Did Ellen Greenberg’s fiancé kill her?

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Anonymous wrote:Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915

This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.

How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen.

The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done.

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously.

Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.

The fact that half of the stab wounds were to the back of her head and neck, including severing her spinal cord, would lead most people to be skeptical of the suicide ruling. She also had older bruises that were in the process of healing. She was seeing a therapist for anxiety, and her therapist stated she never expressed suicidal ideation. She told her parents she wanted to move home; the most dangerous time for an abused woman is when she tries to leave.

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Anonymous wrote:Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915

This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.

How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen.

The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done.

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously.

Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.

We hat will say anything for $$$$$

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Anonymous wrote:Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915

This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.

How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen.

The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done.

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously.

Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.

WECHT will say anything for $$$$$

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915

This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.

How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen.

The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done.

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously.

Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.

I’m extremely familiar with the facts of the death and aftermath over the years. I’m also an attorney in Pa and I know that even well know ln “renowned” experts are paid all the time for expert opinions. It’s shameful.

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Anonymous wrote:Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915

This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.

How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen.

The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done.

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously.

Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.

WECHT will say anything for $$$$$

Exactly!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915

This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.

How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen.

The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done.

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously.

Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.

I’m extremely familiar with the facts of the death and aftermath over the years. I’m also an attorney in Pa and I know that even well know ln “renowned” experts are paid all the time for expert opinions. It’s shameful.

And the fact that the original medical examiner changed his ruling?

[Anonymous]

The paid expert options are meaningless. And I would hope to hod my husband would break the door down in the same situation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915

This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.

How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen.

The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done.

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously.

Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.

The fact that half of the stab wounds were to the back of her head and neck, including severing her spinal cord, would lead most people to be skeptical of the suicide ruling. She also had older bruises that were in the process of healing. She was seeing a therapist for anxiety, and her therapist stated she never expressed suicidal ideation. She told her parents she wanted to move home; the most dangerous time for an abused woman is when she tries to leave.

There was absolutely no evidence of DA. The therapist also said that Ellen lit up when talking about her fiance and had only glowing things to say about him and the support he provided to her

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915

This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.

How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen.

The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done.

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously.

Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.

The fact that half of the stab wounds were to the back of her head and neck, including severing her spinal cord, would lead most people to be skeptical of the suicide ruling. She also had older bruises that were in the process of healing. She was seeing a therapist for anxiety, and her therapist stated she never expressed suicidal ideation. She told her parents she wanted to move home; the most dangerous time for an abused woman is when she tries to leave.

This. It’s also plain from the voicemails he left her right before the death that he had serious anger issues. I’ve never received messages like that from a partner. His timeline is also very suspicious. I definitely think he did it.

[Anonymous]

Ellen had searched for suicide in the weeks before. She was suffering from severe and crippling anxiety and didn’t want to keep her job. That is why she wanted to come home to her parents. Her father and finance both kept encouraging her not to quit her job. Sad all around.

[Anonymous]

Poor girl killed herself. And poor finance had had to live with this hanging over him for almost 15 years

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ruled a suicide again. I don't see how that is remotely possible.

https://people.com/ellen-greenberg-death-ruled-suicide-again-11828915

This case is bizarre. I don’t trust the medical examiner’s office. I’m so sad for her family. They’ve fought so hard for so long, and all they’re asking for is for her death to be investigated, which it absolutely should be. The system has failed Ellen repeatedly — at someone’s direction.

How has it failed her? How many times do you think taxpayer money should go towards it being investigated only to come to the same resolution? And before you say “there should be an independent investigation”, you don’t think that will be biased? Sometimes, weird things actually happen.

The Medical Examiner’s Office has reviewed their findings. That’s the only “investigation” so far. Her death has not been investigated as a homicide because it’s been ruled a suicide. Multiple privately hired expert medical examiners disagree with the local ME’s findings. Common sense tells us that suicide sounds far fetched, and we know her fiancé engaged in highly suspicious behavior the day of and first couple days after her death. Her family wants homicide detectives to investigate the her death, which they have not done.

You can hire experts to say anything. And I disagree that her fiancé acted suspiciously.

Her death was ruled a homicide upon autopsy. Shortly afterward, the ruling was changed to suicide, thus ending a homicide investigation that was just beginning. The same employee of the ME’s Office who ruled homicide and then reversed his ruling to suicide has, in recent years, signed a statement saying he no longer believes her death was a suicide. One of the experts hired by the family is pathologist Cyril Wecht, who is one of the most renowned pathologists in the US. Dr. Wecht found that her injuries were not self inflicted.

I’m extremely familiar with the facts of the death and aftermath over the years. I’m also an attorney in Pa and I know that even well know ln “renowned” experts are paid all the time for expert opinions. It’s shameful.

And the fact that the original medical examiner changed his ruling?

He was under immense pressure and court of public opinion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ellen had searched for suicide in the weeks before. She was suffering from severe and crippling anxiety and didn’t want to keep her job. That is why she wanted to come home to her parents. Her father and finance both kept encouraging her not to quit her job. Sad all around.

She had not searched for suicide. A tech expert stated she was searching about the side effects of the medications she was taking, and those were incidental results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Poor girl killed herself. And poor finance had had to live with this hanging over him for almost 15 years

How many suicides of you heard of where a person stabbed herself in the back of her head and neck, pausing in the middle of preparing a salad to do so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The paid expert options are meaningless. And I would hope to hod my husband would break the door down in the same situation

In what situation? His fiancee wasn't answering the door right away? Wouldn't you assume they were in the shower or something?