What is the endgame for current attack on elite unis + international students?

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

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I wave and say hi. They say hi and continue to speak an exclusive language to keep me and others out. It happened to DD at TJ too.

Ok. So then you make friends 1:1 and next time you can sit with them and they'll switch to English for you.

NP. Why should they have to cater to antisocial behavior? How about no one appeases them, they can stay in their groups and Americans can choose whether they want such behavior around. Pretty simple.

Unless you're Anglo-American or Native American, odds are your American immigrant forebears did exactly the same thing.

I have Eastern European heritage. When my ancestors showed up to work on railroads in Upstate New York, the Irish immigrant people literally threw rocks at them. They had a church and community organizations that all operated in their native language. Maintenance of a second language is normal. Making friends across racial/ethnic lines is also possible and normal. If you feel excluded, I really wonder whether you cared or tried to be included.

TJ is not an ordinary school. Your problems in that rarified environment are not highly relevant to mainstream experiences. Our high school is mostly white with average SAT somewhere below 1200. It's not a school district that the brightest immigrants would send their kids to. So as a consequence, my kid doesn't really know what excellence looks like. Care to trade?

Are you aware that all humans originated from Africa? Yes, even your Eastern European ancestors. Yet every other country has measures in place to protect their people BECAUSE they've gone through what the US is going through now. Do you really think because the US is a 'newer' country, we shouldn't protect what our ancestors built here? Why should we play by rules that are advantages to those without citizenship but not with? We can and should increase opportunities for our citizens today without providing those opportunities for non-citizens. Why is this so controversial? Or is the fact that you might be African just mind blowing to you?

There are a lot of ancestors who were part of the building who were not compensated for it and to this day, still suffer the stigma associated with it. Try seeing the world through other people's lenses.

Tale as old as time in every country on this planet. I do see where you are coming from, but we have to start where we are not get stuck in the past. If we shut out foreigners we are not proliferating racism. I too am a person of color. We are simply saying what we are doing now is not sustainable, just like every "old world" country has already done.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

the overwhelming majority of these students are not at T50 Us schools.

Just sayin'

Yeah, that poster is an idiot.



DP. +1. Many of these students are keeping lower tier schools like UMN St Cloud from going under. They rely on international student income.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

NP
I wave and say hi. They say hi and continue to speak an exclusive language to keep me and others out. It happened to DD at TJ too.

Ok. So then you make friends 1:1 and next time you can sit with them and they'll switch to English for you.

NP. Why should they have to cater to antisocial behavior? How about no one appeases them, they can stay in their groups and Americans can choose whether they want such behavior around. Pretty simple.

Unless you're Anglo-American or Native American, odds are your American immigrant forebears did exactly the same thing.

I have Eastern European heritage. When my ancestors showed up to work on railroads in Upstate New York, the Irish immigrant people literally threw rocks at them. They had a church and community organizations that all operated in their native language. Maintenance of a second language is normal. Making friends across racial/ethnic lines is also possible and normal. If you feel excluded, I really wonder whether you cared or tried to be included.

TJ is not an ordinary school. Your problems in that rarified environment are not highly relevant to mainstream experiences. Our high school is mostly white with average SAT somewhere below 1200. It's not a school district that the brightest immigrants would send their kids to. So as a consequence, my kid doesn't really know what excellence looks like. Care to trade?

Are you aware that all humans originated from Africa? Yes, even your Eastern European ancestors. Yet every other country has measures in place to protect their people BECAUSE they've gone through what the US is going through now. Do you really think because the US is a 'newer' country, we shouldn't protect what our ancestors built here? Why should we play by rules that are advantages to those without citizenship but not with? We can and should increase opportunities for our citizens today without providing those opportunities for non-citizens. Why is this so controversial? Or is the fact that you might be African just mind blowing to you?

There are a lot of ancestors who were part of the building who were not compensated for it and to this day, still suffer the stigma associated with it. Try seeing the world through other people's lenses.

Tale as old as time in every country on this planet. I do see where you are coming from, but we have to start where we are not get stuck in the past. If we shut out foreigners we are not proliferating racism. I too am a person of color. We are simply saying what we are doing now is not sustainable, just like every "old world" country has already done.

DP. This lacks basis and doesn't even make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

NP
I wave and say hi. They say hi and continue to speak an exclusive language to keep me and others out. It happened to DD at TJ too.

Ok. So then you make friends 1:1 and next time you can sit with them and they'll switch to English for you.

NP. Why should they have to cater to antisocial behavior? How about no one appeases them, they can stay in their groups and Americans can choose whether they want such behavior around. Pretty simple.

Unless you're Anglo-American or Native American, odds are your American immigrant forebears did exactly the same thing.

I have Eastern European heritage. When my ancestors showed up to work on railroads in Upstate New York, the Irish immigrant people literally threw rocks at them. They had a church and community organizations that all operated in their native language. Maintenance of a second language is normal. Making friends across racial/ethnic lines is also possible and normal. If you feel excluded, I really wonder whether you cared or tried to be included.

TJ is not an ordinary school. Your problems in that rarified environment are not highly relevant to mainstream experiences. Our high school is mostly white with average SAT somewhere below 1200. It's not a school district that the brightest immigrants would send their kids to. So as a consequence, my kid doesn't really know what excellence looks like. Care to trade?

Are you aware that all humans originated from Africa? Yes, even your Eastern European ancestors. Yet every other country has measures in place to protect their people BECAUSE they've gone through what the US is going through now. Do you really think because the US is a 'newer' country, we shouldn't protect what our ancestors built here? Why should we play by rules that are advantages to those without citizenship but not with? We can and should increase opportunities for our citizens today without providing those opportunities for non-citizens. Why is this so controversial? Or is the fact that you might be African just mind blowing to you?

