Trump to gut ACA via executive order

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Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.

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A single, government-run system will never work here. For a good number of Americans, there will always be a "them" who does not deserve it, who doesn't work as hard as they do, who has received enough help and should figure it all out for themselves, or who should just be ignored and simply suffer and die (i.e. the way Trump sees Puerto Ricans). [/b]Should a healthy individual who takes care of his or her body, doesn't smoke, runs every day and watches their diet, pay taxes to support the medical needs of one of those sad sacks portrayed in The Washington Post articles about rural poverty-- you know, those obese men and women in their 50s who chain-smoke, live on SSDI but still find some spare cash to buy a 12 pack of Orange Crush? [b]I bet a lot of people read those articles and thought, well, they're digging their own graves.

Who exactly do you think is paying for those people's medical needs now?

DP. Taxpayers, though Medicaid.

Exactly. Taxpayers are paying for those people either way.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Again, it was great for you pre ACA, but not for others; it's now great for others, but you are screwed. You are wanting to go back to a system that f*d others. So, your attitude is no different; it's just the other side of the coin. Again, POTUS is supposed to find a solution that helps the *majority* of Americans; you only want a solution that helps people like you. So you can f*off yourself. See how that works.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Many supporters of Obamacare don't seem to realize that it has negatively affected millions of Americans' lives. While it helped some, it has absolutely hurt others.

I have discovered that liberals in this area, with their $200k+ incomes, are oblivious to how difficult it is for a $50k earner to pay $800 a month in insurance. They seem to have divided people into two camps - the poor people who are entitled to 100% support - and everyone else, who can afford to make sacrifices in order to support themselves.

I think this is a good point. Perhaps it's because they exist in a bubble where you don't tend to see a lot of lower middle class Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.

+1
A single, government-run system will never work here. For a good number of Americans, there will always be a "them" who does not deserve it, who doesn't work as hard as they do, who has received enough help and should figure it all out for themselves, or who should just be ignored and simply suffer and die (i.e. the way Trump sees Puerto Ricans). [/b]Should a healthy individual who takes care of his or her body, doesn't smoke, runs every day and watches their diet, pay taxes to support the medical needs of one of those sad sacks portrayed in The Washington Post articles about rural poverty-- you know, those obese men and women in their 50s who chain-smoke, live on SSDI but still find some spare cash to buy a 12 pack of Orange Crush? [b]I bet a lot of people read those articles and thought, well, they're digging their own graves.

Who exactly do you think is paying for those people's medical needs now?

DP. Taxpayers, though Medicaid.

Exactly. Taxpayers are paying for those people either way.

Solution is to expand medicaid even further to lower the cost for more Americans. Puts more risky people in a bigger pool.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Many supporters of Obamacare don't seem to realize that it has negatively affected millions of Americans' lives. While it helped some, it has absolutely hurt others.

I have discovered that liberals in this area, with their $200k+ incomes, are oblivious to how difficult it is for a $50k earner to pay $800 a month in insurance. They seem to have divided people into two camps - the poor people who are entitled to 100% support - and everyone else, who can afford to make sacrifices in order to support themselves.

I think this is a good point. Perhaps it's because they exist in a bubble where you don't tend to see a lot of lower middle class Americans.

70% of people in the US want to keep ACA if a replacement that does something similar cannot be found. That's not a bubble unless you think 70% of people are like those who are on dcum.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Many supporters of Obamacare don't seem to realize that it has negatively affected millions of Americans' lives. While it helped some, it has absolutely hurt others.

I have discovered that liberals in this area, with their $200k+ incomes, are oblivious to how difficult it is for a $50k earner to pay $800 a month in insurance. They seem to have divided people into two camps - the poor people who are entitled to 100% support - and everyone else, who can afford to make sacrifices in order to support themselves.

I think this is a good point. Perhaps it's because they exist in a bubble where you don't tend to see a lot of lower middle class Americans.

70% of people in the US want to keep ACA if a replacement that does something similar cannot be found. That's not a bubble unless you think 70% of people are like those who are on dcum.

I don't put too much faith in random polls. What would "something similar" even mean? Basically I think people are just trying to say that they don't want things to get even worse, which might happen if something is enacted that isn't "similar". People are scared.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Many supporters of Obamacare don't seem to realize that it has negatively affected millions of Americans' lives. While it helped some, it has absolutely hurt others.

