What is the endgame for current attack on elite unis + international students?

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Learn history everyone

Hitler 101
Nazi's 101

When they come for me ......

MAGA dam fools. Especially minorities that voted for this shit.

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Anonymous wrote:If you read Rufo's work, his goal is to remake the elite institutions in a conservative image so they can produce a generation of right-leaning thought leaders.

Liberals had control of them for at least 50 years so conservatives should control them for the next 50 years. That sounds fair.

No you idiot.

Rufo is like Hitler what do you not understand about how horrifying that is.

Indoctrination = religion not higher ed.

Colleges are to open ones mind not close it.

This is going to destroy education for women as well. You know who props up economies women.

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The government should not mettle or try to control there’s things. We should have a free market and the top unis should be for the best of the best. If we want to be a world leader, that means best in the world. Our free market system means if there is demand, you can fill a space in the market. Conservatives have done this with University of Austin. There are plenty of places in USA universities for all - in fact - demographics point to there being a looming crisis for colleges in the USA as population of USA college age kids is now on the decline and will be. Controlling everything and isolating ourselves is not a rational solution.

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Anonymous wrote:So is the idea that you have to be a United States citizen to go to a United States institution? Because if so, I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

That is because you are a xenophobic imbecile who has no understanding of the damage this would do to this country.

It would do zero damage this country- stop being a ridiculous fear monger. Barely any foreigners came to our colleges in much of the 20th century and that was peak America. We would all be better off without having to compete w them for our universities.

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+2 When our own very high stats, hard working American kids can’t get into top 50 universities it is a problem. Fill our schools with smart Americans. Why is this controversial?

I hate Trump with all of my being. I just checked my kids’ schools and they’re 10% or less international students. That doesn’t seem too high, but I understand that it could be higher at other schools. I’d advocate for no more than 10%. I’m guessing that being white, from Northern Virginia and having college-educated parents is what has impacted my kids’ applications.

I too think <10% feels about right. Some universities it's more in the range of 20-30% and this is the number (I think) people have a problem with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Learn history everyone

Hitler 101
Nazi's 101

When they come for me ......

MAGA dam fools. Especially minorities that voted for this shit.

....and women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you read Rufo's work, his goal is to remake the elite institutions in a conservative image so they can produce a generation of right-leaning thought leaders.

Liberals had control of them for at least 50 years so conservatives should control them for the next 50 years. That sounds fair.

No you idiot.

Rufo is like Hitler what do you not understand about how horrifying that is.

Indoctrination = religion not higher ed.

Colleges are to open ones mind not close it.

This is going to destroy education for women as well. You know who props up economies women.

Women also prop up emotional health and the general population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The government should not mettle or try to control there’s things. We should have a free market and the top unis should be for the best of the best. If we want to be a world leader, that means best in the world. Our free market system means if there is demand, you can fill a space in the market. Conservatives have done this with University of Austin. There are plenty of places in USA universities for all - in fact - demographics point to there being a looming crisis for colleges in the USA as population of USA college age kids is now on the decline and will be. Controlling everything and isolating ourselves is not a rational solution.

There needs to be boundaries. If they take tax money, I think it's fair to have that money go to Americans. Fully funded internationals welcome at <10%. This is not what is actually happening though, hence the sentiment here.

Unfortunately this administration will probably kick the foreigners out and reduce funding because there are fewer student. I just don't see them making smart decisions in that space. That said, yes reduce the number of foreigners and keep the same funding and parameters around that money being used for Americans.

[Anonymous]

We arrested a gang of Chinese students for stealing our research at our Div 1 Research facility. The head Chinese woman had been doing this for years and I believe she was paid by China. The theft made national news.

This Chinese female student had a ring of people stealing for her.

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Anonymous wrote:We arrested a gang of Chinese students for stealing our research at our Div 1 Research facility. The head Chinese woman had been doing this for years and I believe she was paid by China. The theft made national news.

This Chinese female student had a ring of people stealing for her.

Sadly, this type of government sponsored spying by China is prolific. Same with North Korea and many come via China.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

Citation from a reputable source? Plus, we are talking about universities, not 4 year colleges, technical schools, community colleges, etc.

I disagree with the bolded. My tax dollars in the university system should go ENTIRELY to Americans and I will advocate for that and vote my conscience every time.