There are a lot of ancestors who were part of the building who were not compensated for it and to this day, still suffer the stigma associated with it. Try seeing the world through other people's lenses.

Tale as old as time in every country on this planet. I do see where you are coming from, but we have to start where we are not get stuck in the past. If we shut out foreigners we are not proliferating racism. I too am a person of color. We are simply saying what we are doing now is not sustainable, just like every "old world" country has already done.

DP. This lacks basis and doesn't even make sense.

DP. Clearly you lack the capacity to understand it. I don't have the same mental challenges and agree with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

How exactly do you believe we benefit from Communist Chinese students who are mandated to steal our intellectual property and report it back to Xi?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

Citation from a reputable source? Plus, we are talking about universities, not 4 year colleges, technical schools, community colleges, etc.

I disagree with the bolded. My tax dollars in the university system should go ENTIRELY to Americans and I will advocate for that and vote my conscience every time.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

5% would be ok. That’s not true for T50.

It’s 10-15% of the class at most selective schools. MIT is 15-20%
https://toptieradmissions.com/applying-to-us-colleges-as-an-international-student/

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International students comprise approximately 29.1% of the student body at MIT. This includes 29.1% of the total students, which is 4,073 international students out of a total of 14,007 students

This includes graduate students.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

Citation from a reputable source? Plus, we are talking about universities, not 4 year colleges, technical schools, community colleges, etc.

I disagree with the bolded. My tax dollars in the university system should go ENTIRELY to Americans and I will advocate for that and vote my conscience every time.

Best hope you or a loved one don't get cancer or other disease and the best treatment was developed in the lab of a foreign born principal investigator and mixed-birth researchers. Idiot. DARWIN applauds you. Stay proud as you let them die.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7489249/

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

How exactly do you believe we benefit from Communist Chinese students who are
mandated to steal our intellectual property and report it back to Xi?

They worked on it. If it was shite they wouldn't steal it. But since it's not we get the use of it too.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

NP
I wave and say hi. They say hi and continue to speak an exclusive language to keep me and others out. It happened to DD at TJ too.

Ok. So then you make friends 1:1 and next time you can sit with them and they'll switch to English for you.

NP. Why should they have to cater to antisocial behavior? How about no one appeases them, they can stay in their groups and Americans can choose whether they want such behavior around. Pretty simple.

Unless you're Anglo-American or Native American, odds are your American immigrant forebears did exactly the same thing.

I have Eastern European heritage. When my ancestors showed up to work on railroads in Upstate New York, the Irish immigrant people literally threw rocks at them. They had a church and community organizations that all operated in their native language. Maintenance of a second language is normal. Making friends across racial/ethnic lines is also possible and normal. If you feel excluded, I really wonder whether you cared or tried to be included.

TJ is not an ordinary school. Your problems in that rarified environment are not highly relevant to mainstream experiences. Our high school is mostly white with average SAT somewhere below 1200. It's not a school district that the brightest immigrants would send their kids to. So as a consequence, my kid doesn't really know what excellence looks like. Care to trade?

Are you aware that all humans originated from Africa? Yes, even your Eastern European ancestors. Yet every other country has measures in place to protect their people BECAUSE they've gone through what the US is going through now. Do you really think because the US is a 'newer' country, we shouldn't protect what our ancestors built here? Why should we play by rules that are advantages to those without citizenship but not with? We can and should increase opportunities for our citizens today without providing those opportunities for non-citizens. Why is this so controversial? Or is the fact that you might be African just mind blowing to you?

There are a lot of ancestors who were part of the building who were not compensated for it and to this day, still suffer the stigma associated with it. Try seeing the world through other people's lenses.

Tale as old as time in every country on this planet. I do see where you are coming from, but we have to start where we are not get stuck in the past. If we shut out foreigners we are not proliferating racism. I too am a person of color. We are simply saying what we are doing now is not sustainable, just like every "old world" country has already done.

despite Trumpism, the world is a global community. Integrating our higher education with people from around the world makes American-born students stronger and more worldly.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

Citation from a reputable source? Plus, we are talking about universities, not 4 year colleges, technical schools, community colleges, etc.

I disagree with the bolded. My tax dollars in the university system should go ENTIRELY to Americans and I will advocate for that and vote my conscience every time.

The international students are generally full pay. Your tax dollars are not going to them or subsidizing them, quite the opposite.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

Citation from a reputable source? Plus, we are talking about universities, not 4 year colleges, technical schools, community colleges, etc.

I disagree with the bolded. My tax dollars in the university system should go ENTIRELY to Americans and I will advocate for that and vote my conscience every time.

Best hope you or a loved one don't get cancer or other disease and the best treatment was developed in the lab of a foreign born principal investigator and mixed-birth researchers. Idiot. DARWIN applauds you. Stay proud as you let them die.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7489249/

I've reproduced. Sorry Darwin principle doesn't apply.

We can and do learn from researchers abroad ALL THE TIME. I worked as a "visiting scientist" at Oxford during my PhD. I didnt attend Oxford to benefit from cross learning. Much of the collaboration, even in 2004-2006, was done virtually with periodic visits of 1-3 months. Medicine or any other discipline will work the same way. We have these collaboration tools like "computers", "phones", and "videos", among other things.

And I don't have to call you names to get my point across. It's actually something that poorly educated lay people do when they have no better way to express themselves. I'm embarrassed for you.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

How exactly do you believe we benefit from Communist Chinese students who are mandated to steal our intellectual property and report it back to Xi?

Most of the Chinese students that I knew ended up staying here and becoming citizens.