What is the endgame for current attack on elite unis + international students?

[Anonymous]

The end game is the destruction of the one thing that makes our country great - our biggest export, education.

Educated people are enlightened about history, rights, etc and if that is undermined, it aids the authoritarian classes in the US and worldwide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The end game is the destruction of the one thing that makes our country great - our biggest export, education.

Educated people are enlightened about history, rights, etc and if that is undermined, it aids the authoritarian classes in the US and worldwide.

The progressives are the people destroying education in the USA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The end game is the destruction of the one thing that makes our country great - our biggest export, education.

Educated people are enlightened about history, rights, etc and if that is undermined, it aids the authoritarian classes in the US and worldwide.

The progressives are the people destroying education in the USA.

Yes because the progressives are the ones cutting science funding like crazy... oh, wait...

[Anonymous]

Both are destroying education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The endgame is unwavering loyalty to one man.

this. a petty, dishonorable and incompetent man who has boasted about sexual assault and getting away with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have seen a Singaporean friend of our undergrad at a T20 get deported because of caught with fake ID 6 weeks ago & the uni is telling all international students to not leave for the summer because the school does not know if they will be allowed back. Where it happened there are reports of over 60 intl. kids having their visa status being in play (we talking speeding tickets getting them flagged (we are not talking about protesters here)).

We also have family friends whose research has been stopped (told not to come to the lab anymore).

Removal of Dept. of Ed. & attack on tax-exempt status presumably mean 'need-blind' institutions will become endangered species.

What are the ramifications for the upcoming grad years? I would think merit pay, financial aid, intl students all going to take a major hit (top institutions pivot back more towards socioeconomic elitism). Any views?

clear to me.

focus these efforts on US citizens first.

how hard is that to understand?

be careful in dealing with special interests, people complaining have a vested interest in the status quo. Schools want cheap labor, and/or fully paid tuition and don't give a damn about US citizens. Immigrants want to come to US. It is the US workers that get negatively impacted by increase the number of cheap workers. F1 flows to OPT which flows to H1B which flows to Green Card. All steps created and exploited by Business to keep a pipeline of cheap foreign labor to replace US citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was a foreign student advisor in a large East Coast university for many years and am appalled by the open and unapologetic attack on foreign students. I have thought long and hard about this issue and have some ideas on what it's really about. Sorry for the long post, but I hope some of you will take a moment to read it.

At first I thought it was just a part of an overall effort to bring a handful of "elite" institutions to heel in the guise of addressing anti-semitism and DEI. But as I dug further, I learned that:
--it's not just the usual suspects such as Columbia, Harvard, and other Ivy League universities that are being targeted nor are students being targeted just for anti-semitism. In fact, over 80 U.S. colleges and universities have had international students or recent alumni subjected to visa revocations, detentions, or deportations under the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown.In our own backyard, foreign students have been asked to leave GMU, UVA, and UMD, just to name a few.
--increasingly, there is 1) ZERO reason given for these actions or 2) the reason given by ICE is "Other" with no explanation given.
--increasingly, the students are not just Muslims, but also from a range of other countries.

To answer the OP's question about "what is the endgame," I would say these are some of the main motivations/objectives:

1) Nationalism/populist messaging to the base—“We’re protecting Americans from foreigners who want to take over our country, take our kids’ spots in universities, take our jobs, etc.”
2) Ideological control – threatening to deport foreign students or limit universities’ ability to enroll foreign students is a way to control universities and the educated class in general (the “elites”) and to limit dissent, a key tactic in authoritarianism (see Orban’s efforts to exert government control over public universities in Hungary, https://apnews.com/article/hungary-business-government-and-politics-europe-education-9b76dce30164e77be1c3a2fe47db8bfa)
3) Voter distraction and political theater. Whip up the base and their anti-foreigner impulses and hope they don’t notice the tanking economy, the Trump administration’s inability to meet its economic promises (lower grocery prices, lower housing costs, etc) and scandals like Signalgate.
4) Furthering the anti-globalization and anti-multiculturalism stance of the government. Attacking foreign students is a part of a larger project to disconnect the US from the rest of the world. This includes withdrawing the US from multinational organizations, imposing punishing tariffs on every country in the world, promoting anti-globalization rhetoric, and rejecting multiculturalism. Foreign students on US campuses are a tangible and potent symbol of multiculturalism and interconnectedness to the rest of the world.

