highest-scoring groups on a new survey of religious knowledge, outperforming evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics on questions about the core teachings, history and leading figures of major world religions.”


You seem very disturbed by the results of this survey. Why is that?

So why the eff do you keep bringing up a survey you keep admitting is totally meaningless for any point you’re trying to make about atheists’ alleged knowledge of Christianity? Also, projecting about people being “disturbed” makes you look like a middle schooler.

I think you have some posters confused. I'm not trying to make a point about Christianity. Like the PP said, "on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do".

So you are not disturbed? Then why are you so hostile and calling people names?

First, you’re talking to multiple people here. Second, your constant ad hominems are beneath an adult, which I assume you are.

Third, your phrasing IMPLIES things that the study doesn’t support, by a long shot. You wouldn't cite the study of you didn’t want to create the impression that Pew thinks atheists have a relatively deep knowledge about Christianity and other religions. Nobody cites an irrelevant study “just because.”

Until you’re called out on it, like you were on this thread by several people.

Then you back down and admit the study only tests a very superficial knowledge across a number of religions.

Answer the question: If you admit it’s so worthless as an indicator of specific knowledge about any individual religion, why do you or someone else keep citing it? Seems pretty deceptive

Again, YOU are confusing posters.

Why aren't you calling out the PPs who are actually name-calling? Oh right, they're "Christians".

The survey is valuable because it demonstrates that atheists/agnostics are knowledgeable about religion in general. Which is exactly what was previously stated.

True statement:
"On average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do"

That is exactly what this survey shows.


Still waiting to hear from the PP who doesn't think she is disturbed, but resorts to name calling and hostility. If not "disturbed" then what?

“Religion in general” is pretty meaningless when the threshold is knowing where Jesus was born, that the Jewish sabbath starts on Friday, and that India is majority Hindu.

Once more with feeling: you (or others) are deceiving everybody by citing this study repeatedly on the Christian-bashing-thread-of-the-week to imply that atheists know a lot about Christianity (or about any other religion). The study never said that.

Don’t know where the pp you’re calling disturbed is, but her frustration with your insults and stonewalling is understandable.

I honestly don't care what Christians know or don't know. Or any other religious groups for that matter. I was just trying to point out that the PP who posted the survey didn't post anything misleading at all.

But since you are so stuck on this, I went back and looked at this again and, ON THIS SURVEY, atheists/agnostics (6.7) did happen to score better than christians (6.2). Protestants (6.5) and Catholics (5.4). The Mormons (7.9) really do know their sh1t. I just read "Educated" and don't find this surprising at all.



Again, I'm not drawing conclusions from that or trying to make a particular point. Just sharing the data from a survey of general religious knowledge.

Yawn. Nobody cares about these survey results, which don’t measure much of anything. They care about why the pp who posted thinks it was worthwhile posting at all. They care about whether she was trying to deceive by implying more than it actually said—until she was called out on it.

Where do you get that from "on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do"? Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Because, as others here have said, this is a really broad test of really basic knowledge of all religions. Not a test of specific knowledge of any particular religion. Which the pp who likes to cite it never, ever specifies.

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Why on earth are you limiting this to Catholics? Christians in general (50%) are better at naming the gospels than atheists (39%).

Atheists/agnostics had a higher number of correct answers than Christians overall. The last column on the right.

Because atheists did better on Old Testament questions.

Atheists bombed the questions about the New Testament—the basis of Christian faith. Compare atheists’ score of 39% for naming the four gospels to 71% of evangelicals and 57% of Protestants. (I’m too am confused about why you’re choosing to cherry pick the subset of Catholics.)

You’ve also been told multiple times that this survey does not assess in-depth knowledge of any particular faith. The survey was never designed to do that, and you’re distorting it beyond recognition. These are extremely broad and shallow questions designed to assess broad knowledge of all faiths. The fact that 39% of atheists could name the four gospels says nothing about their knowledge of the message in the gospels. Some atheists may know that Ramadan is Islam’s holy month, but the survey never asked whether they know the five pillars of Islam. Some atheists may know that most South Indians are Hindu, but the survey didn’t ask if they know who Ganesh is. And so on and do on.