I have discovered that liberals in this area, with their $200k+ incomes, are oblivious to how difficult it is for a $50k earner to pay $800 a month in insurance. They seem to have divided people into two camps - the poor people who are entitled to 100% support - and everyone else, who can afford to make sacrifices in order to support themselves.

I think this is a good point. Perhaps it's because they exist in a bubble where you don't tend to see a lot of lower middle class Americans.

70% of people in the US want to keep ACA if a replacement that does something similar cannot be found. That's not a bubble unless you think 70% of people are like those who are on dcum.

I don't put too much faith in random polls. What would "something similar" even mean? Basically I think people are just trying to say that they don't want things to get even worse, which might happen if something is enacted that isn't "similar". People are scared.

Yes, people are scared that they might lose their health insurance, and that EO will definitely cause this to happen.

You don't have to trust polls. You yourself stated that people are scared that something worse will happen, and it will with this EO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.

+1
A single, government-run system will never work here. For a good number of Americans, there will always be a "them" who does not deserve it, who doesn't work as hard as they do, who has received enough help and should figure it all out for themselves, or who should just be ignored and simply suffer and die (i.e. the way Trump sees Puerto Ricans). [/b]Should a healthy individual who takes care of his or her body, doesn't smoke, runs every day and watches their diet, pay taxes to support the medical needs of one of those sad sacks portrayed in The Washington Post articles about rural poverty-- you know, those obese men and women in their 50s who chain-smoke, live on SSDI but still find some spare cash to buy a 12 pack of Orange Crush? [b]I bet a lot of people read those articles and thought, well, they're digging their own graves.

Who exactly do you think is paying for those people's medical needs now?

DP. Taxpayers, though Medicaid.

Exactly. Taxpayers are paying for those people either way.

Solution is to expand medicaid even further to lower the cost for more Americans. Puts more risky people in a bigger pool.

They have to be incentivized too. Everyone needs to be on the same page when it comes to health and bringing down costs. We have fresh fruit in one corner, canned Del Monte fruit cocktail in the other. We may as well live in two separate countries.

Sure, public health works in Scandinavian countries. They're small countries, mostly one people and they're all pretty thin and fit. I spent time in Stockholm and Oslo and was hardpressed to find a lot of overweight people. I don't think they have the contempt, or disgust with, their fellow citizens as we do here.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Many supporters of Obamacare don't seem to realize that it has negatively affected millions of Americans' lives. While it helped some, it has absolutely hurt others.

I have discovered that liberals in this area, with their $200k+ incomes, are oblivious to how difficult it is for a $50k earner to pay $800 a month in insurance. They seem to have divided people into two camps - the poor people who are entitled to 100% support - and everyone else, who can afford to make sacrifices in order to support themselves.

I think this is a good point. Perhaps it's because they exist in a bubble where you don't tend to see a lot of lower middle class Americans.

70% of people in the US want to keep ACA if a replacement that does something similar cannot be found. That's not a bubble unless you think 70% of people are like those who are on dcum.

I don't put too much faith in random polls. What would "something similar" even mean? Basically I think people are just trying to say that they don't want things to get even worse, which might happen if something is enacted that isn't "similar". People are scared.

Yes, people are scared that they might lose their health insurance, and that EO will definitely cause this to happen.

You don't have to trust polls. You yourself stated that people are scared that something worse will happen, and it will with this EO.

I agree with you in that it's a choice between Really Bad and Really Really Bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Many supporters of Obamacare don't seem to realize that it has negatively affected millions of Americans' lives. While it helped some, it has absolutely hurt others.

I have discovered that liberals in this area, with their $200k+ incomes, are oblivious to how difficult it is for a $50k earner to pay $800 a month in insurance. They seem to have divided people into two camps - the poor people who are entitled to 100% support - and everyone else, who can afford to make sacrifices in order to support themselves.

I think this is a good point. Perhaps it's because they exist in a bubble where you don't tend to see a lot of lower middle class Americans.

It's not just that they don't see a lot of lower-middle income Americans. They assume they everyone has plenty of money like they do. I remarked to my neighbor -a retired GS 15 who now has a big pension AND is contracting back with the government for more than he was earning as a fed - that my costs have skyrocketed and I now have to pay everything out-of-pocket for all my medical care. He snipped, "yeah, but YOU can afford it." and I wondered....how does he know what I can afford? I bought this condo 20 years ago when I was earning $60,000 a year. He is just assuming that I am an affluent person like himself, for whom a $3,000 unexpected medical bill means nothing. He did not know that I cancelled my vacation as a result of that unexpected expense, and I had too much pride to tell him. All he does is say how "WE" (he, who has a government medical plan) can afford to pay a bit more to make sure the poor get medical care for free.

