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Anonymous
Not pp, but the focus should be on men not to do awful shit to women, instead of blaming women for not having enough "guidance and encouragement." We all have to look out for our own selves, but I'm sick of victim blaming. How about teaching boys and men to not be awful, violent, manipulative, or take advantage of women? |
Anonymous
| I think there may be some confusion about who the current person of interest is. Based on reports/news conference, he is the guy with dreads in all white clothing. In the Sal's Pizza surveillance video, he can be seen in front of Sal's at 00:25 of the video. Note that Hannah is seen on the opposite sidewalk in the video. Seconds later, dreads&white clothes guy makes a u-turn thru the street (partially off camera) and then begins following Hannah on the same side of the sidewalk she's on (he is behind a small group of guys walking towards the end of the vid). |
Anonymous
Not the person you quoted, but -- I can't rely on boys/men to not be awful/violent/etc., so I take precautions to minimize the risk of being in a situation where I could become a victim. That doesn't mean I will never be a victim, as I can't prevent everything. I don't see the PP as blaming women. Ensuring that you don't walk home alone (possibly intoxicated) is just one way to try to mitigate the risk of being attacked. |
Anonymous
| I hope that all the area businesses are looking back at their surveillance videos for the guy with dreadlocks. It would be helpful if the police could post a photo of him, but I suppose they are waiting for more evidence to release his identity. Hopefully the search team will be productive in finding her alive and well |
Anonymous
I think it's the wrong thread for that. Maybe even the wrong forum. We hope against hope this girl is found alive. Together and apart from that, we don't ever ever want our DDs out wandering alone after drinking. |
Anonymous
Well, of course, I agree with you--but since men (and some women!) may not always be the kind, gentle, law-abiding people they should be, I think it's sad that naïve, trusting women are paying such a terrible price. I absolutely wouldn't want my daughter or granddaughters going out for a night of drinking and then being apart from their friends--that's stupid and dangerous. |
Anonymous
It's an absolutely apropos thread for this discussion. FAR more than wandering alone after drinking, I don't ever, ever, EVER want our DS's doing something awful to a woman or girl, EVER. We like to pretend that it won't be our sons, but the men that attack/rape/kill/etc women are someone's son. So a European campaign stated, instead of teaching girls "don't get raped," we should be teaching boys/men "don't rape." |
Anonymous
I see him in that video, but what about his actions there is sketchy? |
Anonymous
Scroll back through this thread...we are just getting tired of rehashing it....look up the surveillance videos on Youtube on your PC. Two videos: Teul's and Sal's: Sal's video, you'll see a man with dreadlocks and baggy white shorts walk in front of the camera. Next, you will see the man go off camera and then reappear on the other side of the pedestrian street changing direction, shortly after Hannah walks buy and in her same direction. In the Teuls video, you will catch a glimpse of Hannah walking lock-step with this same guy. The police are now admitting it. |
Anonymous
I would have missed out on so MUCH if I had thought like this. You are only young ONCE. Yes, I took chances. In hindsight I took lots of chances. It was SOOO worth it to me. There is nothing like being young and perfectly free. I will never regret it freaking living as a young adult. |
Anonymous
| There's another video with him walking next to Hannah in step with her. Police initially thought it was her reflection but it was him. Now they've searched the guy's car and apt. |
Anonymous
Well...good for you? |
Anonymous
Yes, good for me. That does not mean that my heart does not break for Hannnah. I'm worried for her and I hope that she'll be found safe. At the same time, young women should be able to walk around independent after dark w/o being labeled as ...unwise. |
Anonymous
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There's not much difference between the "ladies, don't go out drinking at night or walk home alone or dress like that" and the crazy attitudes towards women in the Middle East. I come from a Muslim family, and abhor these attitudes. They're the same vein of blaming women/victim blaming, but telling women they should be making better choices - even though those women are harming absolutely no one.
The responsibility is on men. Full stop. In my opinion, the more we keep the conversation to "girls, be more responsible," the less men learn to be responsible for their own awful actions. It's a form of coddling - it's a shift from the perpetrator not bearing every fraction of a percentage of the total and complete responsibility. |
Anonymous
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Most men- the VAST majority of men -are good and protective towards women.
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