You’re distorting the survey beyond all recognition. You’re trying to make a general survey of broad knowledge into something it’s not, a survey of particular expertise in particular religions.

There are multiple posters. I’m the PP who mentioned the Catholic’s score. Only because someone posted that the atheists/agnostics scored “much, much worse” than others which wasn’t true. Why are YOU cherry picking evangelicals and Protestants?

Yes, the survey looks at broad knowledge of religion. And atheists/agnostics scored well. Which was exactly how the survey was presented. Nothing more. Nothing is being distorted or misrepresented.

Here was quote from that survey PP again:
“Actually, research shows that on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do. ”

And here is the first paragraph of the executive summary of the survey:
“Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons are among the highest-scoring groups on a new survey of religious knowledge, outperforming evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics on questions about the core teachings, history and leading figures of major world religions.”


You seem very disturbed by the results of this survey. Why is that?

So why the eff do you keep bringing up a survey you keep admitting is totally meaningless for any point you’re trying to make about atheists’ alleged knowledge of Christianity? Also, projecting about people being “disturbed” makes you look like a middle schooler.

I think you have some posters confused. I'm not trying to make a point about Christianity. Like the PP said, "on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do".

So you are not disturbed? Then why are you so hostile and calling people names?

First, you’re talking to multiple people here. Second, your constant ad hominems are beneath an adult, which I assume you are.

Third, your phrasing IMPLIES things that the study doesn’t support, by a long shot. You wouldn't cite the study of you didn’t want to create the impression that Pew thinks atheists have a relatively deep knowledge about Christianity and other religions. Nobody cites an irrelevant study “just because.”

Until you’re called out on it, like you were on this thread by several people.

Then you back down and admit the study only tests a very superficial knowledge across a number of religions.

Answer the question: If you admit it’s so worthless as an indicator of specific knowledge about any individual religion, why do you or someone else keep citing it? Seems pretty deceptive

Again, YOU are confusing posters.

Why aren't you calling out the PPs who are actually name-calling? Oh right, they're "Christians".

The survey is valuable because it demonstrates that atheists/agnostics are knowledgeable about religion in general. Which is exactly what was previously stated.

True statement:
"On average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do"

That is exactly what this survey shows.


Still waiting to hear from the PP who doesn't think she is disturbed, but resorts to name calling and hostility. If not "disturbed" then what?

“Religion in general” is pretty meaningless when the threshold is knowing where Jesus was born, that the Jewish sabbath starts on Friday, and that India is majority Hindu.

Once more with feeling: you (or others) are deceiving everybody by citing this study repeatedly on the Christian-bashing-thread-of-the-week to imply that atheists know a lot about Christianity (or about any other religion). The study never said that.

Don’t know where the pp you’re calling disturbed is, but her frustration with your insults and stonewalling is understandable.

I honestly don't care what Christians know or don't know. Or any other religious groups for that matter. I was just trying to point out that the PP who posted the survey didn't post anything misleading at all.

But since you are so stuck on this, I went back and looked at this again and, ON THIS SURVEY, atheists/agnostics (6.7) did happen to score better than christians (6.2). Protestants (6.5) and Catholics (5.4). The Mormons (7.9) really do know their sh1t. I just read "Educated" and don't find this surprising at all.



Again, I'm not drawing conclusions from that or trying to make a particular point. Just sharing the data from a survey of general religious knowledge.

Yawn. Nobody cares about these survey results, which don’t measure much of anything. They care about why the pp who posted thinks it was worthwhile posting at all. They care about whether she was trying to deceive by implying more than it actually said—until she was called out on it.

Where do you get that from "on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do"? Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Because, as others here have said, this is a really broad test of really basic knowledge of all religions. Not a test of specific knowledge of any particular religion. Which the pp who likes to cite it never, ever specifies.

