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Why on earth are you limiting this to Catholics?  Christians in general (50%) are better at naming the gospels than atheists (39%). [/quote]
Atheists/agnostics had a higher number of correct answers than Christians overall. The last column on the right.[/quote]

Because atheists did better on Old Testament questions.

Atheists bombed the questions about the New Testament—the basis of Christian faith. [b]Compare atheists’ score of 39% for naming the four gospels to 71% of evangelicals and 57% of Protestants. [/b](I’m too am confused about why you’re choosing to cherry pick the subset of Catholics.)

You’ve also been told multiple times that this survey does not assess in-depth knowledge of any particular faith. The survey was never designed to do that, and you’re distorting it beyond recognition. These are extremely broad and shallow questions designed to assess broad knowledge of all faiths. The fact that 39% of atheists could name the four gospels says nothing about their knowledge of the message in the gospels. Some atheists may know that Ramadan is Islam’s holy month, but the survey never asked whether they know the five pillars of Islam. Some atheists may know that most South Indians are Hindu, but the survey didn’t ask if they know who Ganesh is. And so on and do on.

You’re distorting the survey beyond all recognition. You’re trying to make a general survey of broad knowledge into something it’s not, a survey of particular expertise in particular religions. [/quote]

There are multiple posters. I’m the PP who mentioned the Catholic’s score. Only because someone posted that the atheists/agnostics scored “much, much worse” than others which wasn’t true. Why are YOU cherry picking evangelicals and Protestants?

Yes, the survey looks at broad knowledge of religion. And atheists/agnostics scored well. Which was exactly how the survey was presented. Nothing more. Nothing is being distorted or misrepresented.

Here was quote from that survey PP again:
[i]“Actually, research shows that on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do. ”[/i]

And here is the first paragraph of the executive summary of the survey: 
[i]“Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons are among the highest-scoring groups on a new survey of religious knowledge, outperforming evangelical Protestants, mainline Protestants and Catholics on questions about the core teachings, history and leading figures of major world religions.”[/i]

You seem very disturbed by the results of this survey. Why is that?

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So why the eff do you keep bringing up a survey you keep admitting is totally meaningless for any point you’re trying to make about atheists’ alleged knowledge of Christianity? Also, projecting about people being “disturbed” makes you look like a middle schooler. [/quote]

I think you have some posters confused. I'm not trying to make a point about Christianity. Like the PP said, "on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do".

So you are not disturbed? Then why are you so hostile and calling people names?

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First, you’re talking to multiple people here. Second, your constant ad hominems are beneath an adult, which I assume you are.

Third, your phrasing IMPLIES things that the study doesn’t support, by a long shot. You wouldn't cite the study of you didn’t want to create the impression that Pew thinks atheists have a relatively deep knowledge about Christianity and other religions. Nobody cites an irrelevant study “just because.”

Until you’re called out on it, like you were on this thread by several people.

Then you back down and admit the study only tests a very superficial knowledge across a number of religions.

Answer the question: If you admit it’s so worthless as an indicator of specific knowledge about any individual religion, why do you or someone else keep citing it? Seems pretty deceptive [/quote]

Again, YOU are confusing posters.

Why aren't you calling out the PPs who are actually name-calling? Oh right, they're "Christians".

The survey is valuable because it demonstrates that atheists/agnostics [i]are[/i] knowledgeable about religion in general. Which is exactly what was previously stated.

True statement: 
"On average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do"

That is exactly what this survey shows.

Still waiting to hear from the PP who doesn't think she is disturbed, but resorts to name calling and hostility. If not "disturbed" then what? 
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“Religion in general” is pretty meaningless when the threshold is knowing where Jesus was born, that the Jewish sabbath starts on Friday, and that India is majority Hindu.

Once more with feeling: you (or others) are deceiving everybody by citing this study repeatedly on the Christian-bashing-thread-of-the-week to imply that atheists know a lot about Christianity (or about any other religion). The study never said that.

Don’t know where the pp you’re calling disturbed is, but her frustration with your insults and stonewalling is understandable. [/quote]

I honestly don't care what Christians know or don't know. Or any other religious groups for that matter. I was just trying to point out that the PP who posted the survey didn't post anything misleading at all.

But since you are so stuck on this, I went back and looked at this again and, ON THIS SURVEY, atheists/agnostics (6.7) did happen to score better than christians (6.2). Protestants (6.5) and Catholics (5.4). The Mormons (7.9) really do know their sh1t. I just read "Educated" and don't find this surprising at all.

[img]https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2010/09/religious-knowledge-09.png[/img]

Again, I'm not drawing conclusions from that or trying to make a particular point. Just sharing the data from a survey of general religious knowledge. 
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Yawn. Nobody cares about these survey results, which don’t measure much of anything. They care about why the pp who posted thinks it was worthwhile posting at all. They care about whether she was[b] trying to deceive by implying more than it actually said[/b]—until she was called out on it. [/quote]

Where do you get that from "on average, atheists know more about religion than religious people do"? Seems pretty straightforward to me.

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