What is the endgame for current attack on elite unis + international students?

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

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I wave and say hi. They say hi and continue to speak an exclusive language to keep me and others out. It happened to DD at TJ too.

Ok. So then you make friends 1:1 and next time you can sit with them and they'll switch to English for you.

NP. Why should they have to cater to antisocial behavior? How about no one appeases them, they can stay in their groups and Americans can choose whether they want such behavior around. Pretty simple.

Unless you're Anglo-American or Native American, odds are your American immigrant forebears did exactly the same thing.

I have Eastern European heritage. When my ancestors showed up to work on railroads in Upstate New York, the Irish immigrant people literally threw rocks at them. They had a church and community organizations that all operated in their native language. Maintenance of a second language is normal. Making friends across racial/ethnic lines is also possible and normal. If you feel excluded, I really wonder whether you cared or tried to be included.

TJ is not an ordinary school. Your problems in that rarified environment are not highly relevant to mainstream experiences. Our high school is mostly white with average SAT somewhere below 1200. It's not a school district that the brightest immigrants would send their kids to. So as a consequence, my kid doesn't really know what excellence looks like. Care to trade?

Yes and before that there were signs all over NYC saying “Irish need not apply”. My kid’s school was to teach the Irish immigrants who couldn’t attend the other schools. Same with Italians.

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Anonymous wrote:The other piece of this is that there are a lot of “international” students who grew up here. They are international because their parents are h1b or green card holders. Really stressful to be deported to a country you don’t even really know for something silly.

I have an acquaintance who wants their senior kid to go to school very close to their home. I felt they were being overprotective but now I fully support that. To be deported for no reason at all is a real risk.

They are still foreigners here. Their parents should be more responsible with their life choices. Flip the situation and put your family in a foreign country - there's always the option to come home. Foreigners are guests here.

I understand that. But an expired fishing license or fake id used to drink underage is not a danger to the US. Anyway, I won’t change your opinion and I’m not asking for real criminals to stay here. We live in an area with lots of immigrants and these kids look and act the same as their citizen counterparts. They all have to be so stressed. And honestly, 18
Year olds are not always the most mature - eg, will they start deporting people for speeding? It is all nuts. Don’t act like it isn’t. Keep thinking how different you are from the people being targeted now and don’t be surprised when someone in your family gets in trouble for something silly and targeted for who knows what reason.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

NP
I wave and say hi. They say hi and continue to speak an exclusive language to keep me and others out. It happened to DD at TJ too.

Ok. So then you make friends 1:1 and next time you can sit with them and they'll switch to English for you.

NP. Why should they have to cater to antisocial behavior? How about no one appeases them, they can stay in their groups and Americans can choose whether they want such behavior around. Pretty simple.

Unless you're Anglo-American or Native American, odds are your American immigrant forebears did exactly the same thing.

I have Eastern European heritage. When my ancestors showed up to work on railroads in Upstate New York, the Irish immigrant people literally threw rocks at them. They had a church and community organizations that all operated in their native language. Maintenance of a second language is normal. Making friends across racial/ethnic lines is also possible and normal. If you feel excluded, I really wonder whether you cared or tried to be included.

TJ is not an ordinary school. Your problems in that rarified environment are not highly relevant to mainstream experiences. Our high school is mostly white with average SAT somewhere below 1200. It's not a school district that the brightest immigrants would send their kids to. So as a consequence, my kid doesn't really know what excellence looks like. Care to trade?

Are you aware that all humans originated from Africa? Yes, even your Eastern European ancestors. Yet every other country has measures in place to protect their people BECAUSE they've gone through what the US is going through now. Do you really think because the US is a 'newer' country, we shouldn't protect what our ancestors built here? Why should we play by rules that are advantages to those without citizenship but not with? We can and should increase opportunities for our citizens today without providing those opportunities for non-citizens. Why is this so controversial? Or is the fact that you might be African just mind blowing to you?