#1 and #4 are spot on. And it is good we finally have an administration doing this. Too long big corporations and urban elites have driven policies that are harmful to US workers. Remember only 35 to 40% of US workers have college degrees. Yet those with a masters/phds probably have NEVER have friends that are not college grads. The circle jerk is complete. the bubble is intact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was a foreign student advisor in a large East Coast university for many years and am appalled by the open and unapologetic attack on foreign students. I have thought long and hard about this issue and have some ideas on what it's really about. Sorry for the long post, but I hope some of you will take a moment to read it.

At first I thought it was just a part of an overall effort to bring a handful of "elite" institutions to heel in the guise of addressing anti-semitism and DEI. But as I dug further, I learned that:
--it's not just the usual suspects such as Columbia, Harvard, and other Ivy League universities that are being targeted nor are students being targeted just for anti-semitism. In fact, over 80 U.S. colleges and universities have had international students or recent alumni subjected to visa revocations, detentions, or deportations under the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown.In our own backyard, foreign students have been asked to leave GMU, UVA, and UMD, just to name a few.
--increasingly, there is 1) ZERO reason given for these actions or 2) the reason given by ICE is "Other" with no explanation given.
--increasingly, the students are not just Muslims, but also from a range of other countries.

To answer the OP's question about "what is the endgame," I would say these are some of the main motivations/objectives:

1) Nationalism/populist messaging to the base—“We’re protecting Americans from foreigners who want to take over our country, take our kids’ spots in universities, take our jobs, etc.”
2) Ideological control – threatening to deport foreign students or limit universities’ ability to enroll foreign students is a way to control universities and the educated class in general (the “elites”) and to limit dissent, a key tactic in authoritarianism (see Orban’s efforts to exert government control over public universities in Hungary, https://apnews.com/article/hungary-business-government-and-politics-europe-education-9b76dce30164e77be1c3a2fe47db8bfa)
3) Voter distraction and political theater. Whip up the base and their anti-foreigner impulses and hope they don’t notice the tanking economy, the Trump administration’s inability to meet its economic promises (lower grocery prices, lower housing costs, etc) and scandals like Signalgate.
4) Furthering the anti-globalization and anti-multiculturalism stance of the government. Attacking foreign students is a part of a larger project to disconnect the US from the rest of the world. This includes withdrawing the US from multinational organizations, imposing punishing tariffs on every country in the world, promoting anti-globalization rhetoric, and rejecting multiculturalism. Foreign students on US campuses are a tangible and potent symbol of multiculturalism and interconnectedness to the rest of the world.

#1 and #4 are spot on. And it is good we finally have an administration doing this. Too long big corporations and urban elites have driven policies that are harmful to US workers. Remember only 35 to 40% of US workers have college degrees. Yet those with a masters/phds probably have NEVER have friends that are not college grads. The circle jerk is complete. the bubble is intact.

Thank you for demonstrating what a perfect follower of the MAGA movement you are. Clearly, their programming has been effective on you.

PS. I'm pretty sure that you're not a member of the toiling "two shower a day" class yourself otherwise you'd be busy working and not wasting time on a frivolous "urban elitist" site like DCUM.

[Anonymous]

When the dust settles, you don’t want to be backing the wrong man. Just look at history. Those that support the constitution, democracy, civil rights, freedom will always win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When the dust settles, you don’t want to be backing the wrong man. Just look at history. Those that support the constitution, democracy, civil rights, freedom will always win.

And those hard core MAGA will see themselves brought to justice, exposed. Nuremberg trials …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Less educated population. Less critical thinking. Fewer places for people to pursue intellectual and liberal ideas. All leads to better control of the population and easier for authoritarians. Taking international students away takes their $$ away and makes universities more susceptible to having to comply with things for $

Elite universities have so diminished themselves, they are little more than ridiculous indoctrination centers for the left.

Start here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudine_Gay

Harvard claimed it elevated Ms. Gay solely on the basis of her achievement, and her race and gender were “merely incidental.”

