T20 Universities list predictions

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

So many of these schools listed these days just seem so blah. I mean most weren't even top 40 when I went to college.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between Top 20 and Top 25 is not meaningful. In fact, most rankings talk about the Top 25, so it’s a little curious why OP chose to make this thread about the Top 20. My guess is that OP is one of a small number or perhaps THE one who starts these contentious ranking threads. In time, they always devolve into the same arguments: 1) some Ivies are not REAL Ivies; 2) Columbia and Chicago are not as good as other top-rated schools; 3) schools ranked 14-25 are unworthy; 4) UVA is overrated, racist, and unknown outside Virginia; 5) tech-focused schools are going to rise in the rankings at the expense of many others. When you see these themes pounded again and again, they are the same poster. The point of this thread being Top 20 is to exclude UVA as a top school and then to call supporters “boosters and strivers.” These are common code words of this highly repetitive poster. Basically, the ranking threads are troll posts hoping to stir the pot and create animosity towards certain schools. Don’t fall for it.

T20 is typical reference for ranking of schools. T25 is seldom used.

People just naturally think in the multiples of 10.
If you look at the colleges list T25 makes much more sense.

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Then why is law school referred to t14?

T20 makes sense because that’s the historical cut off before you hit the first publics

Exactly my point. T14 makes sense becasue substantial gap between 14th and 15th, but not much between 13th and 14th.

Not much gap between current T20 and schools like Emory Georgetown CMU USC etc.

However there's gap between these and other T30 schools like Wake Forest, UF, UCSB, UNC

So T25 make much more sense.

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between Top 20 and Top 25 is not meaningful. In fact, most rankings talk about the Top 25, so it’s a little curious why OP chose to make this thread about the Top 20. My guess is that OP is one of a small number or perhaps THE one who starts these contentious ranking threads. In time, they always devolve into the same arguments: 1) some Ivies are not REAL Ivies; 2) Columbia and Chicago are not as good as other top-rated schools; 3) schools ranked 14-25 are unworthy; 4) UVA is overrated, racist, and unknown outside Virginia; 5) tech-focused schools are going to rise in the rankings at the expense of many others. When you see these themes pounded again and again, they are the same poster. The point of this thread being Top 20 is to exclude UVA as a top school and then to call supporters “boosters and strivers.” These are common code words of this highly repetitive poster. Basically, the ranking threads are troll posts hoping to stir the pot and create animosity towards certain schools. Don’t fall for it.

T20 is typical reference for ranking of schools. T25 is seldom used.

People just naturally think in the multiples of 10.
If you look at the colleges list T25 makes much more sense.

No

Then why is law school referred to t14?

T20 makes sense because that’s the historical cut off before you hit the first publics

Exactly my point. T14 makes sense becasue substantial gap between 14th and 15th, but not much between 13th and 14th.

Not much gap between current T20 and schools like Emory Georgetown CMU USC etc.

However there's gap between these and other T30 schools like Wake Forest, UF, UCSB, UNC

So T25 make much more sense.

Sincere question: what metrics are you using to make this assertion? What data, or subjective program ratings, or ...?

For example, this forum taught me about the Poets and Quants site, and within that I learned a lot I didn't know specifically about business programs and ranking methodology (they're as scientific about that process as any endeavor I've seen). I'm also vaguely aware of how performance music programs are evaluated (Julliard, Berklee, etc).

So again, explain how to arrived at the conclusion that there's not much difference between a Vanderbilt (#14) and Georgetown (#23), while there is a substantial difference between a Tufts (#29) and a Georgetown (#23)

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between Top 20 and Top 25 is not meaningful. In fact, most rankings talk about the Top 25, so it’s a little curious why OP chose to make this thread about the Top 20. My guess is that OP is one of a small number or perhaps THE one who starts these contentious ranking threads. In time, they always devolve into the same arguments: 1) some Ivies are not REAL Ivies; 2) Columbia and Chicago are not as good as other top-rated schools; 3) schools ranked 14-25 are unworthy; 4) UVA is overrated, racist, and unknown outside Virginia; 5) tech-focused schools are going to rise in the rankings at the expense of many others. When you see these themes pounded again and again, they are the same poster. The point of this thread being Top 20 is to exclude UVA as a top school and then to call supporters “boosters and strivers.” These are common code words of this highly repetitive poster. Basically, the ranking threads are troll posts hoping to stir the pot and create animosity towards certain schools. Don’t fall for it.

T20 is typical reference for ranking of schools. T25 is seldom used.

People just naturally think in the multiples of 10.
If you look at the colleges list T25 makes much more sense.

No

Then why is law school referred to t14?

T20 makes sense because that’s the historical cut off before you hit the first publics

Exactly my point. T14 makes sense becasue substantial gap between 14th and 15th, but not much between 13th and 14th.

Not much gap between current T20 and schools like Emory Georgetown CMU USC etc.