I believe we are a great nation because of immigration. There is enough "pie" to go around. You are disappointed because of some admissions outcome. So have your kid get ready to transfer.

Lol about bringing the Out of Africa hypothesis into this.

We are a great nation because of immigration AND that is also changing because of immigration. Both things can be true - mind blowing, I know. And my kids are 7, 5, and 3, so they haven't applied to schools yet. And I'm also Anglo-American from the Mayflower, yet still African.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

NP
I wave and say hi. They say hi and continue to speak an exclusive language to keep me and others out. It happened to DD at TJ too.

Ok. So then you make friends 1:1 and next time you can sit with them and they'll switch to English for you.

NP. Why should they have to cater to antisocial behavior? How about no one appeases them, they can stay in their groups and Americans can choose whether they want such behavior around. Pretty simple.

Unless you're Anglo-American or Native American, odds are your American immigrant forebears did exactly the same thing.

I have Eastern European heritage. When my ancestors showed up to work on railroads in Upstate New York, the Irish immigrant people literally threw rocks at them. They had a church and community organizations that all operated in their native language. Maintenance of a second language is normal. Making friends across racial/ethnic lines is also possible and normal. If you feel excluded, I really wonder whether you cared or tried to be included.

TJ is not an ordinary school. Your problems in that rarified environment are not highly relevant to mainstream experiences. Our high school is mostly white with average SAT somewhere below 1200. It's not a school district that the brightest immigrants would send their kids to. So as a consequence, my kid doesn't really know what excellence looks like. Care to trade?

Are you aware that all humans originated from Africa? Yes, even your Eastern European ancestors. Yet every other country has measures in place to protect their people BECAUSE they've gone through what the US is going through now. Do you really think because the US is a 'newer' country, we shouldn't protect what our ancestors built here? Why should we play by rules that are advantages to those without citizenship but not with? We can and should increase opportunities for our citizens today without providing those opportunities for non-citizens. Why is this so controversial? Or is the fact that you might be African just mind blowing to you?

I believe we are a great nation because of immigration. There is enough "pie" to go around. You are disappointed because of some admissions outcome. So have your kid get ready to transfer.

Lol about bringing the Out of Africa hypothesis into this.

We are a great nation because of immigration AND that is also changing because of immigration. Both things can be true - mind blowing, I know. And my kids are 7, 5, and 3, so they haven't applied to schools yet. And I'm also Anglo-American from the Mayflower, yet still African.

White liberal social justice mom until she gets robbed

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

NP
I wave and say hi. They say hi and continue to speak an exclusive language to keep me and others out. It happened to DD at TJ too.

Ok. So then you make friends 1:1 and next time you can sit with them and they'll switch to English for you.

NP. Why should they have to cater to antisocial behavior? How about no one appeases them, they can stay in their groups and Americans can choose whether they want such behavior around. Pretty simple.

Unless you're Anglo-American or Native American, odds are your American immigrant forebears did exactly the same thing.

I have Eastern European heritage. When my ancestors showed up to work on railroads in Upstate New York, the Irish immigrant people literally threw rocks at them. They had a church and community organizations that all operated in their native language. Maintenance of a second language is normal. Making friends across racial/ethnic lines is also possible and normal. If you feel excluded, I really wonder whether you cared or tried to be included.

TJ is not an ordinary school. Your problems in that rarified environment are not highly relevant to mainstream experiences. Our high school is mostly white with average SAT somewhere below 1200. It's not a school district that the brightest immigrants would send their kids to. So as a consequence, my kid doesn't really know what excellence looks like. Care to trade?

Are you aware that all humans originated from Africa? Yes, even your Eastern European ancestors. Yet every other country has measures in place to protect their people BECAUSE they've gone through what the US is going through now. Do you really think because the US is a 'newer' country, we shouldn't protect what our ancestors built here? Why should we play by rules that are advantages to those without citizenship but not with? We can and should increase opportunities for our citizens today without providing those opportunities for non-citizens. Why is this so controversial? Or is the fact that you might be African just mind blowing to you?