[Anonymous]

The onion has a great piece on this:

http://www.theonion.com/article/exhausted-trump-supporter-just-decides-massive-cut-57198

In an effort to justify the recent set of executive orders the president signed earlier this week to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, exhausted Trump supporter Phil Holt reportedly just decided Friday that massive cuts to healthcare subsidies were the reason he voted as he did. “Ultimately increasing the cost of healthcare for me, my family members, and others like me is why I voted for Trump the first place,” said the completely drained Holt, 56, who reportedly has spent the last nine months since Trump took office rationalizing every step the White House has made as his motivation for casting his ballot for the president. “When I went to the polls, I based my vote solely on the hope that insurance would be allowed to skirt around Obamacare policies that protect the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions from being discriminated against. Destabilizing the nation’s healthcare system is exactly what I wanted from Trump and exactly what I got. Yes, exactly

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Anonymous wrote:The onion has a great piece on this:

http://www.theonion.com/article/exhausted-trump-supporter-just-decides-massive-cut-57198

In an effort to justify the recent set of executive orders the president signed earlier this week to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, exhausted Trump supporter Phil Holt reportedly just decided Friday that massive cuts to healthcare subsidies were the reason he voted as he did. “Ultimately increasing the cost of healthcare for me, my family members, and others like me is why I voted for Trump the first place,” said the completely drained Holt, 56, who reportedly has spent the last nine months since Trump took office rationalizing every step the White House has made as his motivation for casting his ballot for the president. “When I went to the polls, I based my vote solely on the hope that insurance would be allowed to skirt around Obamacare policies that protect the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions from being discriminated against. Destabilizing the nation’s healthcare system is exactly what I wanted from Trump and exactly what I got. Yes, exactly

The Onion is showing that they live in a bit of a bubble with this one. A lot of people were in fact looking to destabilize the nation's health care system because the nation's health care system was really bad and getting worse each year. (The trendy word for this in Silicon Valley is "disruption.")

If people were happy with Obamacare, they sure didn't show it in November.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.

+1
A single, government-run system will never work here. For a good number of Americans, there will always be a "them" who does not deserve it, who doesn't work as hard as they do, who has received enough help and should figure it all out for themselves, or who should just be ignored and simply suffer and die (i.e. the way Trump sees Puerto Ricans). Should a healthy individual who takes care of his or her body, doesn't smoke, runs every day and watches their diet, pay taxes to support the medical needs of one of those sad sacks portrayed in The Washington Post articles about rural poverty-- you know, those obese men and women in their 50s who chain-smoke, live on SSDI but still find some spare cash to buy a 12 pack of Orange Crush? I bet a lot of people read those articles and thought, well, they're digging their own graves.

I remember that specific article you're referring to. Liberals like to blame poor people's predicament entirely on someone else, but they do make poor decisions at times. Anyone who can spend money on cigarettes can spend $20 on a doctor's visit. In fact, many poor people like the fact that they get free visits because it frees up money for cigarettes!

And your source for this "fact" is what? Do you actually know these alleged "many people" who behave like this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Many supporters of Obamacare don't seem to realize that it has negatively affected millions of Americans' lives. While it helped some, it has absolutely hurt others.

OK, so define "some" and "others," please.

I'm pretty sure "some" = millions and "others" equals a lot fewer people.

And those "others" can probably afford the higher premiums and deductibles, they just don't like paying them.

Whereas the "some" you refer to had NO health insurance before the ACA, whereas the "others" did have insurance.

BTW, did the "others" lose their insurance as a result of the ACA? I think not. As I said earlier, they are paying more, but they can afford it, even though they don't like it. (But who does like paying more for anything?)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Well, PP, you told the previous PP who had no healthcare before the ACA. She really ought to die for depriving you of, what, some extra money that you CAN afford to pay, but just don't want to.

And, PP, did you LOSE your healthcare? Are you dying of a treatable disease because you no longer have insurance? No? Oh, and have you lost your home because you can't pay your medical bills? No?

So, PP, basically, you're pissed off you have to pay more money for health insurance that you didn't have to pay before the ACA. What did you do with that money? Take nice vacations? Buy a nicer car? Send your kids to private instead of those crummy public schools? If so, you're really, really "suffering" because of the ACA. PP OUGHT TO DIE to pay for your deprivations!!