And? Did that PP specifically call out a particular religion? It's pretty clear what this survey is...not sure how you'd interpret it any differently.

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And? Did that PP specifically call out a particular religion? It's pretty clear what this survey is...not sure how you'd interpret it any differently.

That wasn’t the first mention of the Pew survey on this thread. The first mention comes on page 11 st 15:08.

There, an atheist responds to a post about atheists having a hard time understanding *Christianity* with a reference and link to this survey. The atheist was quite clearly claiming that atheists in general have a good understanding of Christianity. When in fact the survey says only 39% of atheists can name all 4 gospels, let alone what’s in them, which wasn’t asked. (Where atheists make it up is in their knowledge of basic facts about Hindustan, Jidiaism, and Islam.)

So yes, an atheist was incorrectly using the Pew story to claim atheists have a supposed good understanding of Christianity.

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And? Did that PP specifically call out a particular religion? It's pretty clear what this survey is...not sure how you'd interpret it any differently.

That wasn’t the first mention of the Pew survey on this thread. The first mention comes on page 11 st 15:08.

There, an atheist responds to a post about atheists having a hard time understanding *Christianity* with a reference and link to this survey. The atheist was quite clearly claiming that atheists in general have a good understanding of Christianity. When in fact the survey says only 39% of atheists can name all 4 gospels, let alone what’s in them, which wasn’t asked. (Where atheists make it up is in their knowledge of basic facts about Hindustan, Jidiaism, and Islam.)

So yes, an atheist was incorrectly using the Pew story to claim atheists have a supposed good understanding of Christianity.

OK. And Atheists/Agnostics still did better on the Christianity questions on this general survey that the Christians did. 6.7 questions correct over 6.2. So maybe that PP wasn't so far off. If Christians know so much about their own religion then why did they get fewer questions correct on this general survey?




And please feel free to provide a different (better?) source if you are trying to make a different point.

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So 19% of Protestants knew the correct answer for the protestant question. And 22% of Atheists/Agnostics got that right. Ha.

And only 55% of Catholics know that bread/wine become body/blood? Even **I** knew that.


Sounds like there is a lot of ignorance all around. And seems like Atheists/Agnostics aren't alone in their "hard time understanding Christianity".

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And? Did that PP specifically call out a particular religion? It's pretty clear what this survey is...not sure how you'd interpret it any differently.

That wasn’t the first mention of the Pew survey on this thread. The first mention comes on page 11 st 15:08.

There, an atheist responds to a post about atheists having a hard time understanding *Christianity* with a reference and link to this survey. The atheist was quite clearly claiming that atheists in general have a good understanding of Christianity. When in fact the survey says only 39% of atheists can name all 4 gospels, let alone what’s in them, which wasn’t asked. (Where atheists make it up is in their knowledge of basic facts about Hindustan, Jidiaism, and Islam.)

So yes, an atheist was incorrectly using the Pew story to claim atheists have a supposed good understanding of Christianity.

OK. And Atheists/Agnostics still did better on the Christianity questions on this general survey that the Christians did. 6.7 questions correct over 6.2. So maybe that PP wasn't so far off. If Christians know so much about their own religion then why did they get fewer questions correct on this general survey?




And please feel free to provide a different (better?) source if you are trying to make a different point.

You must be the pp who originally posted this, still trying to defend it.

Why did you include this table and not the table with the gospels question? Where only 39% of atheists could name the 4 gospels, vs. 70-71% of evangelicals and Mormons, and 50% of all Christians?

In any case, on the table you did include, Catholics (55%) did much better than atheists (44%) on the question about Catholic beliefs about communion. Protestants didn’t do well on that question, but why would they. And why do you think it’s relevant that atheists are more likely to know Mother Theresa was Catholic (maybe they all read Sam Harris’ hatchet job on her) or that Martin Luther started the Reformation (tell me why he posted his 95 theses and I’ll be a little more impressed).

In both cases, less than half of atheists (the median is 0) could answer a basic question (no deeper understanding required) about Catholic beliefs or the names of the gospels.