I believe we are a great nation because of immigration. There is enough "pie" to go around. You are disappointed because of some admissions outcome. So have your kid get ready to transfer.

Lol about bringing the Out of Africa hypothesis into this.

We are a great nation because of immigration AND that is also changing because of immigration. Both things can be true - mind blowing, I know. And my kids are 7, 5, and 3, so they haven't applied to schools yet. And I'm also Anglo-American from the Mayflower, yet still African.

White liberal social justice mom until she gets robbed

By a foreign student?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

NP
I wave and say hi. They say hi and continue to speak an exclusive language to keep me and others out. It happened to DD at TJ too.

Ok. So then you make friends 1:1 and next time you can sit with them and they'll switch to English for you.

NP. Why should they have to cater to antisocial behavior? How about no one appeases them, they can stay in their groups and Americans can choose whether they want such behavior around. Pretty simple.

Unless you're Anglo-American or Native American, odds are your American immigrant forebears did exactly the same thing.

I have Eastern European heritage. When my ancestors showed up to work on railroads in Upstate New York, the Irish immigrant people literally threw rocks at them. They had a church and community organizations that all operated in their native language. Maintenance of a second language is normal. Making friends across racial/ethnic lines is also possible and normal. If you feel excluded, I really wonder whether you cared or tried to be included.

TJ is not an ordinary school. Your problems in that rarified environment are not highly relevant to mainstream experiences. Our high school is mostly white with average SAT somewhere below 1200. It's not a school district that the brightest immigrants would send their kids to. So as a consequence, my kid doesn't really know what excellence looks like. Care to trade?

Are you aware that all humans originated from Africa? Yes, even your Eastern European ancestors. Yet every other country has measures in place to protect their people BECAUSE they've gone through what the US is going through now. Do you really think because the US is a 'newer' country, we shouldn't protect what our ancestors built here? Why should we play by rules that are advantages to those without citizenship but not with? We can and should increase opportunities for our citizens today without providing those opportunities for non-citizens. Why is this so controversial? Or is the fact that you might be African just mind blowing to you?

There are a lot of ancestors who were part of the building who were not compensated for it and to this day, still suffer the stigma associated with it. Try seeing the world through other people's lenses.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

the overwhelming majority of these students are not at T50 Us schools.

Just sayin'

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

the overwhelming majority of these students are not at T50 Us schools.

Just sayin'

Yeah, that poster is an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

I’m not “going out of my way.” That was my first post and I don’t think it is an excuse at all - it is a question about your data bc I think it likely needs more context and may not show what you think it shows. And I don’t think international students are a problem anyway. I am an American and my family has been here for centuries. But I studied in Europe. I think it was goos for me and my classmates. Many many American students also study abroad at some point. Your data point is not compelling.

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Anonymous wrote:The other piece of this is that there are a lot of “international” students who grew up here. They are international because their parents are h1b or green card holders. Really stressful to be deported to a country you don’t even really know for something silly.

I have an acquaintance who wants their senior kid to go to school very close to their home. I felt they were being overprotective but now I fully support that. To be deported for no reason at all is a real risk.

They are still foreigners here. Their parents should be more responsible with their life choices. Flip the situation and put your family in a foreign country - there's always the option to come home. Foreigners are guests here.

I understand that. But an expired fishing license or fake id used to drink underage is not a danger to the US. Anyway, I won’t change your opinion and I’m not asking for real criminals to stay here. We live in an area with lots of immigrants and these kids look and act the same as their citizen counterparts. They all have to be so stressed. And honestly, 18
Year olds are not always the most mature - eg, will they start deporting people for speeding? It is all nuts. Don’t act like it isn’t. Keep thinking how different you are from the people being targeted now and don’t be surprised when someone in your family gets in trouble for something silly and targeted for who knows what reason.

