Christians are 'most persecuted group'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


The gospel question is one of the 12 questions included on Christianity. See the comment at the bottom.

I wasn't the 15:08 poster on page 11. And that poster didn't say "in-depth".

And to recap:
- 19% of Protestants knew the correct answer for the protestant question. (As compared to 22% of Atheists/Agnostics who got that right. Ha.)
- And only 55% of Catholics know that bread/wine become body/blood? Very basic thing here. Even **I** know this.

Atheists/Agnostics aren't alone in their "hard time understanding Christianity". Aside from the evangelicals and Mormons, a lot of Christians didn't do well on the VERY BASIC questions about Christianity.

So it's very interesting that all animosity is directed towards atheists/agnostics.

The animosity is directed at YOU for misrepresenting the Pew survey as showing atheists have a good knowledge of Christianity. Your actual words in your 15:08 reply were, “Actually, these days, most atheists were raised in a religion, so know a lot about religion, first hand.” Then you linked to the Pew report and claimed it supported your contention that atheists “know a lot about religion.” It doesn’t support that at all—more than half of atheists flunked most questions about Christianity. You were hoping nobody would figure that out, weren’t you?

You also attract animosity for twisting your own post at 15:08. In that post, you were responding to somebody who said “atheists have a hard time understanding Christianity.” Your 15:08 reply directly addressed the “atheists don’t understand Christianity” poster with your “atheists have good knowledge of religion” wording. Now you’re trying your darndest to say that was a “who knows more” debate. It wasn’t, and it’s unfortunate for you that anybody can go back to page 11 of this thread and see what you actually wrote.

Also, it was stupid to link to this particular survey. It asked only the most basic questions about MANY religions. If you wanted to rebut the “atheists don’t understand Christianity” poster honestly, you should have found a survey that showed atheists actually DO understand Christianity.

You’re the problem. Not atheists in general, despite your silly attempt to play the victim card.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:(I'm starting to understand why Christians didn't do well on the survey...)

Logic and facts are not important =- it's all about faith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


The gospel question is one of the 12 questions included on Christianity. See the comment at the bottom.

I wasn't the 15:08 poster on page 11. And that poster didn't say "in-depth".

And to recap:
- 19% of Protestants knew the correct answer for the protestant question. (As compared to 22% of Atheists/Agnostics who got that right. Ha.)
- And only 55% of Catholics know that bread/wine become body/blood? Very basic thing here. Even **I** know this.

Atheists/Agnostics aren't alone in their "hard time understanding Christianity". Aside from the evangelicals and Mormons, a lot of Christians didn't do well on the VERY BASIC questions about Christianity.

So it's very interesting that all animosity is directed towards atheists/agnostics.

The animosity is directed at YOU for misrepresenting the Pew survey as showing atheists have a good knowledge of Christianity. Your actual words in your 15:08 reply were, “Actually, these days, most atheists were raised in a religion, so know a lot about religion, first hand.” Then you linked to the Pew report and claimed it supported your contention that atheists “know a lot about religion.” It doesn’t support that at all—more than half of atheists flunked most questions about Christianity. You were hoping nobody would figure that out, weren’t you?

You also attract animosity for twisting your own post at 15:08. In that post, you were responding to somebody who said “atheists have a hard time understanding Christianity.” Your 15:08 reply directly addressed the “atheists don’t understand Christianity” poster with your “atheists have good knowledge of religion” wording. Now you’re trying your darndest to say that was a “who knows more” debate. It wasn’t, and it’s unfortunate for you that anybody can go back to page 11 of this thread and see what you actually wrote.

Also, it was stupid to link to this particular survey. It asked only the most basic questions about MANY religions. If you wanted to rebut the “atheists don’t understand Christianity” poster honestly, you should have found a survey that showed atheists actually DO understand Christianity.

You’re the problem. Not atheists in general, despite your silly attempt to play the victim card.

1. For the third time, I'm not the 15:08 poster on page 11. Feel free to ask Jeff.

2. And that poster did NOT misrepresent the survey. Atheists/Agnostics scored BETTER than Christians on the Christianity section so they know at least at as much as Christians.

3. I think you've mixed up your time stamps. Unless you really were referring to just that one post? Feel free to repost.

[Anonymous]

If fewer than half of atheists can answer extremely basic questions about Christianity and other religions, then it’s totally irrelevant if even just 1% of Christians can answer the same questions.

Atheist pp’s obsessive posting about how much atheists understand religion is so bogus and disengenuous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If fewer than half of atheists can answer extremely basic questions about Christianity and other religions, then it’s totally irrelevant if even just 1% of Christians can answer the same questions.

Atheist pp’s obsessive posting about how much atheists understand religion is so bogus and disengenuous.

Why is that irrelevant? Wouldn't that be the baseline for how much someone understands religion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


The gospel question is one of the 12 questions included on Christianity. See the comment at the bottom.

I wasn't the 15:08 poster on page 11. And that poster didn't say "in-depth".