Best hope you or a loved one don't get cancer or other disease and the best treatment was developed in the lab of a foreign born principal investigator and mixed-birth researchers. Idiot. DARWIN applauds you. Stay proud as you let them die.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7489249/

Your link perfectly illustrates what I was saying. Immigrants come here and take American students spots in American tax supported universities. Then they go on to get plumb jobs instead of Americans. Then they make the breakthroughs that Americans have traditionally made and will continue to make given more opportunities for Americans. Perfect illustration of what people are talking about.

Do you ever say that a star high school basketball player should be given the same chance as Kobe? No? It’s because you know that there is genius and not everyone is equal. The same is absolutely true of scientific researchers. Sure some Americans are going to rise to the top. But we are less than 5% of the world population. Our “brain drain” policies have concentrated really smart people in the US - through our university system. It is the heart of the US innovation system.

10% of undergrads are foreign. And those kids are for the most part not being subsidized by the US taxpayer. What those kids are doing is making ten value of the elite school undergrad degree more prestigious for all that have it. It does mean that 10% fewer Americans get in.

Grad school and govt funded research is a whole other thing. We don’t have enough US STEM students interested in going on to PhDs. So we get foreign students. And we also try to get the cream of the crop. The whole enterprise is about to collapse by the twin attacks on university research and international student visas. We want to kill US innovation and encourage US trained scientists to leave the US? Couldn’t have developed a better plan. And who is rejoicing? China - who has been mad about the brain drain to the US for a long time. But also our allies are hoping to scoop up talent. So so short sighted.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

Citation from a reputable source? Plus, we are talking about universities, not 4 year colleges, technical schools, community colleges, etc.

I disagree with the bolded. My tax dollars in the university system should go ENTIRELY to Americans and I will advocate for that and vote my conscience every time.

Best hope you or a loved one don't get cancer or other disease and the best treatment was developed in the lab of a foreign born principal investigator and mixed-birth researchers. Idiot. DARWIN applauds you. Stay proud as you let them die.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7489249/

Your link perfectly illustrates what I was saying. Immigrants come here and take American students spots in American tax supported universities. Then they go on to get plumb jobs instead of Americans. Then they make the breakthroughs that Americans have traditionally made and will continue to make given more opportunities for Americans. Perfect illustration of what people are talking about.

Do you ever say that a star high school basketball player should be given the same chance as Kobe? No? It’s because you know that there is genius and not everyone is equal. The same is absolutely true of scientific researchers. Sure some Americans are going to rise to the top. But we are less than 5% of the world population. Our “brain drain” policies have concentrated really smart people in the US - through our university system. It is the heart of the US innovation system.

10% of undergrads are foreign. And those kids are for the most part not being subsidized by the US taxpayer. What those kids are doing is making ten value of the elite school undergrad degree more prestigious for all that have it. It does mean that 10% fewer Americans get in.

Grad school and govt funded research is a whole other thing. We don’t have enough US STEM students interested in going on to PhDs. So we get foreign students. And we also try to get the cream of the crop. The whole enterprise is about to collapse by the twin attacks on university research and international student visas. We want to kill US innovation and encourage US trained scientists to leave the US? Couldn’t have developed a better plan. And who is rejoicing? China - who has been mad about the brain drain to the US for a long time. But also our allies are hoping to scoop up talent. So so short sighted.

We don't need to be the world's garbage can full of genius sociopaths, like Musk. We have plenty of American geniuses to fill the funnel and only 1% of those are sociopaths.

[Anonymous]

Government pulled another 1 billion dollars from Harvard.

I wish they would pull ALL 9 billions already.

[Anonymous]

The end game is quite simple. Universities will continue to maintain their share of international students. However free tuition and easy visas for students from anti-Semitic countries is over. Full pay students with high academic achievements will replace them.

Private universities will receive lower federal funding (hopefully going down to zero). $50Bn Harvard Corporation & fat cats like Obama will yell "assault on free speech" or "what about cancer research" as they fabricate moral cover to hide past efforts to privatize profit and pass costs to the public. This will fall on deaf ears, and will force universities to cut the fat and leverage technology including AI for new methods of teaching.