Ms. Gay has only a paltry 11 published works throughout her career and most of those works were plagiarized. Worse still, most of the topics in “her” published works involved topics such as critical race theory, DEIA, systemic white racism, etc.

She is but one small but obvious example of a massive bias problem in our universities.

I think that they probably did pass over better qualified candidates. But if the alternative is more dimwitted racists like you running around on campus I’ll take her any day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Between the learning loss during Covid and the clear attempts to de-emphasize education, both at the K-12 level and universities, we are seeing the dumbing down of America. It is scary. We are increasingly having rule of the idiot class.

Praying that we can survive as a nation until future elections and that we will have fair elections.

Were things perfect before? Heck no. But this is an extreme pivot in the opposite direction and an extreme over-reaction. But MAGA nation does not believe in incrementalism. They exist only to "stick it to the libs." And to "win."

Well, they are winning. And they will pay the price.

And no, I'm not over-reacting. I actually care about the total well-being of other people. They don't.

Awaiting an attack in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

The dumbing down of America is being led by the left. Abolishing gifted and talented programs, “test optional” , replacing phonics with Lucy Calkins, “equity math,” so-called de-tracking, inclusion of unstable and violent kids in regular classes, Obama’s “dear colleagues” letter (google it).

The left is destroying education in the USA.

It is ironic that the right would say that when looking at how deplorably ignorant their voting base is. Southern public k-12 education is ridiculously poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When the dust settles, you don’t want to be backing the wrong man. Just look at history. Those that support the constitution, democracy, civil rights, freedom will always win.

The spineless that conform and rat others out so they won’t be harmed are the ones history does not look kindly on. Karma baby

Profiles in courage and all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Between the learning loss during Covid and the clear attempts to de-emphasize education, both at the K-12 level and universities, we are seeing the dumbing down of America. It is scary. We are increasingly having rule of the idiot class.

Praying that we can survive as a nation until future elections and that we will have fair elections.

Were things perfect before? Heck no. But this is an extreme pivot in the opposite direction and an extreme over-reaction. But MAGA nation does not believe in incrementalism. They exist only to "stick it to the libs." And to "win."

Well, they are winning. And they will pay the price.

And no, I'm not over-reacting. I actually care about the total well-being of other people. They don't.

Awaiting an attack in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

The dumbing down of America is being led by the left. Abolishing gifted and talented programs, “test optional” , replacing phonics with Lucy Calkins, “equity math,” so-called de-tracking, inclusion of unstable and violent kids in regular classes, Obama’s “dear colleagues” letter (google it).

The left is destroying education in the USA.

We score practically dead last in PISA out of all developed countries while spending the most amount per student.

Much of the federal funds are wasted through fraud and corruption.

True. And yet our declining quality of public education was cheered on for 4 years under Biden, while the “department of education” did nothing beyond pushing DEI and funding ridiculous research on more initiatives in the same vein of Lucy Calkins, whole language, “equity math,” de tracking, common core, etc.

The left is leading our declining PISA standing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Between the learning loss during Covid and the clear attempts to de-emphasize education, both at the K-12 level and universities, we are seeing the dumbing down of America. It is scary. We are increasingly having rule of the idiot class.

Praying that we can survive as a nation until future elections and that we will have fair elections.

Were things perfect before? Heck no. But this is an extreme pivot in the opposite direction and an extreme over-reaction. But MAGA nation does not believe in incrementalism. They exist only to "stick it to the libs." And to "win."

Well, they are winning. And they will pay the price.

And no, I'm not over-reacting. I actually care about the total well-being of other people. They don't.

Awaiting an attack in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

The dumbing down of America is being led by the left. Abolishing gifted and talented programs, “test optional” , replacing phonics with Lucy Calkins, “equity math,” so-called de-tracking, inclusion of unstable and violent kids in regular classes, Obama’s “dear colleagues” letter (google it).

The left is destroying education in the USA.

We score practically dead last in PISA out of all developed countries while spending the most amount per student.

Much of the federal funds are wasted through fraud and corruption.

PISA:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programme_for_International_Student_Assessment


If the United States wants to improve its PISA standing, is banning gifted and talented programming the smartest way to do it?