I know people in my family being targeted. They are Puerto Ricans, who are American. It still doesn't change my opinion about non-citizens in Colleges. And yes, even an expired fishing license is against the law. When I go to other countries, I follow the laws of that country - all the laws - even the strange ones like no high heels in Greece.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

Never in history have we hosted so many foreigners un US institutions. We need to look after our own FIRST. We've neglected our own. There needs to be a cap, like <10% or some number of foreigners to allow for majority Americans.

And ban foreign students from ever attending any top 30 universities.

They have been stealing IP and American students' seats for decades while we subsidize each of these institutions with tax money in the tune of billions each year.

Tax payers are losing seats and money and foreigners are mocking Americans.

Is this the same poster? Until this week I never heard people complain that we educate too many foreigners in the USA. WTF is going on?

Bc we see the number of kids from China at Cornell or the Cali schools. And our kids can’t get in. And it morphs the feeling of these campuses and makes them “quirky” and antisocial.

Why are we educating Chinas wealthiest??? Same for India. It makes no sense.

Quirky and antisocial? That's ridiculous. Just admit you don't like foreigners! Some of the nicest people in my grad program were the international students. My grandma had a Chinese grad student friend at Cornell in the 1930s. We have their pen pal letters.

China's wealthiest and India's wealthiest either want to move here or do business here. They want to be exposed to the state of the art education. It's similar to what goes on at Oxford and Cambridge.

The international cohorts are so large that these campuses are effectively segregated. Not sure why you think it’s some paradise. It’s not.

Sounds like you have difficulty making friends with people who aren't exactly like you. International students are usually delighted to make American friends. But they will peel off in groups for comfort if nobody reaches out.

Litmus test. If you go to the cafeteria and see a group of people speaking a foreign language, does that upset you? Do you wave and say hi to the people you know in that group?

NP
I wave and say hi. They say hi and continue to speak an exclusive language to keep me and others out. It happened to DD at TJ too.

Ok. So then you make friends 1:1 and next time you can sit with them and they'll switch to English for you.

NP. Why should they have to cater to antisocial behavior? How about no one appeases them, they can stay in their groups and Americans can choose whether they want such behavior around. Pretty simple.

Unless you're Anglo-American or Native American, odds are your American immigrant forebears did exactly the same thing.

I have Eastern European heritage. When my ancestors showed up to work on railroads in Upstate New York, the Irish immigrant people literally threw rocks at them. They had a church and community organizations that all operated in their native language. Maintenance of a second language is normal. Making friends across racial/ethnic lines is also possible and normal. If you feel excluded, I really wonder whether you cared or tried to be included.

TJ is not an ordinary school. Your problems in that rarified environment are not highly relevant to mainstream experiences. Our high school is mostly white with average SAT somewhere below 1200. It's not a school district that the brightest immigrants would send their kids to. So as a consequence, my kid doesn't really know what excellence looks like. Care to trade?

Are you aware that all humans originated from Africa? Yes, even your Eastern European ancestors. Yet every other country has measures in place to protect their people BECAUSE they've gone through what the US is going through now. Do you really think because the US is a 'newer' country, we shouldn't protect what our ancestors built here? Why should we play by rules that are advantages to those without citizenship but not with? We can and should increase opportunities for our citizens today without providing those opportunities for non-citizens. Why is this so controversial? Or is the fact that you might be African just mind blowing to you?

I believe we are a great nation because of immigration. There is enough "pie" to go around. You are disappointed because of some admissions outcome. So have your kid get ready to transfer.

Lol about bringing the Out of Africa hypothesis into this.

We are a great nation because of immigration AND that is also changing because of immigration. Both things can be true - mind blowing, I know. And my kids are 7, 5, and 3, so they haven't applied to schools yet. And I'm also Anglo-American from the Mayflower, yet still African.

White liberal social justice mom until she gets robbed

Actually, no. I'm Anglo (one one side). The other is black Asian. Nice try to make such a racist comment though. Strange how over 200 years of different waves of immigrants can produce mixed people, or is your line full of inbreeding?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.