However there's gap between these and other T30 schools like Wake Forest, UF, UCSB, UNC

So T25 make much more sense.

Sincere question: what metrics are you using to make this assertion? What data, or subjective program ratings, or ...?

For example, this forum taught me about the Poets and Quants site, and within that I learned a lot I didn't know specifically about business programs and ranking methodology (they're as scientific about that process as any endeavor I've seen). I'm also vaguely aware of how performance music programs are evaluated (Julliard, Berklee, etc).

So again, explain how to arrived at the conclusion that there's not much difference between a Vanderbilt (#14) and Georgetown (#23), while there is a substantial difference between a Tufts (#29) and a Georgetown (#23)

Schools like Tufts and UVA are solid T30 schools, but not T25 looking at the last several years of history.
This is not an exact science but for references.

Does T20 ever made sense to you then?
Harvard and UCLA are not at the same level either.
Just that T25 seems to be better reference point than T20

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between Top 20 and Top 25 is not meaningful. In fact, most rankings talk about the Top 25, so it’s a little curious why OP chose to make this thread about the Top 20. My guess is that OP is one of a small number or perhaps THE one who starts these contentious ranking threads. In time, they always devolve into the same arguments: 1) some Ivies are not REAL Ivies; 2) Columbia and Chicago are not as good as other top-rated schools; 3) schools ranked 14-25 are unworthy; 4) UVA is overrated, racist, and unknown outside Virginia; 5) tech-focused schools are going to rise in the rankings at the expense of many others. When you see these themes pounded again and again, they are the same poster. The point of this thread being Top 20 is to exclude UVA as a top school and then to call supporters “boosters and strivers.” These are common code words of this highly repetitive poster. Basically, the ranking threads are troll posts hoping to stir the pot and create animosity towards certain schools. Don’t fall for it.

T20 is typical reference for ranking of schools. T25 is seldom used.

People just naturally think in the multiples of 10.
If you look at the colleges list T25 makes much more sense.

No

Then why is law school referred to t14?

T20 makes sense because that’s the historical cut off before you hit the first publics

Exactly my point. T14 makes sense becasue substantial gap between 14th and 15th, but not much between 13th and 14th.

Not much gap between current T20 and schools like Emory Georgetown CMU USC etc.

However there's gap between these and other T30 schools like Wake Forest, UF, UCSB, UNC

So T25 make much more sense.

Sincere question: what metrics are you using to make this assertion? What data, or subjective program ratings, or ...?

For example, this forum taught me about the Poets and Quants site, and within that I learned a lot I didn't know specifically about business programs and ranking methodology (they're as scientific about that process as any endeavor I've seen). I'm also vaguely aware of how performance music programs are evaluated (Julliard, Berklee, etc).

So again, explain how to arrived at the conclusion that there's not much difference between a Vanderbilt (#14) and Georgetown (#23), while there is a substantial difference between a Tufts (#29) and a Georgetown (#23)

Of course there is not necessarily any more substantive difference between a 29 and 24 than 24 and 20. Especially when you account for the fact that some of the metrics for the usnwr ranking are factors you may not value. (I think those charts a poster pasted another thread, for example rankings balancing selectivity and yield were interesting, for example). But at aome points either you care about rankings or you don’t, and for those who do a rank of 20 is probably significantly different than the 29.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

So many of these schools listed these days just seem so blah. I mean most weren't even top 40 when I went to college.

It's always 1985 on DCUM...

[Anonymous]

I agree, T-25 makes more sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

You're a moron. There is more than 1 ranking. Using USnews as the only ranking to qualify prestige is stupid especially since they don't rank LACs. For instance USC is 27 on USnews but 19 on Times. While Notre Dame is 19 on USnews and 36 on Times. So why should ND be considered a top school if USC is not? There's 5 undergrad rankings, they all should be taken into consideration not just 1.
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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

You're a moron. There is more than 1 ranking. Using USnews as the only ranking to qualify prestige is stupid especially since they don't rank LACs. For instance USC is 27 on USnews but 19 on Times. While Notre Dame is 19 on USnews and 36 on Times. So why should ND be considered a top school if USC is not? There's 5 undergrad rankings, they all should be taken into consideration not just 1.
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Basically agree but USNWR does rank LACs, just on a separate list. I like to compare with WSJ which does a combined ranking list. But that further supports your point, in that it is one more list to consult which won’t maych exactly with any other.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

So many of these schools listed these days just seem so blah. I mean most weren't even top 40 when I went to college.

Not true at all. Prestige is extremely sticky. Most of the top schools today were top schools decades ago (if not centuries ago).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

You're a moron. There is more than 1 ranking. Using USnews as the only ranking to qualify prestige is stupid especially since they don't rank LACs. For instance USC is 27 on USnews but 19 on Times. While Notre Dame is 19 on USnews and 36 on Times. So why should ND be considered a top school if USC is not? There's 5 undergrad rankings, they all should be taken into consideration not just 1.
.