So yeah, 15:08 on page 11 (you?) was using this study to deceive other posters into thinking atheists have some sort of “in depth” knowledge of Christianity specifically.

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And please feel free to provide a different (better?) source if you are trying to make a different point.

Here you go, from Pew again: “US Protestants are not defined by Reformation-era controversies 500 years later. Protestants are divided on whether faith alone gets a person into heaven. US Protestants are divided over whether faith alone or faith plus good works are needed for eternal life.”

https://www.pewforum.org/2017/08/31/u-s-protestants-are-not-defined-by-reformation-era-controversies-500-years-later/pf_08-31-17_usreformation-00-02/

This is from 2017. The survey atheist pp keeps posting is from 2010, so maybe Pew got blowback on the 2010 survey question? I know plenty of Protestants—Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians—who even turn this on its head and say good works can get a non-believer into heaven. With the support of their ministers/pastors/priests.

Which just makes atheist pp’s heavy use of this survey even more ridiculous.

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And please feel free to provide a different (better?) source if you are trying to make a different point.

Here you go, from Pew again: “US Protestants are not defined by Reformation-era controversies 500 years later. Protestants are divided on whether faith alone gets a person into heaven. US Protestants are divided over whether faith alone or faith plus good works are needed for eternal life.”

https://www.pewforum.org/2017/08/31/u-s-protestants-are-not-defined-by-reformation-era-controversies-500-years-later/pf_08-31-17_usreformation-00-02/

This is from 2017. The survey atheist pp keeps posting is from 2010, so maybe Pew got blowback on the 2010 survey question? I know plenty of Protestants—Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians—who even turn this on its head and say good works can get a non-believer into heaven. With the support of their ministers/pastors/priests.

Which just makes atheist pp’s heavy use of this survey even more ridiculous.

Clarification before this inevitably gets twisted: “support of their priests/ministers/pastors” was meant to apply to the believers who think good works are important, not to the non-believers.

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And? Did that PP specifically call out a particular religion? It's pretty clear what this survey is...not sure how you'd interpret it any differently.

That wasn’t the first mention of the Pew survey on this thread. The first mention comes on page 11 st 15:08.

There, an atheist responds to a post about atheists having a hard time understanding *Christianity* with a reference and link to this survey. The atheist was quite clearly claiming that atheists in general have a good understanding of Christianity. When in fact the survey says only 39% of atheists can name all 4 gospels, let alone what’s in them, which wasn’t asked. (Where atheists make it up is in their knowledge of basic facts about Hindustan, Jidiaism, and Islam.)

So yes, an atheist was incorrectly using the Pew story to claim atheists have a supposed good understanding of Christianity.

OK. And Atheists/Agnostics still did better on the Christianity questions on this general survey that the Christians did. 6.7 questions correct over 6.2. So maybe that PP wasn't so far off. If Christians know so much about their own religion then why did they get fewer questions correct on this general survey?




And please feel free to provide a different (better?) source if you are trying to make a different point.

You must be the pp who originally posted this, still trying to defend it.

Why did you include this table and not the table with the gospels question? Where only 39% of atheists could name the 4 gospels, vs. 70-71% of evangelicals and Mormons, and 50% of all Christians?

In any case, on the table you did include, Catholics (55%) did much better than atheists (44%) on the question about Catholic beliefs about communion. Protestants didn’t do well on that question, but why would they. And why do you think it’s relevant that atheists are more likely to know Mother Theresa was Catholic (maybe they all read Sam Harris’ hatchet job on her) or that Martin Luther started the Reformation (tell me why he posted his 95 theses and I’ll be a little more impressed).

In both cases, less than half of atheists (the median is 0) could answer a basic question (no deeper understanding required) about Catholic beliefs or the names of the gospels.

So yeah, 15:08 on page 11 (you?) was using this study to deceive other posters into thinking atheists have some sort of “in depth” knowledge of Christianity specifically.

The gospel question is one of the 12 questions included on Christianity. See the comment at the bottom.