DCUM will still be rearranging lists of T20 because as we all know T21 is just not good enough.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, the point of most public services is to serve the actual public in question. Which in the case of American universities is presumably American students. It does become outrageous and concerning when universities start primarily catering to foreigners over the native populace, and college/university transforms from a genuine effort to educate the population and turns into a for-profit "get your citizenship here" feeder program

Absolutely. And why did this happen:

The total number of international students in American universities for the specified years, based on available data, is as follows:
• 1995: 452,635
• 2000: 514,723
• 2005: 564,766
• 2010: 723,277
• 2015: 1,043,839
• 2020: 914,095
• 2023: 1,057,188

That's bananas

Is there data that shows this info as a percentage of college student population? College population has also grown over this period, and there is a population burst (which I think is about to end after high school class of 2026 or maybe 2027). So some of a growth in raw numbers may be attributable to other factors.

Curious why you’re going out of your way to make so many excuses rather than just admit yes this may be problematic.

DP
I think it is bananas that we have so many foreigners here. However as a data analyst, I'd have to see these numbers normalized to the university population for them to be meaningful.

5% of the total college student pop is foreign. That is not a bananas number, PP. All countries have international students, and the US is certainly not an outlier in this regard.

Universities are here to educate humans, wherever they come from. Obviously they will serve more locals than people from far-flung locales, and that's OK. BTW, all countries subsidize their universities. So American students who are educated abroad benefit from government support in that country!

Citation from a reputable source? Plus, we are talking about universities, not 4 year colleges, technical schools, community colleges, etc.

I disagree with the bolded. My tax dollars in the university system should go ENTIRELY to Americans and I will advocate for that and vote my conscience every time.

Best hope you or a loved one don't get cancer or other disease and the best treatment was developed in the lab of a foreign born principal investigator and mixed-birth researchers. Idiot. DARWIN applauds you. Stay proud as you let them die.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7489249/

Your link perfectly illustrates what I was saying. Immigrants come here and take American students spots in American tax supported universities. Then they go on to get plumb jobs instead of Americans. Then they make the breakthroughs that Americans have traditionally made and will continue to make given more opportunities for Americans. Perfect illustration of what people are talking about.

Do you ever say that a star high school basketball player should be given the same chance as Kobe? No? It’s because you know that there is genius and not everyone is equal. The same is absolutely true of scientific researchers. Sure some Americans are going to rise to the top. But we are less than 5% of the world population. Our “brain drain” policies have concentrated really smart people in the US - through our university system. It is the heart of the US innovation system.

10% of undergrads are foreign. And those kids are for the most part not being subsidized by the US taxpayer. What those kids are doing is making ten value of the elite school undergrad degree more prestigious for all that have it. It does mean that 10% fewer Americans get in.

Grad school and govt funded research is a whole other thing. We don’t have enough US STEM students interested in going on to PhDs. So we get foreign students. And we also try to get the cream of the crop. The whole enterprise is about to collapse by the twin attacks on university research and international student visas. We want to kill US innovation and encourage US trained scientists to leave the US? Couldn’t have developed a better plan. And who is rejoicing? China - who has been mad about the brain drain to the US for a long time. But also our allies are hoping to scoop up talent. So so short sighted.

This !!!!

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Anonymous wrote:If you read Rufo's work, his goal is to remake the elite institutions in a conservative image so they can produce a generation of right-leaning thought leaders.

Liberals had control of them for at least 50 years so conservatives should control them for the next 50 years. That sounds fair.

No you idiot.

Rufo is like Hitler what do you not understand about how horrifying that is.

Indoctrination = religion not higher ed.

Colleges are to open ones mind not close it.

This is going to destroy education for women as well. You know who props up economies women.

Liberals are really very open minded except

1. DEI - whose merits/issues cannot be debated. Anyone who has an issue with DEI is racist or worse.

2. ESG - same as above, cannot be debated. Anyone who things otherwise, does not believe in science. No discussion needed.

3. Gender - any issues of equality cannot be debated. Anyone who does is an incel.

4. Immigration - if anyone supports protecting the borders means they are a racist.

5. Trump - No discussion needed, one needs to automatically melt into hysterics.

We do deserve Trump. We really do, just to cure us of extreme thinking. He is showing us what it looks like. Just from the other side.