And to recap:
- 19% of Protestants knew the correct answer for the protestant question. (As compared to 22% of Atheists/Agnostics who got that right. Ha.)
- And only 55% of Catholics know that bread/wine become body/blood? Very basic thing here. Even **I** know this.

Atheists/Agnostics aren't alone in their "hard time understanding Christianity". Aside from the evangelicals and Mormons, a lot of Christians didn't do well on the VERY BASIC questions about Christianity.

So it's very interesting that all animosity is directed towards atheists/agnostics.

The animosity is directed at YOU for misrepresenting the Pew survey as showing atheists have a good knowledge of Christianity. Your actual words in your 15:08 reply were, “Actually, these days, most atheists were raised in a religion, so know a lot about religion, first hand.” Then you linked to the Pew report and claimed it supported your contention that atheists “know a lot about religion.” It doesn’t support that at all—more than half of atheists flunked most questions about Christianity. You were hoping nobody would figure that out, weren’t you?

You also attract animosity for twisting your own post at 15:08. In that post, you were responding to somebody who said “atheists have a hard time understanding Christianity.” Your 15:08 reply directly addressed the “atheists don’t understand Christianity” poster with your “atheists have good knowledge of religion” wording. Now you’re trying your darndest to say that was a “who knows more” debate. It wasn’t, and it’s unfortunate for you that anybody can go back to page 11 of this thread and see what you actually wrote.

Also, it was stupid to link to this particular survey. It asked only the most basic questions about MANY religions. If you wanted to rebut the “atheists don’t understand Christianity” poster honestly, you should have found a survey that showed atheists actually DO understand Christianity.

You’re the problem. Not atheists in general, despite your silly attempt to play the victim card.

1. For the third time, I'm not the 15:08 poster on page 11. Feel free to ask Jeff.

2. And that poster did NOT misrepresent the survey. Atheists/Agnostics scored BETTER than Christians on the Christianity section so they know at least at as much as Christians.

3. I think you've mixed up your time stamps. Unless you really were referring to just that one post? Feel free to repost.

For the fourth time, you and 15:08 are redefining the question 15:08 was actually addressing. That’s not cricket. 15:08 was addressing a poster who claimed atheists don’t understand Christianity. 15:08’s reply was that atheists do understand religion, and here’s a pew survey to prove their BASIC MNOWLESGE (oops, the survey showed most atheists failed most specific tests on religion).

Time to shut this thread down.

[Anonymous]

Well yay? The next time atheist pp pulls out the Pew survey—which will be soon, because I’ve seen her whip it out on many different threads—we’ll all be well versed on how it doesn’t support whatever contention she’s making about how atheists understand religion so well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


The gospel question is one of the 12 questions included on Christianity. See the comment at the bottom.

I wasn't the 15:08 poster on page 11. And that poster didn't say "in-depth".

And to recap:
- 19% of Protestants knew the correct answer for the protestant question. (As compared to 22% of Atheists/Agnostics who got that right. Ha.)
- And only 55% of Catholics know that bread/wine become body/blood? Very basic thing here. Even **I** know this.

Atheists/Agnostics aren't alone in their "hard time understanding Christianity". Aside from the evangelicals and Mormons, a lot of Christians didn't do well on the VERY BASIC questions about Christianity.

So it's very interesting that all animosity is directed towards atheists/agnostics.

The animosity is directed at YOU for misrepresenting the Pew survey as showing atheists have a good knowledge of Christianity. Your actual words in your 15:08 reply were, “Actually, these days, most atheists were raised in a religion, so know a lot about religion, first hand.” Then you linked to the Pew report and claimed it supported your contention that atheists “know a lot about religion.” It doesn’t support that at all—more than half of atheists flunked most questions about Christianity. You were hoping nobody would figure that out, weren’t you?

You also attract animosity for twisting your own post at 15:08. In that post, you were responding to somebody who said “atheists have a hard time understanding Christianity.” Your 15:08 reply directly addressed the “atheists don’t understand Christianity” poster with your “atheists have good knowledge of religion” wording. Now you’re trying your darndest to say that was a “who knows more” debate. It wasn’t, and it’s unfortunate for you that anybody can go back to page 11 of this thread and see what you actually wrote.

Also, it was stupid to link to this particular survey. It asked only the most basic questions about MANY religions. If you wanted to rebut the “atheists don’t understand Christianity” poster honestly, you should have found a survey that showed atheists actually DO understand Christianity.

You’re the problem. Not atheists in general, despite your silly attempt to play the victim card.

1. For the third time, I'm not the 15:08 poster on page 11. Feel free to ask Jeff.

2. And that poster did NOT misrepresent the survey. Atheists/Agnostics scored BETTER than Christians on the Christianity section so they know at least at as much as Christians.

3. I think you've mixed up your time stamps. Unless you really were referring to just that one post? Feel free to repost.

You’re arguing with 15:08’s actual words, that “atheists know a lot about religion” and Pew has proof?

Um, okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If fewer than half of atheists can answer extremely basic questions about Christianity and other religions, then it’s totally irrelevant if even just 1% of Christians can answer the same questions.