I have one kid in USC and one kid in ND, so I'll pick and choose better number from each LOL
However, USN&WR seems more reasonable for undergraduate.
Overall I would consider ND a T20 school and USC a T25 school.
Overall ranking is just for an initial reference, specific program and fit is more important.

For my kid 1 USC is definitely a better school, and for kid 2 ND is definitely a better school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top 20 is nebulous. It's not exactly the top 20 on USnews and there's other rankings out there. And yes that does include the the rest of the top 25 and LACs. T20 has always been more of a slang term that encompasses more than 20 schools.

This is what people from schools that are not ranked in the top 20 always say lol.

You're a moron. There is more than 1 ranking. Using USnews as the only ranking to qualify prestige is stupid especially since they don't rank LACs. For instance USC is 27 on USnews but 19 on Times. While Notre Dame is 19 on USnews and 36 on Times. So why should ND be considered a top school if USC is not? There's 5 undergrad rankings, they all should be taken into consideration not just 1.
.

I have one kid in USC and one kid in ND, so I'll pick and choose better number from each LOL
However, USN&WR seems more reasonable for undergraduate.
Overall I would consider ND a T20 school and USC a T25 school.
Overall ranking is just for an initial reference, specific program and fit is more important.

For my kid 1 USC is definitely a better school, and for kid 2 ND is definitely a better school.

That's why rankings are so flawed. Ultimately, you're a moron if you pick a T20 schools solely on it's overall ranking. Much more important to pick by desired major, ability/ease to transfer to other majors, FIT for your kid (if kid loves the school and is excited and fits in, they will just do so much better in the long run), graduation rate, job placement, grad school placement, med school placement (there are smaller not T20 schools that place 85-90% of their students in med school the first year---that matters much more than attending a T20 school if your ultimate goal is med school), NCLEX pass rates if you plan to be nurse, and so many other things. Go where your kid finds their best fit. If it's a T30-50 school they are all amazing schools, but each has it's strengths and weaknesses. Kids do transfer out of Columbia, MIT, Harvard, etc...those are not perfect schools for everyone (and there are ones who stay but are not happy with their choice)

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Honestly it should be t15….

Under that you start getting “spiky” school….

Nd…Catholics
Vandy…sundresses
Emory, rice…south
CMU (I like CMU a lot)….tech, poor QoL, Pittsburgh meh
Gtown….shitty endowment, shitty facilities, kids don’t like it, great public/social science sector programs

The rough t15 are schools that are just straight up strong and have resources and provenance

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference between Top 20 and Top 25 is not meaningful. In fact, most rankings talk about the Top 25, so it’s a little curious why OP chose to make this thread about the Top 20. My guess is that OP is one of a small number or perhaps THE one who starts these contentious ranking threads. In time, they always devolve into the same arguments: 1) some Ivies are not REAL Ivies; 2) Columbia and Chicago are not as good as other top-rated schools; 3) schools ranked 14-25 are unworthy; 4) UVA is overrated, racist, and unknown outside Virginia; 5) tech-focused schools are going to rise in the rankings at the expense of many others. When you see these themes pounded again and again, they are the same poster. The point of this thread being Top 20 is to exclude UVA as a top school and then to call supporters “boosters and strivers.” These are common code words of this highly repetitive poster. Basically, the ranking threads are troll posts hoping to stir the pot and create animosity towards certain schools. Don’t fall for it.

T20 is typical reference for ranking of schools. T25 is seldom used.

People just naturally think in the multiples of 10.
If you look at the colleges list T25 makes much more sense.

No




Then why is law school referred to t14?

T20 makes sense because that’s the historical cut off before you hit the first publics

Exactly my point. T14 makes sense becasue substantial gap between 14th and 15th, but not much between 13th and 14th.

Not much gap between current T20 and schools like Emory Georgetown CMU USC etc.

However there's gap between these and other T30 schools like Wake Forest, UF, UCSB, UNC

So T25 make much more sense.

Sincere question: what metrics are you using to make this assertion? What data, or subjective program ratings, or ...?

For example, this forum taught me about the Poets and Quants site, and within that I learned a lot I didn't know specifically about business programs and ranking methodology (they're as scientific about that process as any endeavor I've seen). I'm also vaguely aware of how performance music programs are evaluated (Julliard, Berklee, etc).

So again, explain how to arrived at the conclusion that there's not much difference between a Vanderbilt (#14) and Georgetown (#23), while there is a substantial difference between a Tufts (#29) and a Georgetown (#23)

Schools like Tufts and UVA are solid T30 schools, but not T25 looking at the last several years of history.
This is not an exact science but for references.

Does T20 ever made sense to you then?
Harvard and UCLA are not at the same level either.
Just that T25 seems to be better reference point than T20

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Nevertheless UVA is rated 25 amongst all schools -
And no 2,3, 4 for all US public schools. Year after year after year. USNWR