I wasn't the 15:08 poster on page 11. And that poster didn't say "in-depth".

And to recap:
- 19% of Protestants knew the correct answer for the protestant question. (As compared to 22% of Atheists/Agnostics who got that right. Ha.)
- And only 55% of Catholics know that bread/wine become body/blood? Very basic thing here. Even **I** know this.

Atheists/Agnostics aren't alone in their "hard time understanding Christianity". Aside from the evangelicals and Mormons, a lot of Christians didn't do well on the VERY BASIC questions about Christianity.

So it's very interesting that all animosity is directed towards atheists/agnostics.

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And? Did that PP specifically call out a particular religion? It's pretty clear what this survey is...not sure how you'd interpret it any differently.

That wasn’t the first mention of the Pew survey on this thread. The first mention comes on page 11 st 15:08.

There, an atheist responds to a post about atheists having a hard time understanding *Christianity* with a reference and link to this survey. The atheist was quite clearly claiming that atheists in general have a good understanding of Christianity. When in fact the survey says only 39% of atheists can name all 4 gospels, let alone what’s in them, which wasn’t asked. (Where atheists make it up is in their knowledge of basic facts about Hindustan, Jidiaism, and Islam.)

So yes, an atheist was incorrectly using the Pew story to claim atheists have a supposed good understanding of Christianity.

OK. And Atheists/Agnostics still did better on the Christianity questions on this general survey that the Christians did. 6.7 questions correct over 6.2. So maybe that PP wasn't so far off. If Christians know so much about their own religion then why did they get fewer questions correct on this general survey?




And please feel free to provide a different (better?) source if you are trying to make a different point.

You must be the pp who originally posted this, still trying to defend it.

Why did you include this table and not the table with the gospels question? Where only 39% of atheists could name the 4 gospels, vs. 70-71% of evangelicals and Mormons, and 50% of all Christians?

In any case, on the table you did include, Catholics (55%) did much better than atheists (44%) on the question about Catholic beliefs about communion. Protestants didn’t do well on that question, but why would they. And why do you think it’s relevant that atheists are more likely to know Mother Theresa was Catholic (maybe they all read Sam Harris’ hatchet job on her) or that Martin Luther started the Reformation (tell me why he posted his 95 theses and I’ll be a little more impressed).

In both cases, less than half of atheists (the median is 0) could answer a basic question (no deeper understanding required) about Catholic beliefs or the names of the gospels.

So yeah, 15:08 on page 11 (you?) was using this study to deceive other posters into thinking atheists have some sort of “in depth” knowledge of Christianity specifically.

The gospel question is one of the 12 questions included on Christianity. See the comment at the bottom.

I wasn't the 15:08 poster on page 11. And that poster didn't say "in-depth".

And to recap:
- 19% of Protestants knew the correct answer for the protestant question. (As compared to 22% of Atheists/Agnostics who got that right. Ha.)
- And only 55% of Catholics know that bread/wine become body/blood? Very basic thing here. Even **I** know this.

Atheists/Agnostics aren't alone in their "hard time understanding Christianity". Aside from the evangelicals and Mormons, a lot of Christians didn't do well on the VERY BASIC questions about Christianity.

So it's very interesting that all animosity is directed towards atheists/agnostics.

Do you read the other posts? It doesn’t seem so.

To help you, here’s a more complete recap than your endless spin masquerading as a “recap.”

—Who is using the words “in depth”? Nobody but you.

—In your 15:08 post, you were addressing a claim that atheists didn’t understand Christianity. You claimed the 2010 Pew survey proved otherwise. In fact, it proved that less than half of atheists (39%) can name all four gospels; less than half of atheists (41%) could answer the Catholic trans-substantiation question, and more Catholics got that question right. So, prima facie evidence that you flung the Pew link out there to as a reply to somebody doubting atheist knowledge of Christianity, and you hoped nobody would check and find you were misrepresenting it.

—Pew recognized the 2010 Protestant question was flawed, as evidenced by their revised 2017 survey question. As shown the post right above your post, which you clearly couldn’t be bothered to read.