Atheist pp’s obsessive posting about how much atheists understand religion is so bogus and disengenuous.

Why is that irrelevant? Wouldn't that be the baseline for how much someone understands religion?

It’s irrelevant to the claim that “atheists know a lot about religion” in 15:08’s post.

C’mon people, this is basic reading skills.

[Anonymous]

The NY Times and Time magazine (among other news outlets) also reported on the 2010 Pew Study.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html
Those who scored the highest were atheists and agnostics, as well as two religious minorities: Jews and Mormons. The results were the same even after the researchers controlled for factors like age and racial differences.

“Even after all these other factors, including education, are taken into account, atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons still outperform all the other religious groups in our survey,” said Greg Smith, a senior researcher at Pew.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/28/survey-atheists-know-more-about-religion-than-believers/
“Why did atheists do so well? The study concluded that those who reject faith often do so after growing up in a religious household, and studying and deliberating keeping the faith. Also, atheists and agnostics tend to be better educated in general. Why did Christians do so poorly? It may be because once someone accepts a faith, they stop examining it.”


Time for a new survey! It’s been almost ten years now and I bet religious people have studying like crazy to improve their scores.

Just reading this thread, it’s obvious how embarrassed some religious people are about being beat out by atheists and agnostics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NY Times and Time magazine (among other news outlets) also reported on the 2010 Pew Study.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html
Those who scored the highest were atheists and agnostics, as well as two religious minorities: Jews and Mormons. The results were the same even after the researchers controlled for factors like age and racial differences.

“Even after all these other factors, including education, are taken into account, atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons still outperform all the other religious groups in our survey,” said Greg Smith, a senior researcher at Pew.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/28/survey-atheists-know-more-about-religion-than-believers/
“Why did atheists do so well? The study concluded that those who reject faith often do so after growing up in a religious household, and studying and deliberating keeping the faith. Also, atheists and agnostics tend to be better educated in general. Why did Christians do so poorly? It may be because once someone accepts a faith, they stop examining it.”


Time for a new survey! It’s been almost ten years now and I bet religious people have studying like crazy to improve their scores.

Just reading this thread, it’s obvious how embarrassed some religious people are about being beat out by atheists and agnostics.

Thanks for all the typing... but they’re not reporting on the claim at 15:08, that atheists “know a lot about religion.” Nor does either of them say that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well yay? The next time atheist pp pulls out the Pew survey—which will be soon, because I’ve seen her whip it out on many different threads—we’ll all be well versed on how it doesn’t support whatever contention she’s making about how atheists understand religion so well.

Yes, 15:08 can now say “atheists/agnostics know A LITTLE MORE about the basics of Christianity than Christians do and A LOT MORE about the basics of world religions than Christians”. Maybe Jeff can just pin that comment up at the top so we don’t need to rehash it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If fewer than half of atheists can answer extremely basic questions about Christianity and other religions, then it’s totally irrelevant if even just 1% of Christians can answer the same questions.

Atheist pp’s obsessive posting about how much atheists understand religion is so bogus and disengenuous.

Why is that irrelevant? Wouldn't that be the baseline for how much someone understands religion?

It’s irrelevant to the claim that “atheists know a lot about religion” in 15:08’s post.

C’mon people, this is basic reading skills.

Seems like they do.

¯\_(?)_/¯

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NY Times and Time magazine (among other news outlets) also reported on the 2010 Pew Study.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html
Those who scored the highest were atheists and agnostics, as well as two religious minorities: Jews and Mormons. The results were the same even after the researchers controlled for factors like age and racial differences.

“Even after all these other factors, including education, are taken into account, atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons still outperform all the other religious groups in our survey,” said Greg Smith, a senior researcher at Pew.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/28/survey-atheists-know-more-about-religion-than-believers/
“Why did atheists do so well? The study concluded that those who reject faith often do so after growing up in a religious household, and studying and deliberating keeping the faith. Also, atheists and agnostics tend to be better educated in general. Why did Christians do so poorly? It may be because once someone accepts a faith, they stop examining it.”


Time for a new survey! It’s been almost ten years now and I bet religious people have studying like crazy to improve their scores.

Just reading this thread, it’s obvious how embarrassed some religious people are about being beat out by atheists and agnostics.

Scored higher =\= “knows a lot about” as claimed by 15:08.
Outperformed =\= “knows a lot about.”

As Pew clearly showed, fewer than half of atheists could answer the most basic questions about Christianity.

What exactly is wrong with your reading comprehension?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If fewer than half of atheists can answer extremely basic questions about Christianity and other religions, then it’s totally irrelevant if even just 1% of Christians can answer the same questions.

Atheist pp’s obsessive posting about how much atheists understand religion is so bogus and disengenuous.

Why is that irrelevant? Wouldn't that be the baseline for how much someone understands religion?

It’s irrelevant to the claim that “atheists know a lot about religion” in 15:08’s post.

C’mon people, this is basic reading skills.

Seems like they do.

¯\_(?)_/¯

They don’t. Pew says 39% of atheists could name all 4 gospels.