how many of us did not see close MAGA family members this holiday season?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

-age in place

They want respect but put Trump (who doesn’t care if they live or die as long as he can weaponize their racism and gets their vote) above their own kids. Screw that.

-also a former R

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

+1

Gerrymander away to make all vote count in 2026, huh.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

Yup.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

You are just talking to a single sad and lonely troll. You know this, right?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

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MAGA doesn’t just want respect— they want you to LIKE them as well despite their unsettling values and lack of decency.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

You are just talking to a single sad and lonely troll. You know this, right?

Anyone who doesn’t like MAGA is a troll now. Desperate bunch.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

You are just talking to a single sad and lonely troll. You know this, right?

Anyone who doesn’t like MAGA is a troll now. Desperate bunch.

Just like your leader. If you don’t worship him, you’re a traitor.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. There is hurt that is deeper than just them being MAGA. Last spring my spouse who is a high ranking fed came very close to losing his job during all the DOGE insanity (and did lose more than 100 direct reports) and my dad said they were all redundant because well, Fox News told him so. We had a huge blow up over this.
And perhaps the most toxic part is that they every time we're with my parents we're handed a long, typed out letter about how we are going to hell. My parents have always been religious but in their old age it's been escalated to deep fear of eternal damnation. The letters ares all about how they fear for our souls and at holiday gatherings (for the past 2-3 years) before eating we have to listen to a 30 minute talk about it all. In the context of the MAGA beliefs this is just all too much. Their political beliefs make them about the least Jesus-like people we know and yet they never shut up about their faith. I just can't.

This is abuse, full stop. You don’t owe people like this anything, not even if they birthed you, and ESPECIALLY if they birthed you. Family owes you more care, not less.

By keeping your distance, maybe you can salvage a decent memory after they’re gone, remember them from a time when they presumably weren’t such nasty horrible creatures. My heart is with you. It’s time to start mourning them as if they’re already gone.

Apple doesn't fall from the tree. PP's children will say the same about them 30 years from now.

Oh look. Nasty grandma found the thread.

What a horrible (and unfounded) thing to say. Shame on you.

I’m not a grandmother nor MAGA, but that is a reasonable possibility. Children learn behavior from their parents. All these people who have cut their parents off over political differences are teaching their kids that sort of tantrum-like behavior is acceptable. And it is indeed likely to be repeated.

+ 1 million

Again, as has been pointed out, no one has proposed stepping away from family over political differences. We are talking about maga as a hate group. It’s no different than if your relative was in the Klan or an antisemite.

Family like that deserves to be ostracized. It’s no one’s job to babysit emotionally immature relatives.

I’m the PP and I am sorry, but you sound completely insane to me. You are seriously saying that anyone who voted for Trump is equivalent to a KKK member? That is not grounded in any sort of reality.

It seems you have a reading comprehension problem. No one here has said they cut off family members for voting republican. There is a portion of MAGA that is definitely a hate group similar to KKK. If you don’t know this then you have your head in the sand.

Oh, so you are fine with people voting for Trump then?

Yes. I highly dislike Trump and MAGA but I also respect the choice to vote for whomever they please.

I can’t respect people who cheer on the financial demise of their own kids (and then will be braying about wanting those same kids struggling to pay their bills to step up and wipe their a$$es and make sure they can she in place).

You don't have to respect their choice of who they vote for but you should respect the choice to vote freely in this country.

This has nothing to do with respecting the right to vote freely. And you know that. They voted freely for a felon — and continue to cheer on the felon— who wants to render their own kids unemployed and has handed our personal data to his rich bros on a silver platter. This is who they chose to vote for and support at the expense of, well, everything supposedly near and dear to them. This has nothing to do with the right to vote freely. I have the right to associate with whomever I want to freely as well. They can vote freely to bring back slavery but that doesn’t mean I must respect them. I respect the rule of law and our founding principles (voting for Trump says otherwise). It is all about morals and values.

I have no doubt your dysfunctional childhood was very hard. Nonetheless, your post is way overboard. No one said you had to respect them. We are talking about people have a right to vote as they choose and making a holiday phone call to parents in their 80s.

You don’t seem to get it. We have free will and do not have to associate with, interact with anyone, family or otherwise. Are you expecting all of us to have compassion and empathy for those who cheer on the demeaning, the degrading of those less fortunate? That is what maga does. You have the right to vote for whoever you want to vote for, but don’t expect me to associate with you if you support such a vile person.

And people wonder why there is a “loneliness epidemic”. What a mystery. Surely only associating with those who share your exact political opinions is a recipe for a happy and fulfilling life.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not spoken to my 83 and 82 year old parents for 9 months because they are fully in the MAGA cult.
We live in DC and our lives, jobs and income have been personally impacted by this administration.
We did not call them or see them this holiday season for the first time in my 51 years. My brother was the same.

Anyone else? I pretend to not care but it's just awful.

You refuse to see your parents because they won't follow your rules? What the hell is wrong with you?