Cheers

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And? Did that PP specifically call out a particular religion? It's pretty clear what this survey is...not sure how you'd interpret it any differently.

That wasn’t the first mention of the Pew survey on this thread. The first mention comes on page 11 st 15:08.

There, an atheist responds to a post about atheists having a hard time understanding *Christianity* with a reference and link to this survey. The atheist was quite clearly claiming that atheists in general have a good understanding of Christianity. When in fact the survey says only 39% of atheists can name all 4 gospels, let alone what’s in them, which wasn’t asked. (Where atheists make it up is in their knowledge of basic facts about Hindustan, Jidiaism, and Islam.)

So yes, an atheist was incorrectly using the Pew story to claim atheists have a supposed good understanding of Christianity.

OK. And Atheists/Agnostics still did better on the Christianity questions on this general survey that the Christians did. 6.7 questions correct over 6.2. So maybe that PP wasn't so far off. If Christians know so much about their own religion then why did they get fewer questions correct on this general survey?




And please feel free to provide a different (better?) source if you are trying to make a different point.

You must be the pp who originally posted this, still trying to defend it.

Why did you include this table and not the table with the gospels question? Where only 39% of atheists could name the 4 gospels, vs. 70-71% of evangelicals and Mormons, and 50% of all Christians?

In any case, on the table you did include, Catholics (55%) did much better than atheists (44%) on the question about Catholic beliefs about communion. Protestants didn’t do well on that question, but why would they. And why do you think it’s relevant that atheists are more likely to know Mother Theresa was Catholic (maybe they all read Sam Harris’ hatchet job on her) or that Martin Luther started the Reformation (tell me why he posted his 95 theses and I’ll be a little more impressed).

In both cases, less than half of atheists (the median is 0) could answer a basic question (no deeper understanding required) about Catholic beliefs or the names of the gospels.

So yeah, 15:08 on page 11 (you?) was using this study to deceive other posters into thinking atheists have some sort of “in depth” knowledge of Christianity specifically.

The gospel question is one of the 12 questions included on Christianity. See the comment at the bottom.

I wasn't the 15:08 poster on page 11. And that poster didn't say "in-depth".

And to recap:
- 19% of Protestants knew the correct answer for the protestant question. (As compared to 22% of Atheists/Agnostics who got that right. Ha.)
- And only 55% of Catholics know that bread/wine become body/blood? Very basic thing here. Even **I** know this.

Atheists/Agnostics aren't alone in their "hard time understanding Christianity". Aside from the evangelicals and Mormons, a lot of Christians didn't do well on the VERY BASIC questions about Christianity.

So it's very interesting that all animosity is directed towards atheists/agnostics.

Do you read the other posts? It doesn’t seem so.

To help you, here’s a more complete recap than your endless spin masquerading as a “recap.”

—Who is using the words “in depth”? Nobody but you.

—In your 15:08 post, you were addressing a claim that atheists didn’t understand Christianity. You claimed the 2010 Pew survey proved otherwise. In fact, it proved that less than half of atheists (39%) can name all four gospels; less than half of atheists (41%) could answer the Catholic trans-substantiation question, and more Catholics got that question right. So, prima facie evidence that you flung the Pew link out there to as a reply to somebody doubting atheist knowledge of Christianity, and you hoped nobody would check and find you were misrepresenting it.

—Pew recognized the 2010 Protestant question was flawed, as evidenced by their revised 2017 survey question. As shown the post right above your post, which you clearly couldn’t be bothered to read.

Cheers

1. Pew person used "in-depth" - as in, the survey is NOT in-depth. No one has disagreed. But as far as I can see she brought it up.
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/150/802593.page#15078633

2. I didn't post 15:08 (ask Jeff), but the survey does show that atheists/agnostics did score better (6.7) than christians (6.2) so it seems this survey does support 15:08's comments.

3. OK. So? That was one of twelve questions.

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(I'm starting to understand why Christians didn't do well on the survey...)